Over 1M Posts • 84K Topics • 9K Authors

3sgte swap/ still no spark?? - 6G Celicas Forums

Topic #78632 47 posts Started by injection
>
QUOTE (Stambo @ Mar 27, 2011 - 6:36 PM) *
>so looks like either something with the ecu or dizzy. Correct? The injectors won't pulse unless having a signal from the dizzy.


Does dizzy stand for distributer.....sorry, had to ask, is that what you mean though, if so Brenton told memto replace it, can't I just replace the pick-up coil inside, or should I just get a whole new one.
>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 27, 2011 - 6:59 PM) *
>>
QUOTE (Stambo @ Mar 27, 2011 - 6:36 PM) *
>so looks like either something with the ecu or dizzy. Correct? The injectors won't pulse unless having a signal from the dizzy.


Does dizzy stand for distributer.....sorry, had to ask, is that what you mean though, if so Brenton told memto replace it, can't I just replace the pick-up coil inside, or should I just get a whole new one.


I will say this to you guys, I had spark before harness was sent out........I get harness back 2 months later, and now no spark.....think that's why it makes this so much more confusing, because it's hard to believe a part would just go on my car in that time the harness was gone, I guess it's because of coinsidence, that I'm suspect of the harness, cause the car would barely roll over twice before firing, now nothing????????
>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 27, 2011 - 6:12 PM) *
>>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 27, 2011 - 6:59 PM) *
>>
QUOTE (Stambo @ Mar 27, 2011 - 6:36 PM) *
>so looks like either something with the ecu or dizzy. Correct? The injectors won't pulse unless having a signal from the dizzy.


Does dizzy stand for distributer.....sorry, had to ask, is that what you mean though, if so Brenton told memto replace it, can't I just replace the pick-up coil inside, or should I just get a whole new one.


I will say this to you guys, I had spark before harness was sent out........I get harness back 2 months later, and now no spark.....think that's why it makes this so much more confusing, because it's hard to believe a part would just go on my car in that time the harness was gone, I guess it's because of coinsidence, that I'm suspect of the harness, cause the car would barely roll over twice before firing, now nothing????????
uve took the harness off make sureeeeeee u ground those ecu cables in a gud spot put them back where they were wen u had it on there before u sent it and yes u can replace just the coil inside if u really wanted to
>
QUOTE (brenton1919 @ Mar 27, 2011 - 6:22 PM) *
>>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 27, 2011 - 6:12 PM) *
>>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 27, 2011 - 6:59 PM) *
>>
QUOTE (Stambo @ Mar 27, 2011 - 6:36 PM) *
>so looks like either something with the ecu or dizzy. Correct? The injectors won't pulse unless having a signal from the dizzy.


Does dizzy stand for distributer.....sorry, had to ask, is that what you mean though, if so Brenton told memto replace it, can't I just replace the pick-up coil inside, or should I just get a whole new one.


I will say this to you guys, I had spark before harness was sent out........I get harness back 2 months later, and now no spark.....think that's why it makes this so much more confusing, because it's hard to believe a part would just go on my car in that time the harness was gone, I guess it's because of coinsidence, that I'm suspect of the harness, cause the car would barely roll over twice before firing, now nothing????????
uve took the harness off make sureeeeeee u ground those ecu cables in a gud spot put them back where they were wen u had it on there before u sent it and yes u can replace just the coil inside if u really wanted to

What ECU cables to ground?? Wait does ECU need to be bolted down to centre console on bracket, to be grounded???
>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 27, 2011 - 7:32 PM) *
>>
QUOTE (brenton1919 @ Mar 27, 2011 - 6:22 PM) *
>>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 27, 2011 - 6:12 PM) *
>>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 27, 2011 - 6:59 PM) *
>>
QUOTE (Stambo @ Mar 27, 2011 - 6:36 PM) *
>so looks like either something with the ecu or dizzy. Correct? The injectors won't pulse unless having a signal from the dizzy.


Does dizzy stand for distributer.....sorry, had to ask, is that what you mean though, if so Brenton told memto replace it, can't I just replace the pick-up coil inside, or should I just get a whole new one.


