Special_Edy

#1

I know Im not the first to ponder this , but has a 1mz or 2gr ever been mated to a e154?

And then the other important question is will the TRD Supercharger for either engine fit under the hood of a 6gc? (someone go take measurements!)

Let me know what you think...

richee3

#2

The S54 and E153 both bolt up to both the 3S-GTE and the 1MZ, so presumably the E154F will bolt up. There might be some modification necessary on the back of the block for the rear trans support.

I believe the 2GR is almost too tall for the engine bay due to the slope of the hood, so the supercharger likely won't fit.

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zfjohnson07

#3

awd? i thought you were gonna make it fwd

Tigawoods

#4

cut a big hole in the hood and show off the supercharger

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dudeofchaos

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QUOTE (Tigawoods @ Aug 31, 2012 - 10:12 PM)

>cut a big hole in the hood and show off the supercharger

The supercharger comming out of the Gt-Four's hood would look dope! Especially if it could directly come out of the middle vent for the hot air comming from the turbo.

Box

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QUOTE (Tigawoods @ Aug 31, 2012 - 9:12 PM)

>cut a big hole in the hood and show off the supercharger

Indeed. Though not quite as impressive as this:

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kurt95gt

#7

Yes the st205 trans will bolt up but the transfer case an the rear exhaust manifold take up the same basic space
The only way (that I've read ) is to use a Awd trans out of a 5speed Awd rav4 since it has a smaller transfer case

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nics

#8

This is what's on my mind this past week. I wonder if someone could actually pull it off.

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kurt95gt

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QUOTE (nics @ Aug 31, 2012 - 9:49 PM)

>This is what's on my mind this past week. I wonder if someone could actually pull it off.

It's been done in a alltrac
Well minus the s/c

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Special_Edy

#10

Its the perfect combo.

The amazing torque of 3 or 3.5L v6 plus the booty raping torque from the supercharger would be even more amazing with AWD. I can only imagine how great that would feel to drive, much more practical for everyday driving versus WRC racing with a turbo 4

This post has been edited by Special_Edy: Aug 31, 2012 - 10:03 PM

zfjohnson07

#11

if you ever meet special_edy, you'll know he can pull this off... he's real smart when it comes to engine(s) and engine work

Box

#12

Find an All-Trac and get to it then.

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czwalga

#13

If there was one worthwhile under 2.65 liters I would have done it.

Instead I ended up with a 3sge, to stay in open light class.

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delusionz

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QUOTE (kurt95gt @ Sep 1, 2012 - 2:39 PM)

>Yes the st205 trans will bolt up but the transfer case an the rear exhaust manifold take up the same basic space
The only way (that I've read ) is to use a Awd trans out of a 5speed Awd rav4 since it has a smaller transfer case

so then a couple log manifolds should do it

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ricochet1490

#15

what if you took a 3.0L v6 and "short stroked" it, with longer rods instead of long stroking it. CR would go up,.... prolly to much to take up .35 L... oh well

Special_Edy

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QUOTE (czwalga @ Sep 1, 2012 - 5:11 PM)

>If there was one worthwhile under 2.65 liters I would have done it.

Instead I ended up with a 3sge, to stay in open light class.

The 4GR-FSE and 5GR-FE are 2.5L. both are around the 200HP mark
So is the2.5L 2MZ-FE, right at 200 horsepower and all 3 are a V6. Toss the TRD supercharger on it and do a decent engine build and you have a monster.

Zimluura

#17

i've been pondering the 2gr-fe + awd for a while now. for a while the lack of viabe ways to get it insured stopped me (would not want your car to get totalled and re-imbursed 4k after 20k of modifications). i think i may be able to get it insured to an agreed upon price with another insurer though.

at the moment, the main thing stopping me is that i don't have a garage (guessing roughly 60k to build one). so i don't have a place to put all the parts i'd want to collect, before i pay my mechanic to do/try it.

don't have a very clear idea of the right way to bolt the rear end up to our floorpan either.

