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Topic #78572 38 posts Started by mak5603
I received my motor a little while ago and since have been sourcing parts and getting it ready to go. Few details on the setup, it is a 3rd gen 3sgte motor set that I got thru Jim, it was the motor from his 19k mile clip. My wiring harness was extended my Phoenix Tuning. I also got a Gen 3 E153 transmission w/ LSD and necessary axles, brackets, mounts, and shift linkage for that from Jim as well. Currently much of the motor is taken apart and being cleaned up, some of it painted. I have also been buying parts like crazy for it over the past half year or so, here is what I have so far.







The E153.



Plugs, wires, cap, rotor.



Clutch Masters FX300 (Stage 3) clutch and Competition Clutch 12 lbs. light weight steel flywheel.



Valve cover gasket kit, PCV valve, Thermostat



Berk 3" Down pipe, fully loaded



Denso O2 sensor



Berk Technology Gen 3 vacuum line kit



Walbro 255



HKS SSQV 3



AEM oil pressure, UEGO wideband, and boost gauges and sandwich plate.



HKS Turbo Timer



HKS Carbon TI, plan is to have a straight pipe from my downpipe to this.



My intercooler had no cap, so I'm just going to put my stock one on the IC and throw this on the radiator.



Will put these in when I get cams, got them for a ridiculous deal. Like 100 shipped for both brand new...

Will get some pics of the painted parts when they are done drying. I peeled the "Toyota 2000 Twin Entry Turbo" Sticker off the IC and sanded it down and sprayed it with some high temp paint. I also put some of that heat shield tape under it, so hopefully it will stay cool because my Girlfriend's mom's boyfriend is airbrushing some stuff on it. So hopefully it turns out good and doesn't melt, haha.

I'll try and keep you guys updated. smile.gif

This post has been edited by mak5603: Apr 21, 2011 - 11:44 PM

2006 BMW 330i - 6 Speed - Dinan Stage 12014 Toyota Rav4 XLE
Wicked bro! I see some REALLY tasteful upgrades, can't wait to see all of it put together. Just remember, be patient and no shortcuts! Good luck bro!



-Ryan
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Can't wait to see moar!

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looks like a good start man!
i perfer cam gears with more than 3 bolt down spots, but as long as you loctite them, you should be fine, guys have been using that style for years.
looking forward to progress pics.

Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)13.6@108MPH, 5SFTE Powered
looks good man! i just did the samething trackin down parts and upgrades for almost the past year as well gettin ready to do my swap, its really exciting gettin it all together, good job so far, keep it up!

st205 powered ss3 coupe
Thanks for the support guys! I cannot wait to start making some more progress on this! Definitely not in any hurry or taking shortcuts. Making sure I do everything right and don't forget to do anything that I'm going to kick myself in the butt for later for not doing.

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QUOTE (presure2 @ Mar 23, 2011 - 11:35 AM) *
>i perfer cam gears with more than 3 bolt down spots, but as long as you loctite them, you should be fine, guys have been using that style for years.


Yeah, I honestly don't know much about cam gears. I've read some places, people install them without cams? Which seems pointless to me? I don't even know.. I plan on waiting until I get cams though. Only reason I went with these ones like I said, was I bought them from a store that was shutting down and they were trying to get rid of them for like 90 + shipping, so I figured I'd hop on em.

This post has been edited by mak5603: Mar 24, 2011 - 1:23 PM

2006 BMW 330i - 6 Speed - Dinan Stage 12014 Toyota Rav4 XLE
Hi,

i'am sorry if it is off topic but, could you have a look for me to the P/S belt what size it is?

greetz

KEEP COOL UNDER PRESSURE
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QUOTE (Sunny @ Mar 24, 2011 - 11:34 AM) *
>Hi,

i'am sorry if it is off topic but, could you have a look for me to the P/S belt what size it is?

greetz


Like, width or length?

I'll check it ASAP but I might not see my motor for a few days.

2006 BMW 330i - 6 Speed - Dinan Stage 12014 Toyota Rav4 XLE
Yup, people (including myself) have installed cam gears without instaling aftermarket cams.
You can tailor the powerband with them, guys have picked up 15whp tuning in just the exhaust cam in a genII

Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)13.6@108MPH, 5SFTE Powered
I thought I read that somewhere. Hmm, maybe I will put them on sooner than I thought.