I will say this to you guys, I had spark before harness was sent out........I get harness back 2 months later, and now no spark.....think that's why it makes this so much more confusing, because it's hard to believe a part would just go on my car in that time the harness was gone, I guess it's because of coinsidence, that I'm suspect of the harness, cause the car would barely roll over twice before firing, now nothing????????
uve took the harness off make sureeeeeee u ground those ecu cables in a gud spot put them back where they were wen u had it on there before u sent it and yes u can replace just the coil inside if u really wanted to

What ECU cables to ground?? Wait does ECU need to be bolted down to centre console on bracket, to be grounded???

the ecu does not have to be bolted in.
here are the specs for the 3rd gen distributor.

Attached Image

Former Team 5SFTE pro member ;)13.6@108MPH, 5SFTE Powered
>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 27, 2011 - 7:32 PM) *
>>
QUOTE (brenton1919 @ Mar 27, 2011 - 6:22 PM) *
>>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 27, 2011 - 6:12 PM) *
>>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 27, 2011 - 6:59 PM) *
>>
QUOTE (Stambo @ Mar 27, 2011 - 6:36 PM) *
>so looks like either something with the ecu or dizzy. Correct? The injectors won't pulse unless having a signal from the dizzy.


Does dizzy stand for distributer.....sorry, had to ask, is that what you mean though, if so Brenton told memto replace it, can't I just replace the pick-up coil inside, or should I just get a whole new one.


I will say this to you guys, I had spark before harness was sent out........I get harness back 2 months later, and now no spark.....think that's why it makes this so much more confusing, because it's hard to believe a part would just go on my car in that time the harness was gone, I guess it's because of coinsidence, that I'm suspect of the harness, cause the car would barely roll over twice before firing, now nothing????????
uve took the harness off make sureeeeeee u ground those ecu cables in a gud spot put them back where they were wen u had it on there before u sent it and yes u can replace just the coil inside if u really wanted to

What ECU cables to ground?? Wait does ECU need to be bolted down to centre console on bracket, to be grounded???
no there are cables that cum out from the ecu to the engine bay they should be grounded to the block on the caldina they are under the intake man i have no idea where they are on the st205 can sumbody please help him out with a st205 he needs to find the ecu ground cables


>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 27, 2011 - 7:32 PM) *
>>
QUOTE (brenton1919 @ Mar 27, 2011 - 6:22 PM) *
>>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 27, 2011 - 6:12 PM) *
>>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 27, 2011 - 6:59 PM) *
>>
QUOTE (Stambo @ Mar 27, 2011 - 6:36 PM) *
>so looks like either something with the ecu or dizzy. Correct? The injectors won't pulse unless having a signal from the dizzy.


Does dizzy stand for distributer.....sorry, had to ask, is that what you mean though, if so Brenton told memto replace it, can't I just replace the pick-up coil inside, or should I just get a whole new one.


I will say this to you guys, I had spark before harness was sent out........I get harness back 2 months later, and now no spark.....think that's why it makes this so much more confusing, because it's hard to believe a part would just go on my car in that time the harness was gone, I guess it's because of coinsidence, that I'm suspect of the harness, cause the car would barely roll over twice before firing, now nothing????????
uve took the harness off make sureeeeeee u ground those ecu cables in a gud spot put them back where they were wen u had it on there before u sent it and yes u can replace just the coil inside if u really wanted to

What ECU cables to ground?? Wait does ECU need to be bolted down to centre console on bracket, to be grounded???
and the not cables sry i just say that for wires but they are wires they come out of your harness they should be brown unless tweak used a different color but im sure they are still brown
Now that you said that Brenton, I did mount a wire behind the intake manifold, on a 10mm bolt the wire had an end that excepted that bolt, n screwed it tight to back of manifold. From the harness
>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 27, 2011 - 10:10 PM) *
>Now that you said that Brenton, I did mount a wire behind the intake manifold, on a 10mm bolt the wire had an end that excepted that bolt, n screwed it tight to back of manifold. From the harness


Ok just tested coil with battery + - and had a very very small spark on coil wire ( discharge ) end, to screwdriver, is this spark supposed to be big n bold, or barely able to see it????? Cause that's what it was...really had to look for the spark????
>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 27, 2011 - 11:57 PM) *
>>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 27, 2011 - 10:10 PM) *
>Now that you said that Brenton, I did mount a wire behind the intake manifold, on a 10mm bolt the wire had an end that excepted that bolt, n screwed it tight to back of manifold. From the harness


