Hello every one,
I picked up a 1994 Toyota Celica with 137,000 miles for $300 yesterday. It has what seems to be a rod knock. The owner said it has only been driven 10 miles since it started knocking. She said the engine shut off in while driving and when she started up it started knocking. I have made a youtube video of the knock.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1CnaWB_8u4I have heard that rod knock is loudest when you let off the gas. Thats what I am trying to do in the video but the noise goes away when I let it go. Also its pretty quite on idle and third gear. I am really hoping its the torque converter bolts. I took out spark plug wires one by one yesterday but the noise did not go away. Thanks.
drain the oil and check for metallic residue.
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if its rod knock, plan on needing a new rod and have the crank turned. at worst, new crank. the cylinders should be just fine.
2001 Celica GT-S Turbo1997 Supra TT 6speed1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap1990 Celica All-Trac
I just drained the oil. Passed it through a screen but no signs of metal any where. However there is a greenlish layer on top when I shine light on it. Could it be a blown head gasket leading to a bad rod bearing?
I would think blown head gasket would cause milkshake like apearance in oil. Also coolant is not low. Could just be 18 months oil breaking down.
correct. if coolant is in the oil it looks like chocolate milkshake. you might have caught the rod knock soon enough before the bearing chewes itself up. i still think pulling the engine and dissassembly is a must. dont take chances or you will be doing it all over again
2001 Celica GT-S Turbo1997 Supra TT 6speed1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap1990 Celica All-Trac
Thanks guys. I am looking considering options of either putting a used low milage engine or rebuilding this one. Used 7AFE motors are available for pretty cheap.
Anyway the crankshaft can be pulled with engine in the car?
not with the tranny in the car
flywheel needs to come off
QUOTE"And, as always, your friendship, help, and dedication to the advancement of Texas Celica dominance is GREATLY appreciated. Thanks bro." -DEATH1994 GT:V6 swap, 5speed E53 W/ LSD, All Power, now RED1995 ST:SOLD @273k miles, Auto, all power, CarPC, White1994 ST:Totaled, 5spd, all power, RedRIP 07/09/09 @ 241,8101994 Lexus LS400:This is my new DD
I dropped the oil pan. Found silver metal powder at the bottom. The noise seemed to be coming from the first cylinder next to the transmission. By dropping the pan I can see only bearing caps of only two rods. How do I get to the rods towards the transmission? Thanks.
Nevermind, I figured out I need to remove #1 oil pan too. I came across a 4AFE motor at a local junk yard for $300. Its got about 70,000 miles on it and came out of a Geo Prizm?
Any one got a list of things that need to be disconnected before the engine an be pulled out? Smaay I saw your post about rebuilding the motor. Pretty awesome stuff. I noticed the transmission was attached to the motor when you put it back. Does it need to come out when you pull the motor? I have automatic.
just start pullin stuff off that u see attaching the engine to other things of the car.
a 4afe will bolt up, but will run like ****, if at all, on the stock ecu, as its a 1.6, not a 1.8
QUOTE"And, as always, your friendship, help, and dedication to the advancement of Texas Celica dominance is GREATLY appreciated. Thanks bro." -DEATH1994 GT:V6 swap, 5speed E53 W/ LSD, All Power, now RED1995 ST:SOLD @273k miles, Auto, all power, CarPC, White1994 ST:Totaled, 5spd, all power, RedRIP 07/09/09 @ 241,8101994 Lexus LS400:This is my new DD
stephen_lee, I have read some posts about 7AFE and 4AFE having the same horse power even though size is different. I understand I might have to out a different ECU if it doesn't run well. I am just looking for a practical car, don't care about power at this point.
First question....how much would that junk yard motor cost? Second question....why not just rebuild it? Shouldn't be too expensive.
4afe 105 HP, 7afe 110 HP
junkyards will cost 300-500$ with unknown condition
rebuilds will cost ~1200-1500
theres more than just swapping out ecus. its basically the same swap as a 7afe to 4age.
QUOTE"And, as always, your friendship, help, and dedication to the advancement of Texas Celica dominance is GREATLY appreciated. Thanks bro." -DEATH1994 GT:V6 swap, 5speed E53 W/ LSD, All Power, now RED1995 ST:SOLD @273k miles, Auto, all power, CarPC, White1994 ST:Totaled, 5spd, all power, RedRIP 07/09/09 @ 241,8101994 Lexus LS400:This is my new DD
Oops I meant significant difference in horse power. From searching the forum, it seems like 4AFE is pretty much a straight drop without any mods needed. However for 4AGE, new ECU, wiring and throttle cable is needed. I want to keep the swap as simple as possible and get the car on the road. Don't care too much about some loss of power.
