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dliverance
#1
Ok so I have a friend who owns a Honda shop. He has 3 k series engines laying around. Last night I asked him how much he would sell me one for and he said $300. I was just asking for ****s and grins but it really got my gears going. Right now my plan for the Celica is a Beams. The Beams would cost me some 3k to do properly but if I can swap in a k series and get it running for under 3k, I think It might be a fun project. What do you guys think?

Right now I know the axles, motor mounts, and the whole inverted intake/exhaust manifolds will be an issue. what else should I think about?

Takumi-FujiWaraS...
#2
Harness and kpro (Most who do the swap want to tune to get the most reliable power out of it and kpro isn't cheap nor is a tune for it), trans mounts. If it's not a k20a2 (or jdm equivalent) or k24 i wouldn't waste my time the k20a3 isn't impressive at all, you'd be looking at more than 3k unless you can do the fab work yourself the kpro isn't cheap and a tune around here is around for kpro $500+.

I would scrap the idea unless you've got money to burn.

This post has been edited by Takumi-FujiWaraST: Jun 17, 2012 - 1:35 PM
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kurt95gt
#3
No!!!!!!!! Not a honda motor
If your looking to do a cheaper swap start looking into a toyota v6
Itll have more power that the beams an will cost alot less
My 1mz with harness an computer only cost me 600
95 gt coupe, v6 swap weekend toy99 gt hatch beams swapped wife's94 st hatch my daily driverhttp://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=82235n
dliverance
#4
The kpro can come later. My buddy can tune the pro and he has a dyno in the shop so I'm not too worried about that. The trans mount shouldn't be too difficult to fab up. I'll have to see which k series motors he has tho.

Kurt, That might be something to look into. I'm gonna have to look into your build thread.
Takumi-FujiWaraS...
#5
For $600ish i would go with what kurt has said/done even if it cost you a bit more.
Cleaning and improving my new found yoter little by little.
dliverance
#6
Damn theres a 1mz for sale locally on craigs for $450
kurt95gt
#7
I ive got around 3000 in my swap but thats due to alot of trial an error
Ive got probably around 2500 in what i realky needed an that includes a engine hoist an tein drop springs an a few other little non swap related parts
95 gt coupe, v6 swap weekend toy99 gt hatch beams swapped wife's94 st hatch my daily driverhttp://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=82235n
zfjohnson07
#8
How much horse does the 1mz have, what's ur gas mileage like, and was it easy to get it, I'm trying to read your thread but am on my phone
Lil-Joe101
#9
Tho as interesting as it seems, cross breeding Honda and Toyota parts, specificly a motor, is considered a mortal sin in my my eyes. Shun the Honda tuner, shuunnn, ssshhhhhhhuuuunnnnnn, lol.

But seriously if u think u can make it work go for it. dff would be an interesting build/thread to fallow granted it gets completed.

This post has been edited by Lil-Joe101: Jun 17, 2012 - 3:21 PM
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dliverance
#10
I know it's blasphemy. Even my GF said she doesn't want my car to sound like a lawn mower.
Lil-Joe101
#11
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QUOTE (dliverance @ Jun 17, 2012 - 3:26 PM) *
>I know it's blasphemy. Even my GF said she doesn't want my car to sound like a lawn mower.


Yeah why are more and more Honda's sounding this way? My Accord and CRX both had deep tones. Wut gives? Its so annoying.
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kurt95gt
#12
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QUOTE (zfjohnson07 @ Jun 17, 2012 - 3:13 PM) *
>How much horse does the 1mz have, what's ur gas mileage like, and was it easy to get it, I'm trying to read your thread but am on my phone

Its only got around 200hp but its got alot higher torque( cant remember how much at the moment)