Ok just tested coil with battery + - and had a very very small spark on coil wire ( discharge ) end, to screwdriver, is this spark supposed to be big n bold, or barely able to see it????? Cause that's what it was...really had to look for the spark????
yeah try to go get a new coil and see what it does i really think that is your problem
>
QUOTE (brenton1919 @ Mar 27, 2011 - 11:38 PM) *
>>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 27, 2011 - 11:57 PM) *
>>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 27, 2011 - 10:10 PM) *
>Now that you said that Brenton, I did mount a wire behind the intake manifold, on a 10mm bolt the wire had an end that excepted that bolt, n screwed it tight to back of manifold. From the harness


Ok just tested coil with battery + - and had a very very small spark on coil wire ( discharge ) end, to screwdriver, is this spark supposed to be big n bold, or barely able to see it????? Cause that's what it was...really had to look for the spark????
yeah try to go get a new coil and see what it does i really think that is your problem


K man, I am gettin one tomorrow.....keep my fingers crossed, the scary thing is, if this doesn't work, I don't know what else it could be????
>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 28, 2011 - 12:52 AM) *
>>
QUOTE (brenton1919 @ Mar 27, 2011 - 11:38 PM) *
>>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 27, 2011 - 11:57 PM) *
>>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 27, 2011 - 10:10 PM) *
>Now that you said that Brenton, I did mount a wire behind the intake manifold, on a 10mm bolt the wire had an end that excepted that bolt, n screwed it tight to back of manifold. From the harness


Ok just tested coil with battery + - and had a very very small spark on coil wire ( discharge ) end, to screwdriver, is this spark supposed to be big n bold, or barely able to see it????? Cause that's what it was...really had to look for the spark????
yeah try to go get a new coil and see what it does i really think that is your problem


K man, I am gettin one tomorrow.....keep my fingers crossed, the scary thing is, if this doesn't work, I don't know what else it could be????


Just checked power to ECU, and it lights up like a Christmas tree...definitely power to ECU. tongue.gif
>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 28, 2011 - 1:07 AM) *
>>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 28, 2011 - 12:52 AM) *
>>
QUOTE (brenton1919 @ Mar 27, 2011 - 11:38 PM) *
>>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 27, 2011 - 11:57 PM) *
>>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 27, 2011 - 10:10 PM) *
>Now that you said that Brenton, I did mount a wire behind the intake manifold, on a 10mm bolt the wire had an end that excepted that bolt, n screwed it tight to back of manifold. From the harness


Ok just tested coil with battery + - and had a very very small spark on coil wire ( discharge ) end, to screwdriver, is this spark supposed to be big n bold, or barely able to see it????? Cause that's what it was...really had to look for the spark????
yeah try to go get a new coil and see what it does i really think that is your problem


K man, I am gettin one tomorrow.....keep my fingers crossed, the scary thing is, if this doesn't work, I don't know what else it could be????


Just checked power to ECU, and it lights up like a Christmas tree...definitely power to ECU. tongue.gif


Do you still think it's my coil when I'm not getting a pulse signal when cranking, kindasad.gif
>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 28, 2011 - 2:44 AM) *
>>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 28, 2011 - 1:07 AM) *
>>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 28, 2011 - 12:52 AM) *
>>
QUOTE (brenton1919 @ Mar 27, 2011 - 11:38 PM) *
>>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 27, 2011 - 11:57 PM) *
>>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 27, 2011 - 10:10 PM) *
>Now that you said that Brenton, I did mount a wire behind the intake manifold, on a 10mm bolt the wire had an end that excepted that bolt, n screwed it tight to back of manifold. From the harness


Ok just tested coil with battery + - and had a very very small spark on coil wire ( discharge ) end, to screwdriver, is this spark supposed to be big n bold, or barely able to see it????? Cause that's what it was...really had to look for the spark????
yeah try to go get a new coil and see what it does i really think that is your problem


K man, I am gettin one tomorrow.....keep my fingers crossed, the scary thing is, if this doesn't work, I don't know what else it could be????


