I`m in progress to complete a 7agte in my ST 1994.(Don`t try to change my mind , there a lot of work there is made now). I have a GREDDY E MANAGE + PROFEC e01 as piggyback but I would like to know if I can use my 7afe ecu or I NEED the 4age ecu for this setup ?
There is somebody who try this in a 6th gen celica ?
Thank you for help , and what a NICE site on the 6th gen !
Frotou
-frotou+Jan 9, 2004 - 2:46 AM
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-frotou+Jan 9, 2004 - 9:46 AM
"It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"1995 AT200 Celica ST:stocked out daily driver...1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5:silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies...1991 SW2x MR2 n/a:bare bones hardtop model soon to be...
It`s just because in all the site that refer to this hybrid they mention that the 7a or the 4a ecu can be choose (never mention that din`t work with the 7a ecu) and almost everybody who perform this setup made it in a corolla...
For 300 us for the e manage you have more than the s-afc 2 check all the feature .... it`s my opinion.
I don`t want a beast of 400 hp ; this setup can provide just enough of fun for me with a little time ...
Frotou
Go with a stand alone. By the time you buy the e-manage (I know you already have it, but you can sell it), buy the harnesses, software, and other misc stuff for it...you could've bought a stand alone and not had to worry about all the other BS. Check out SDS or Autronic. They are the best values for the money. Both should fall in the $1k to 1.5k range in price. Expect several hundred (3-6) to tune it.
-Kwanza26+Jan 9, 2004 - 3:11 AM
-DustyBurns30+Jan 10, 2004 - 6:32 PM
"It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"1995 AT200 Celica ST:stocked out daily driver...1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5:silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies...1991 SW2x MR2 n/a:bare bones hardtop model soon to be...
how big of an issue is wiring on a stand alone?
kwanza
i dont mean to take away from this guys question or anything, but what style to you take? i am a brown belt in mu duk kwan/ tkd.
-DustyBurns30+Jan 11, 2004 - 1:26 AM
"It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"1995 AT200 Celica ST:stocked out daily driver...1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5:silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies...1991 SW2x MR2 n/a:bare bones hardtop model soon to be...
-frotou+Jan 11, 2004 - 6:25 AM
"It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"1995 AT200 Celica ST:stocked out daily driver...1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5:silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies...1991 SW2x MR2 n/a:bare bones hardtop model soon to be...
I thought about doing this a while back and figured if I did I would call JET and have them upgrade my ecu to 4age specs. This would keep you from messing with wiring, and they could probably set it up a little different according to your preferance.
I'm curious. How much does a project like this cost that this guy is trying to do?
www.sdsefi.com
I look at this product and it`s very simple ! Sure it`s less complicated than swap an ecu/wiring/sensors ... can it tune an engine better than e manage ?
In the system option what setup it`s better to choose = distributor or distributorless ?
Someone you know (or you) have work with it ?
Thank you
Frotou
actually you DON'T have to get a 4a-ge ecu or harness.... since you're doing a conversion, you should already have a donor motor (4a-ge) and should be able to get any sensors you need from it.... you can splice into the 7a-fe wiring..
but since the GE head will rev much higher, you will need the rev limiter removed and fuel/air curves changed a bit....
we're doing this on my 90 corolla (4a-fe to 4a-ge 16V, map sensored 4a-fe ecu) but will be running an aftermarket adjustable FPR and full MSD ignition...
you will also need an aftermarket ignition.... the 4a-ge has an external coil unlike the 4/7a-fe.... the wiring on the 4a-fe ecu is slightly different here... using a universal system (like MSD) takes care of it
.... forgot to mention, the 4age head you need to use is one from a redtop if you plan on using the stock ecu..... the bluetop 4a-ge has t-vis... you can not hook up the t-vis, but you'll be robbed of power
This post has been edited by toyotaspeed_90: Jan 22, 2004 - 2:04 PM
-toyotaspeed_90+Jan 22, 2004 - 10:34 AM
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-toyotaspeed_90+Jan 22, 2004 - 6:34 PM
"It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"1995 AT200 Celica ST:stocked out daily driver...1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5:silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies...1991 SW2x MR2 n/a:bare bones hardtop model soon to be...