2006 BMW 330i - 6 Speed - Dinan Stage 12014 Toyota Rav4 XLE
Hi,

there should be a number on the belt, you can also upload a picture if you want
i see the number on the picture but can't can read it

there is no need to hurry smile.gif

greetz

KEEP COOL UNDER PRESSURE
dont worry about cam gears having only 3 bolts.
If people like HKS, Gates, AEM etc only use 3, and these are the highest of reputable brands with engines making many many hundreds of kw i think they will be fine for joe average.

Must be a late model engine (being that low miles i guess so) The timing cover is different to what mine was (much neater), (not that it matters because i dont use the top one).


Some good little mods your starting off with there, Good work on the lsd box.

Gen3 have slightly better cams then gen2 so you might not get the same gain, but retarding the exhaust 3-4 deg or so should net some benifits.

ST205 Group A Rallye GT-Four, #61 of 77............600hp GT3582rGRX133 Toyota Mark X 350s
Here's my valve cover, t stat housing, heat shield, and w2a intercooler. Intercooler is sprayed with High temp paint, and going to be airbrushed on.





This post has been edited by mak5603: Apr 21, 2011 - 11:35 PM

2006 BMW 330i - 6 Speed - Dinan Stage 12014 Toyota Rav4 XLE
looks good bro! keep it up

st205 powered ss3 coupe
Just working on ordering the remaining stuff I need. I'm buying an Exedy stage 2 clutch and possibly a flywheel. I have a question for some of you, and I know this is kind of vague..but do you think daily driving is still going to be manageable with a Fidanza flywheel or should I probably just resurface my stock flywheel? I've driven light flywheels, but never on a FWD car or car with this much power, so I am kind of stuck and don't know what to do.

Another question, where are you swappers getting your hoses? Anywhere in particular? Something I gotta start keeping an eye out for.

Thanks in advanced guys!

2006 BMW 330i - 6 Speed - Dinan Stage 12014 Toyota Rav4 XLE
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QUOTE (mak5603 @ Mar 30, 2011 - 10:10 AM) *
>Just working on ordering the remaining stuff I need. I'm buying an Exedy stage 2 clutch and possibly a flywheel. I have a question for some of you, and I know this is kind of vague..but do you think daily driving is still going to be manageable with a Fidanza flywheel or should I probably just resurface my stock flywheel? I've driven light flywheels, but never on a FWD car or car with this much power, so I am kind of stuck and don't know what to do.

Another question, where are you swappers getting your hoses? Anywhere in particular? Something I gotta start keeping an eye out for.

Thanks in advanced guys!



for my swap, im just reusing the stock 3sgte flywheel and resurfacing it. i was going to get a ultra light weight flywheel but i was told by some of the motor heads its really not worth it for the money, unless your going to go big downt he road i guess. so im using the stock flywheel, thats just me.

and im reusing the 5sfe hoses as long as they are good, most of them will be reuseable, some you just have to buy some hose and make it work lol.

st205 powered ss3 coupe
Curious as to how the a/c and heater core will hook up?

1996 Toyota Celica Project Mean Green3RD Gen 3SGTE WRC Edition W/LSD E153 - Love BOOST <32001 Solar yellow Lexus IS3002001 Dodge ram 1500 Off-road edition
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QUOTE (96stgreendemon @ Mar 31, 2011 - 11:55 AM) *
>Curious as to how the a/c and heater core will hook up?

what exactly do you mean?
the heater core hoses are in the same spot st/gt/gt-4
the main AC lines in the bay are the same gt/st, just the 2 front sections are diffrent, but you can just bend the ac lines to fit.

as for the LW flywheel, to me it depends on your clutch, more than the flywheel.

if you have a heavy PP with a disk that dont like to be slipped, a LW flywheel will just exasperate that.
its manageable (i have a stage 4 comp clutch thats pretty heavy, with a fidanza), but definetly is not as easy to manage as stock.
dustin and steff have a LW flywheel, with a stock clutch, and its just great.
incredibly light pedal feel, super smooth engagement, and the quicker revs of the lw flywheel.

Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)13.6@108MPH, 5SFTE Powered
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QUOTE (Ted95 @ Mar 31, 2011 - 6:54 AM) *
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QUOTE (mak5603 @ Mar 30, 2011 - 10:10 AM) *
>Just working on ordering the remaining stuff I need. I'm buying an Exedy stage 2 clutch and possibly a flywheel. I have a question for some of you, and I know this is kind of vague..but do you think daily driving is still going to be manageable with a Fidanza flywheel or should I probably just resurface my stock flywheel? I've driven light flywheels, but never on a FWD car or car with this much power, so I am kind of stuck and don't know what to do.

Another question, where are you swappers getting your hoses? Anywhere in particular? Something I gotta start keeping an eye out for.

Thanks in advanced guys!



for my swap, im just reusing the stock 3sgte flywheel and resurfacing it. i was going to get a ultra light weight flywheel but i was told by some of the motor heads its really not worth it for the money, unless your going to go big downt he road i guess. so im using the stock flywheel, thats just me.

and im reusing the 5sfe hoses as long as they are good, most of them will be reuseable, some you just have to buy some hose and make it work lol.


Yeah, I should have specified. I was more talking Samco or other silicon hoses, there are a couple that I need. I can reuse a few. I changed my clutch decision, so that may change my ultimate flywheel decision as well. We'll see by the end of the day, haha.

2006 BMW 330i - 6 Speed - Dinan Stage 12014 Toyota Rav4 XLE
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QUOTE (mak5603 @ Mar 31, 2011 - 2:10 PM) *
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QUOTE (Ted95 @ Mar 31, 2011 - 6:54 AM) *
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QUOTE (mak5603 @ Mar 30, 2011 - 10:10 AM) *
>Just working on ordering the remaining stuff I need. I'm buying an Exedy stage 2 clutch and possibly a flywheel. I have a question for some of you, and I know this is kind of vague..but do you think daily driving is still going to be manageable with a Fidanza flywheel or should I probably just resurface my stock flywheel? I've driven light flywheels, but never on a FWD car or car with this much power, so I am kind of stuck and don't know what to do.

Another question, where are you swappers getting your hoses? Anywhere in particular? Something I gotta start keeping an eye out for.

Thanks in advanced guys!



for my swap, im just reusing the stock 3sgte flywheel and resurfacing it. i was going to get a ultra light weight flywheel but i was told by some of the motor heads its really not worth it for the money, unless your going to go big downt he road i guess. so im using the stock flywheel, thats just me.

and im reusing the 5sfe hoses as long as they are good, most of them will be reuseable, some you just have to buy some hose and make it work lol.


Yeah, I should have specified. I was more talking Samco or other silicon hoses, there are a couple that I need. I can reuse a few. I changed my clutch decision, so that may change my ultimate flywheel decision as well. We'll see by the end of the day, haha.


ya i tried looking up a new 3sgte hose kit, like brand new factory hoses but i couldnt find them.. unless someone else knows where i can get them?

st205 powered ss3 coupe
You can get the rad hoses off eBay.
Berk technology sells a high quality silicone hose kit for the mr2 that uses the same size hoses (umm yes....because it's the same engine) for all of the smaller ones.

Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)13.6@108MPH, 5SFTE Powered
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QUOTE (presure2 @ Mar 31, 2011 - 6:52 PM) *
>You can get the rad hoses off eBay.
Berk technology sells a high quality silicone hose kit for the mr2 that uses the same size hoses (umm yes....because it's the same engine) for all of the smaller ones.


Yeah, I knew about the radiator hoses, but that is exactly what I was looking for as far as the other ones go. Funny because I looked at Berk's site and after I didn't see anything under the MR2 stuff, I didn't bother checking the vacuum line section *facepalm*. Thank you, going to order that set tonight. smile.gif

2006 BMW 330i - 6 Speed - Dinan Stage 12014 Toyota Rav4 XLE
Ordered some more stuff..

Now it's time for my ultimate clutch / flywheel decision. After weighing my options for literally months, and changing my mind over 5-10 times, I think I know what I want. My number one goal is to pick a setup that will be fun, but easily daily able. My goal is to daily the 3s celi. So with that said, I originally wanted to go with an ACT 6 puck, Fidanza flywheel, then Exedy stage 1 Fidanza flywheel. But the first option was too "non street" for me, and the second was stretching the limits of the max torque capacity of the clutch with my 3s, which I don't want for obvious reasons. Then I got to thinking, I don't even want an 8lb. flywheel. I than found a 12 pound steel flywheel, which I would way rather have (I have read stories where aluminum flywheels can do bad things under high heat, mainly after track use) from Competition Clutch. They also offer a Stage 2 clutch, both items go hand in hand and are recomeded for higher hp street applications.