Just checked power to ECU, and it lights up like a Christmas tree...definitely power to ECU. tongue.gif


Do you still think it's my coil when I'm not getting a pulse signal when cranking, kindasad.gif
did u get a new one ? and did u check your EFI RELAY its your main relay and your ignitor might be bad the only other this i could think of is your timing is off or your ecu is bad call tweak today and talk to him about it he might tell u to send the whole harness and ecu him because theres one wire and iif its lose nothin will work its purple pink or brown or black comin from the efi relay and goes in to the euc trace your wires from the coil to the ecu make sure they are lighting up tweak will fix your harness for free if its messed just send it back to him but i would tell him to check your ecu to if you got a new coil and still nothin it has to be your ignitor or your wires are wrong somewhere or your ecu or a relay is bad ............................................................
................. is your car turning over ?
>
QUOTE (brenton1919 @ Mar 28, 2011 - 9:03 AM) *
>>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 28, 2011 - 2:44 AM) *
>>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 28, 2011 - 1:07 AM) *
>>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 28, 2011 - 12:52 AM) *
>>
QUOTE (brenton1919 @ Mar 27, 2011 - 11:38 PM) *
>>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 27, 2011 - 11:57 PM) *
>>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 27, 2011 - 10:10 PM) *
>Now that you said that Brenton, I did mount a wire behind the intake manifold, on a 10mm bolt the wire had an end that excepted that bolt, n screwed it tight to back of manifold. From the harness


Ok just tested coil with battery + - and had a very very small spark on coil wire ( discharge ) end, to screwdriver, is this spark supposed to be big n bold, or barely able to see it????? Cause that's what it was...really had to look for the spark????
yeah try to go get a new coil and see what it does i really think that is your problem


K man, I am gettin one tomorrow.....keep my fingers crossed, the scary thing is, if this doesn't work, I don't know what else it could be????


Just checked power to ECU, and it lights up like a Christmas tree...definitely power to ECU. tongue.gif


Do you still think it's my coil when I'm not getting a pulse signal when cranking, kindasad.gif
did u get a new one ? and did u check your EFI RELAY its your main relay and your ignitor might be bad the only other this i could think of is your timing is off or your ecu is bad call tweak today and talk to him about it he might tell u to send the whole harness and ecu him because theres one wire and iif its lose nothin will work its purple pink or brown or black comin from the efi relay and goes in to the euc trace your wires from the coil to the ecu make sure they are lighting up tweak will fix your harness for free if its messed just send it back to him but i would tell him to check your ecu to if you got a new coil and still nothin it has to be your ignitor or your wires are wrong somewhere or your ecu or a relay is bad ............................................................
................. is your car turning over ?


yes, my car cranks very strong, and i have two igniters, i have tried both....nothing, had a friend check relays when turn key on, and both EFI and ST relay click, but even if my timing is off, wouldnt i still see a spark??
>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 28, 2011 - 11:04 AM) *
>>
QUOTE (brenton1919 @ Mar 28, 2011 - 9:03 AM) *
>>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 28, 2011 - 2:44 AM) *
>>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 28, 2011 - 1:07 AM) *
>>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 28, 2011 - 12:52 AM) *
>>
QUOTE (brenton1919 @ Mar 27, 2011 - 11:38 PM) *
>>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 27, 2011 - 11:57 PM) *
>>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 27, 2011 - 10:10 PM) *
>Now that you said that Brenton, I did mount a wire behind the intake manifold, on a 10mm bolt the wire had an end that excepted that bolt, n screwed it tight to back of manifold. From the harness


Ok just tested coil with battery + - and had a very very small spark on coil wire ( discharge ) end, to screwdriver, is this spark supposed to be big n bold, or barely able to see it????? Cause that's what it was...really had to look for the spark????
yeah try to go get a new coil and see what it does i really think that is your problem


K man, I am gettin one tomorrow.....keep my fingers crossed, the scary thing is, if this doesn't work, I don't know what else it could be????