For a hybrid like that, you need a Haltech E6K, an Electromotive Tec II or Tec III, on any good EMS...that's a lot of money for that hybrid...might as well spend a lot of money in the quality EMS that'll keep it living happy >
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Past -7A-FTE: Will never forget youPresent -3rd Gen3S-GTE: Swap in progressQUOTE (SinisterSinner @ Dec 19, 2009 - 10:52 AM)I dont want to even think of turbos, they blow up way too often...
yes, stock rev limiter is around 6300 or so, but it can be removed and ecu can be tuned..... luckily one of the guys who are going to help me with my swap sell tuned ecu's.....
-toyotaspeed_90+Jan 23, 2004 - 4:58 AM
"It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"1995 AT200 Celica ST:stocked out daily driver...1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5:silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies...1991 SW2x MR2 n/a:bare bones hardtop model soon to be...
My thougths....
IF you use the 4age ecu, how hard is it to wire in and get everything to work? The only reason I would personally modify the 7a ecu is becuase it would be plug and play.
-FallenHero+Jan 22, 2004 - 10:07 PM
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I'd imagine the reason he wants to use the 7A ecu is so he won't have to mess with wiring... however, that's unavoidable, considering the different sensor set-ups between the 2 engines, different mechanical operations, etc... (depending on which 4ag you use). You will need to do either a full wire changover, directly swapping the 4AG wiring harness (from an ae92 or ae82... not ae86 or aw11 cause those harnesses will need to be modified) or splicing. I would much rather swap over the entire harness than splice into the exsisting harness. If I were to go as far as taking apart the main harness in order to correctly wire in the 4AG signals...might as well drop in a 3sgte or JDM 4AGZE or something of the sort (there would be no difference)...
Problems will also arise depending on which car (make, model, year) this set-up goes into, cause that matters also. All OBD2 cars will have problems with splicing harnesses because OBD2 and OBD1 don't mix (assuming the donor 4AG car is a USDM)...
"It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"1995 AT200 Celica ST:stocked out daily driver...1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5:silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies...1991 SW2x MR2 n/a:bare bones hardtop model soon to be...
actually we're about to do a swap in my ae92 SR5 to a 16V smallport..... the wiring is about 90% the same and what isn't the same can be spliced at the sensor..... a lot of the sensors & whatnot even have the same plug style
also, this gives me the advantage of not having the AFM and running off a MAP sensor
-toyotaspeed_90+Jan 23, 2004 - 7:22 AM
"It's ok to be naked girl... I'm an artist!"1995 AT200 Celica ST:stocked out daily driver...1984 AE86 Corolla GT-SR5:silvertop 20V 4AGE project car jacked up with goodies...1991 SW2x MR2 n/a:bare bones hardtop model soon to be...
actually the latemodel ae92 in japan was map sensored.... there are also map sensored 4a-gze's and the blacktop 20V's were map sensored
what i'm saying.... the engine itself doesn't care what sensor it has... since i'll be using the tuned 4a-fe ecu, it'll be expecting the 4a-fe map sensor, but it'll be running through the 4a-ge.....
i'll let you know what happens when we attempt the swap... it's going down on superbowl weekend.... but since we're using the 4a-fe ecu we also went with a few other choices in the matter including a sard adjustble fpr for a higher fuel pressure and a full msd ignition (either way, i would have to get a 4a-ge ignition and coil, since the 4a-fe is all internal)......
my thought was to fit the 4age with the 7a wiring parts. If I had to, I would just make the 7a intake manifold fit the 4a block.
-FallenHero+Jan 24, 2004 - 4:55 AM
then there would surely be a way to swap over the sensors and wiring from the 7a manifold to the 4a manifold. Then all you would have to do is call jet and have them swap in the performance settings they use for a 4age and put those settings in place of the 7a configuration.
-FallenHero+Jan 24, 2004 - 8:45 PM
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