according to my obd2 scanner my mpgs is aright around 36 at highway speeds
But ive only been able to put about 160 mile on her so far
But i only used alil over a 1/4 tank doing so an that wad with some aggressive driving mixed in
95 gt coupe, v6 swap weekend toy99 gt hatch beams swapped wife's94 st hatch my daily driverhttp://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=82235n
kurt95gt
#15
I beleave its whp not 100% thoan it wasnt hard to put in at all
no different than anyother motor lol
95 gt coupe, v6 swap weekend toy99 gt hatch beams swapped wife's94 st hatch my daily driverhttp://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=82235n
BonzaiCelica
#16
problem with a k20 or 2zz swap is the fact that the header will run right into your power steering rack. since header is on t he back side of the engine and intake manifold towards the front where the radiator is
Group buy to replicate Narrow E series transaxle partshttp://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showto...p;#entry1107514
Redmann813
#17
peak bhp and torque for the 1mz are both around 200
zfjohnson07
#18
Does it feel like 200 or more since its light?
kurt95gt
#19
Depends on how your driving it
At small light throttle inputs it feels like a 5s
But get alittle throttle happy an she put you in the seat in every gear
95 gt coupe, v6 swap weekend toy99 gt hatch beams swapped wife's94 st hatch my daily driverhttp://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=82235n
zfjohnson07
#20
well, after reading your project thread, i think ill just stick with getting a short block and fixing my 7afe, and then in a year or so put a 3sgte in it.
kurt95gt
#21
My thread probably makes it seem alot scarier that it is cuz alot of it came down to trial an error since theres no real good info for this swap into the celica that an i had to make all my custom parts
now for a small fee.smaay will make the motor mount . Mr220v does a great job on the harness
Ive thought about getting in touch with one of the mods to make a small list of whats in my swap to put in the sticky since i know theres alot of missinfo in my thread cuz of other stuff ive done along the way
its really no harder than a 3s swap
95 gt coupe, v6 swap weekend toy99 gt hatch beams swapped wife's94 st hatch my daily driverhttp://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=82235n
dliverance
#23
Well my curiosity is peaked. Did you have to do some crazy axle work or did you use the stock gt axles. Also, how does it feel without the lsd?
kurt95gt
#24
Since i used the stock gt trans im still running stock gt axles. The only crazy work i had to do was make a custom pass side mount an a custom axle mount.
The only hard part was figuring out what parts would work best
Like i have a 96 motor so it matchs the stock fuel system but i had to use a 97 ecu so i could still read codes an since i had to run the 97 ecu i had to run a 97 maf too since it sends info alittle differently to the ecu
i had to run an aftermarket fuel pressure regulator too because of the 97 ecu so i could bump up thr psi in the system.
Like i said trial an error till it was right.

It feels good without the lsd. Although at first i faught torque steer because one tire was getting more power than the other an would feel like it was ripping the wheel out of my hand but after i gut use to it on hard acceleration its not a problem now
95 gt coupe, v6 swap weekend toy99 gt hatch beams swapped wife's94 st hatch my daily driverhttp://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=82235n
Smaay
#25
are you in Hollywood CA or eleswhere? im in Lancaster CA just north of hollywood and im doing a 1mz swap in my 6th gen. once i know how to do everything, it will be really easy to do another one.
2001 Celica GT-S Turbo1997 Supra TT 6speed1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap1990 Celica All-Trac
95CelicaST
#26
Power will depend on the year of 1MZ. My 94 1MZ with a LinkECU+tune, simple intake, headers, and exhaust makes 185whp/201wtq. Been getting low-mid 20's on MPG, because the S54 is geared so short and my commute to work is almost 50 miles a day at freeway speeds... I live in 5th gear @ 4k rpms.

If you had a 97+ with VVT-i you might find my numbers would be stock figures due to refinements in the motor. Kurt, you're probably ~10whp/10wtq shy of my numbers, but out of sheer interest I would recommend getting it dyno'ed. The v6 is lighter than the 5S so you're basically doubling the power output and shedding weight at the same time. The 1MZ came in a ton of other Toyotas, so they're cheap and plentiful.
1991 MR2 - T-tops - Crimson Red - Gen3 3SGTE - Lots of moneyI'm not really an asshole, but I play one on the internet.**** Photobucket
Smaay
#27
dang triple post!!!

the 1MZ didnt come with VVT until 2003. the only problem with that is that a VVT 1MZ and 3MZ never were mated to a 5 speed trans, therefore it wouldnt be legal in CA. now you can get around that like i am by using a 3.3L 3MZ block with non VVT 1MZ heads. basically creating a 3.3L 1MZ with a slightly higher compression. im expecting to make 200 to the wheels.
2001 Celica GT-S Turbo1997 Supra TT 6speed1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap1990 Celica All-Trac
dliverance
#28
I'm in Hollywood FL. I have to look into OBD1 1mz. So far it looks pretty promising. If I can get 200 to the wheels that would be a dream.
95CelicaST
#29
Triple post because 6gc went down for a bit.
1991 MR2 - T-tops - Crimson Red - Gen3 3SGTE - Lots of moneyI'm not really an asshole, but I play one on the internet.**** Photobucket
mak5603
#30
Pretty sure it's like 200 to the crank, i've read as low as 160 whp, 180 ft lbs. torque. Not even close to 100hp per liter.

Y U NO like 3sgte?!
2006 BMW 330i - 6 Speed - Dinan Stage 12014 Toyota Rav4 XLE
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