Just checked power to ECU, and it lights up like a Christmas tree...definitely power to ECU. tongue.gif
yes you will still see a spark thats why i think u have a bad ecu or tweak might have wired a wire wrong but i really dont think its his wires like ive said he's down to many to mess up give him a call tell him wats going and see what he says and then call ATSRACING in denton tx tell them your problem and see what they say

Do you still think it's my coil when I'm not getting a pulse signal when cranking, kindasad.gif
did u get a new one ? and did u check your EFI RELAY its your main relay and your ignitor might be bad the only other this i could think of is your timing is off or your ecu is bad call tweak today and talk to him about it he might tell u to send the whole harness and ecu him because theres one wire and iif its lose nothin will work its purple pink or brown or black comin from the efi relay and goes in to the euc trace your wires from the coil to the ecu make sure they are lighting up tweak will fix your harness for free if its messed just send it back to him but i would tell him to check your ecu to if you got a new coil and still nothin it has to be your ignitor or your wires are wrong somewhere or your ecu or a relay is bad ............................................................
................. is your car turning over ?


yes, my car cranks very strong, and i have two igniters, i have tried both....nothing, had a friend check relays when turn key on, and both EFI and ST relay click, but even if my timing is off, wouldnt i still see a spark??

Well,'just finished installing new coil.....tried cranking again n nothin......this reappoint SUCKS!!
>
QUOTE (brenton1919 @ Mar 28, 2011 - 12:10 PM) *
>>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 28, 2011 - 11:04 AM) *
>>
QUOTE (brenton1919 @ Mar 28, 2011 - 9:03 AM) *
>>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 28, 2011 - 2:44 AM) *
>>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 28, 2011 - 1:07 AM) *
>>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 28, 2011 - 12:52 AM) *
>>
QUOTE (brenton1919 @ Mar 27, 2011 - 11:38 PM) *
>>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 27, 2011 - 11:57 PM) *
>>
QUOTE (injection @ Mar 27, 2011 - 10:10 PM) *
>Now that you said that Brenton, I did mount a wire behind the intake manifold, on a 10mm bolt the wire had an end that excepted that bolt, n screwed it tight to back of manifold. From the harness


Ok just tested coil with battery + - and had a very very small spark on coil wire ( discharge ) end, to screwdriver, is this spark supposed to be big n bold, or barely able to see it????? Cause that's what it was...really had to look for the spark????
yeah try to go get a new coil and see what it does i really think that is your problem


K man, I am gettin one tomorrow.....keep my fingers crossed, the scary thing is, if this doesn't work, I don't know what else it could be????


Just checked power to ECU, and it lights up like a Christmas tree...definitely power to ECU. tongue.gif
yes you will still see a spark thats why i think u have a bad ecu or tweak might have wired a wire wrong but i really dont think its his wires like ive said he's down to many to mess up give him a call tell him wats going and see what he says and then call ATSRACING in denton tx tell them your problem and see what they say

Do you still think it's my coil when I'm not getting a pulse signal when cranking, kindasad.gif
did u get a new one ? and did u check your EFI RELAY its your main relay and your ignitor might be bad the only other this i could think of is your timing is off or your ecu is bad call tweak today and talk to him about it he might tell u to send the whole harness and ecu him because theres one wire and iif its lose nothin will work its purple pink or brown or black comin from the efi relay and goes in to the euc trace your wires from the coil to the ecu make sure they are lighting up tweak will fix your harness for free if its messed just send it back to him but i would tell him to check your ecu to if you got a new coil and still nothin it has to be your ignitor or your wires are wrong somewhere or your ecu or a relay is bad ............................................................
................. is your car turning over ?


yes, my car cranks very strong, and i have two igniters, i have tried both....nothing, had a friend check relays when turn key on, and both EFI and ST relay click, but even if my timing is off, wouldnt i still see a spark??


yes you would see a spark even if the timing is off umm man the only thing i could think off is the ecu or tweaksss wires but i really dont think its the wires but u never know how do u know its not e=gettin a spark did u stick a screw driver in there and let it light u up lol i kno it sound crazy but thats what i do lol call tweak if i was u i would send him my ecu and the wires let him go over it and make sure its good there find the ground to the ecu like u did the power see if your ecu is getting ground i think u are having a ground problem if i was near u i kno i could fix your problem but not being around the car is kind of hard lol i know how to make a car start when its not getting a spark but like i said im not near u so lol i have to go off your info does all your dash lights come on then u turn the key i kno this sound crazy but sometimes these cars get a short mine had this problem the check engine light wont come on when u turn the key that means some where those wires i was tellin u about has a short your car will turn over but wont start its a purple wire a pink wire and the other one is either white black or brown i cant remember but we had to e run that wire because it was trippin i know the prolem u are having because my car use to do it