So I think I am going to try out the Competition Clutch Stage 2 clutch and Competition Clutch Light (Not ultra light) Steel Flywheel. What you guys think?

2006 BMW 330i - 6 Speed - Dinan Stage 12014 Toyota Rav4 XLE
Thats actually the clutch kit im looking at for when i swap, i believe tweak sells them, but wouldnt it just be the same as a clutch set up from the MR2 turbo?

1996 Toyota Celica Project Mean Green3RD Gen 3SGTE WRC Edition W/LSD E153 - Love BOOST <32001 Solar yellow Lexus IS3002001 Dodge ram 1500 Off-road edition
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QUOTE (96stgreendemon @ Apr 3, 2011 - 1:35 PM) *
>Thats actually the clutch kit im looking at for when i swap, i believe tweak sells them, but wouldnt it just be the same as a clutch set up from the MR2 turbo?


I know the flywheel is the same. For my swap the clutch is the same as Mr2 because I am using an e153.

2006 BMW 330i - 6 Speed - Dinan Stage 12014 Toyota Rav4 XLE
I am running a comp clutch I got thru tweak.
I won't run another.
Pedal feel is horrible(ie: very heavy), totally sucks for daily driving, and is very on/off, even after almost 2 years. It also feels like it's starting to slip a little when I go 3rd gear pulls on the highway @ high boost (19-20psi) which is ~ 320whp or so. The only good point of that clutch was it was cheap. like almost 100$ cheaper than what I was going to get at the time.
the next clutch I buy will be a clutchmasters. I'll definitely spend the extra money.
My cousin has a stage 4 unsprung that has better engagement and lighter pedal feel than both the comp I'm running, and the act hd pp.
I've driven several different setups over the years,(act, spec, centerforce, competition) the centerforce was is by far the best one Ive felt so far, especially since it's got great pedal feel, and can still hold 400ft lbs all day.
And yea if your running the E153, any mr2t or alltrac clutch will bolt on.

Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)13.6@108MPH, 5SFTE Powered
nice, I'm doing the same swap

This post has been edited by match220: Apr 4, 2011 - 2:16 PM

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QUOTE (presure2 @ Apr 3, 2011 - 3:51 PM) *
>I am running a comp clutch I got thru tweak.
I won't run another.
Pedal feel is horrible(ie: very heavy), totally sucks for daily driving, and is very on/off, even after almost 2 years. It also feels like it's starting to slip a little when I go 3rd gear pulls on the highway @ high boost (19-20psi) which is ~ 320whp or so. The only good point of that clutch was it was cheap. like almost 100$ cheaper than what I was going to get at the time.
the next clutch I buy will be a clutchmasters. I'll definitely spend the extra money.
My cousin has a stage 4 unsprung that has better engagement and lighter pedal feel than both the comp I'm running, and the act hd pp.
I've driven several different setups over the years,(act, spec, centerforce, competition) the centerforce was is by far the best one Ive felt so far, especially since it's got great pedal feel, and can still hold 400ft lbs all day.
And yea if your running the E153, any mr2t or alltrac clutch will bolt on.


Not what I like to hear and definitely not the first time I've heard such complaints. kindasad.gif Looks like that clutch is out of the picture for me now. I still like the flywheel, but now I'm back to looking for a good street clutch.

2006 BMW 330i - 6 Speed - Dinan Stage 12014 Toyota Rav4 XLE
More boring stuff came in this week that I will be putting on.

I repainted my valve cover a glossier red.

Last but not least I officially ordered my clutch and flywheel. Went with Clutch Masters FX300 (Stage 3) clutch and Competition Clutch lightweight steel 12 pound flywheel. Now I'm just waiting for those things to come in and I should be just about ready to go. smile.gif

2006 BMW 330i - 6 Speed - Dinan Stage 12014 Toyota Rav4 XLE