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showto...815&hl=4afehttp://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=43401http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showto...708&hl=4afehttp://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showto...028&hl=4afe
HP is not the disparity between the two, its the distribution of torque across the rpm band.
2000 Celica GTS 'slowest gts evar'1998 Mazda 626 FS-DE/CD4-E
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QUOTE (stephen_lee @ Mar 4, 2011 - 2:54 PM)
>4afe 105 HP, 7afe 110 HP
junkyards will cost 300-500$ with unknown condition
rebuilds will cost ~1200-1500
rebuild will not cost that much. if you do all the work yourself, it can be done for about 500 bucks. cheaply. about 800 if you replace everything like in my guide
2001 Celica GT-S Turbo1997 Supra TT 6speed1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap1990 Celica All-Trac
Bitter, I understand what you are saying but since this car has auto trans I am not sure its worth it.
Smaay, I have seen your thread butI have no experience building motors and I am not sure I can do that.
I finally dropped the no #1 oil pan today and there is a big groove in the oil pan from the #1 rod bearing cap hitting the oil pan. Cap did not feel loose though. Thats what all the metal power was from that I noticed in the oil pan. So I am guessing the engine is toast?
This post has been edited by wvuguy: Mar 7, 2011 - 9:53 AM
Well I looked at the some of the pictures on this forum and it seems like most 4AFE oil pans have this groove. Not sure there is anything worst with mine.
https://picasaweb.google.com/usmanwvu/Celic...411355877793186
Found out that two rod bearing cops towards the transmission have play in them. Looks like I will need e13 torx socket to get the bolts out. Is that correct? I don'thave it so I will get that tomorrow.
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QUOTE (Smaay @ Mar 6, 2011 - 6:53 PM)
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QUOTE (stephen_lee @ Mar 4, 2011 - 2:54 PM)
>4afe 105 HP, 7afe 110 HP
junkyards will cost 300-500$ with unknown condition
rebuilds will cost ~1200-1500
rebuild will not cost that much. if you do all the work yourself, it can be done for about 500 bucks. cheaply. about 800 if you replace everything like in my guide
total cost in the end. it may cost 500 for a rebuild kit from ebay, or 500 for beaings/seals from toyota. what about machine work? new pistons? all your fluids? special tools most of us wont have? incidentals? tune up stuff? (whos gonna rebuild an engine and put old plugs, wires, cap, rotor, oil filter.) oil/water pumps? timing belt? if you got the hook ups, or do a bare minimum build i can see sub 1000 happening. but thats best case. i've built a few motors, i know you have too. hence tooling stuff isnt our issue. we already have ring compressors, assy lube, feeler gauges, calpiers, hone maybe, plastigauge, etc...
QUOTE"And, as always, your friendship, help, and dedication to the advancement of Texas Celica dominance is GREATLY appreciated. Thanks bro." -DEATH1994 GT:V6 swap, 5speed E53 W/ LSD, All Power, now RED1995 ST:SOLD @273k miles, Auto, all power, CarPC, White1994 ST:Totaled, 5spd, all power, RedRIP 07/09/09 @ 241,8101994 Lexus LS400:This is my new DD
Can any please confirm that the rod bearing cap bolt used 13mm torx socket before I go get one? I am just curious to see how the crank looks like. Thanks.
my 7a had a 12mm 12pt socket. instead of the typical 6point
QUOTE"And, as always, your friendship, help, and dedication to the advancement of Texas Celica dominance is GREATLY appreciated. Thanks bro." -DEATH1994 GT:V6 swap, 5speed E53 W/ LSD, All Power, now RED1995 ST:SOLD @273k miles, Auto, all power, CarPC, White1994 ST:Totaled, 5spd, all power, RedRIP 07/09/09 @ 241,8101994 Lexus LS400:This is my new DD
Thats what it is. Thanks.
Finally got the bearing cap off. The bearing was almost welded to the journal and its pretty scored. So time to work towards putting used motor in.
save the block && rebuild it. i like to keep a spare
QUOTE"And, as always, your friendship, help, and dedication to the advancement of Texas Celica dominance is GREATLY appreciated. Thanks bro." -DEATH1994 GT:V6 swap, 5speed E53 W/ LSD, All Power, now RED1995 ST:SOLD @273k miles, Auto, all power, CarPC, White1994 ST:Totaled, 5spd, all power, RedRIP 07/09/09 @ 241,8101994 Lexus LS400:This is my new DD
