So I am contemplating on doing a 3S-GTE swap as there is a local importer that has a couple of them (2nd, 3rd, 4th)

From all of the experienced members here, what would be the best choice for a 3sgte swap?

Local importer quoted $2,100 for a 3rd gen 3S-GTE with everything including harness and ECU.

As I understand it, 3rd gen is generally the best choice for our cars since its the generation that came in our cars. There is the least wiring involved, and something about parts- though I can't remember if it's the availability of maintenance parts or if its the abundance of performance parts.

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So the third gen seems to be the best option. It is the one on 93+ SW20 and ST205 Celicas, right?

1994 is beginning of 3rd gen so not sure on the 93+ mr2

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Jun 25, 2012 - 5:18 PM

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Sorry I meant 94+ MR2s.

3rd gen from an st205 is what you want, if you want to have a pain free swap. You also have to remember that there is more money involved than just the cost of the engine. You want to have around 3-4k in hand before you start buying an engine. Things like exhaust work, misc gaskets, fluids, clutch, broken parts, tools you never knew you needed...quickly add up.

Stay away from the mr2 engines. While they are technically the same, you are asking for a headache as the wiring harness is totally different along with a bunch of misc brackets and things.

Read the stickies and do some searching. This info has been covered a lot of times before on this forum.

I just got myself a 3rd gen last week. Its an easy swap from what I can tell. My headache is just from stupid unexcuseable stuff. Like needing a whole new wiring harness with the intercooler water pump relay, intercooler water pump, intercooler radiator, and an ECU. Not alot of stuff but with my lack of luck it just happens to be to more expensive.

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Which is why I would much rather have an FMIC setup. More tubing, less parts lol.

How much did yours cost you?

[/quote]Which is why I would much rather have an FMIC setup. More tubing, less parts lol.[/quote]

I like the look of the top mount, for some reason to me without it, it just looks like something is missing, like it wasnt desgined for FMIC unlike other engines. Yeah granted FMIC helps produce more power, but living in the city, factory HP is really all I need.

The engine and shipping totaled out to $1832

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Totally this ^^. 4th gen 3sgte ran me just over 1800 after shipping. All combined work including a FMIC, 3" exhaust, new muffler, yadda yadda yadda, total cost on this build for me will end up a bit over 4K or so. But that includes an extra tranny swap after running into issues with tranny that came with and some other custom work I'm having done. So yeah, at LEAST 3K. And maybe some extra for unforeseen circumstances.

I paid 2.8k for mine...came with e154f...so I may have been ripped...

No idea on mileage

Don't forget MAP sensor Lil-joe =P

Did a little price check yesterday on routine maint before swap, looking around 500 for those items. Oil, water pump, timing belt, and tensioner.

Still have to work out exhaust, clutch, and some relays I'll be doing myself. So I'll probally be spending around 6k by the time its in the car and running.

This post has been edited by rave2n: Jul 1, 2012 - 12:31 PM

This is my $ list so far
3sgte 3rd gen $1800 came with new atc clutch (lucky!)
Mr2 E153 tranny with axles $400
Gt4 shift cable $120
St185 axles about 150 new
So so far im spending $2480
Missing stuff
Send the harness to tweak $300-400
FMIC 80-140
Pipes ??
Exhaust labor and new muffler $500
Water pump, new timing belt 80-100?
Thats another 1100 aprox?

In total ill be spending about $3500 and im sure ill me missing more parts so add another 500 im total about $4000

I am currently in my swap process and highly recommend a front clip and trust me it might cost more up front but cheaper in the long run as the motor wvu and harness is not even close to everything u need. If u have any questions pm me

Fuel resistor pack 250$ 3sgte map sensor800$ mr2 coil 60$ and on and on
And good luck finding the parts. Die's quote of e153 with Axel's of 400 is prob best deal I have ever seen
Those trannys are like gold on eBay bout 800 u can use your stock tranny make it a hybrid.
As of now mine still is overheating and currently waiting on my map sensor from Hong Kong
Cuz I got a great deal at 200$ but it is used.
Than the wta u can find the front mount part and pump on eBay for ford cobra
For around 200$

$200 for a map sensor? O_o

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The 3rd gen OEM map sensors are expensive due to being pretty rare and hard to come by.

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Yea for a 3sgte one new from Toyota it is $825 I got mine used off eBay from Hong Kong for 200$ and there was only one on there the fuel resistor pack is another hard to come by item.

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My set came with the fuel resistor.

Sourced a MAP sensor on here from a member. Much appreciated!

So all I am missing, is the IC heat exchanger, IC water pump, and IC relay/Fuel relays....all pretty easy to source outside of OEM.

My harness is clean & uncut...so I'll will most likely be doing the wiring myself, but you could add that cost in there.

The majority of the cost from my swap is the preperation of the engine itself such as oil & water pump, idlers, pulleys, seals, tools etc.

The only positive I see out of getting the whole front clip, is the posibility of getting some rare item you can sell off to pay for all that.

This post has been edited by rave2n: Jul 19, 2012 - 10:01 AM

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Im missing these exact same items myself, and have no I dea where to look to find these items.

This post has been edited by Lil-Joe101: Jul 19, 2012 - 10:44 AM

I'm also going to be doing a swap soon and have been looking around at prices. I was thinking that an entire front clip would be the smartest option (not talking cheapest, but having all the parts). If I buy a front clip, and hypothetically every single part in it works what else do I need? Just to have the wiring harness redone?

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Heres my homework-
The suite next to my job sells the frontcut for $3,000, rear subframe assembly is included and the hood/bumper will be in *good shape.
The 3S-GTE swap kit is $1,700. It includes the engine, wiring harness and ECU.

I think that by getting the whole clip you have a few advantages.

You now have a set of 4 piston calibers(GT and ST are only a single piston). Not sure what you could get for the brakes but definately a couple hundred.

The superstrut suspension off the GT4 will be worth a couple hundred dollars at least.

The RHD dash can be sold as a RHD conversion kit for $500 or you can sell the individual pieces

GT4 fenders usually go for around $200 here. The side marker is up by the door.

GT4 hood and bumper $400 and $200 is a fair price for the two of them. The crashbar, brackets hood latch and upper brace will also need to be used for a conversion.

GT4 AWD transmission. Worth maybe $500 or a little more if you include axles and shift cables.

Headlights- that an easy $100

Rear axle and driveshaft. Someone may want these and shell out a couple hundred



Anyways, that gives you an idea of what you MAY be able to sell the stuff for. Also consider that any USDM parts you remove from your own vehicle can be sold as well

This post has been edited by Special_Edy: Jul 19, 2012 - 1:16 PM

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Try your local Toyota dealer my part was for a 94 mr2 3sgte when I told them celica gt4 they say they can't get without part number

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Well I would keep the bumper, hood, calipers but don't care about the fenders, Super Strut sus, tranny or anything else for that matter so yes I'll sell them. I'm going to keep if FWD (less parts to break and have to source later). I'm not even worried so much about price as I am of just getting everything I need in one shot right down to the little things ... the extra price is worth the comfort and lack of headache of sourcing little bits. I'm thinking over all this is my best option as it gives me the body parts I want too.

This post has been edited by Xander_X: Jul 19, 2012 - 2:31 PM