Special_Edy

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QUOTE (delusionz @ Sep 1, 2012 - 7:42 PM)

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QUOTE (kurt95gt @ Sep 1, 2012 - 2:39 PM)

>Yes the st205 trans will bolt up but the transfer case an the rear exhaust manifold take up the same basic space
The only way (that I've read ) is to use a Awd trans out of a 5speed Awd rav4 since it has a smaller transfer case

so then a couple log manifolds should do it

Yeah sacrifices may have to be made. The exhaust on a forced induction engine isnt a place to make sacrifices though.

kurt95gt

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QUOTE (delusionz @ Sep 1, 2012 - 8:42 PM)

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QUOTE (kurt95gt @ Sep 1, 2012 - 2:39 PM)

>Yes the st205 trans will bolt up but the transfer case an the rear exhaust manifold take up the same basic space
The only way (that I've read ) is to use a Awd trans out of a 5speed Awd rav4 since it has a smaller transfer case

so then a couple log manifolds should do it

No there's no room for the exhaust to be routed with the st205 transfercase
The rav4 case give enough room to run the exhaust without choking the motor

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delusionz

#20

make new engine mounts that bring the engine upright, make a bulge in the bonnet, modify oil pan and sump pickup

?

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delusionz

#21

ooh, suppose will need to cut and rotate bell housing to match the rotation


i dont picture it though, 90deg V means the its leaning back an extra 45 degrees more than the 3/5s does, that may or may not be a fair bit,

but i can say for sure there the back of my intake manifold is NOWHERE near my transfer case, it has room to lean back a further 45 degrees for sure

This post has been edited by delusionz: Sep 2, 2012 - 3:13 AM

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kurt95gt

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QUOTE (delusionz @ Sep 2, 2012 - 4:09 AM)

>ooh, suppose will need to cut and rotate bell housing to match the rotation


i dont picture it though, 90deg V means the its leaning back an extra 45 degrees more than the 3/5s does, that may or may not be a fair bit,

but i can say for sure there the back of my intake manifold is NOWHERE near my transfer case, it has room to lean back a further 45 degrees for sure

The intake isn't the problem lol
There's no cutting that has to be done it lines up the same eat the st205 does
An the final drive matchs the st205 so there no issue with the rear diff not matching

There's a write up on celicatech on how it was done

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Special_Edy

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QUOTE (delusionz @ Sep 2, 2012 - 3:09 AM)

>ooh, suppose will need to cut and rotate bell housing to match the rotation


i dont picture it though, 90deg V means the its leaning back an extra 45 degrees more than the 3/5s does, that may or may not be a fair bit,

but i can say for sure there the back of my intake manifold is NOWHERE near my transfer case, it has room to lean back a further 45 degrees for sure

Its a 60° V6 I thought...

delusionz

#24

still trying to picture why you cant fit an exhaust manifold back there

i mentioned intake because where your saying the exhaust wont fit is where the intake normally sits, and theres plenty of room down there from what i can see even if that side of the motor is tilted back more

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kurt95gt

#25

The exhaust manifold (atleast on the 1mz ) sets just higher than the steering rack so its lower then you think
An exists right beside the trans. It's kinda tight even without the transfer case in the mix too

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czwalga

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QUOTE (Special_Edy @ Sep 1, 2012 - 9:11 PM)

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QUOTE (czwalga @ Sep 1, 2012 - 5:11 PM)

>If there was one worthwhile under 2.65 liters I would have done it.

Instead I ended up with a 3sge, to stay in open light class.

The 4GR-FSE and 5GR-FE are 2.5L. both are around the 200HP mark
So is the2.5L 2MZ-FE, right at 200 horsepower and all 3 are a V6. Toss the TRD supercharger on it and do a decent engine build and you have a monster.

Ehh not really, but they are both more expensive than a BEAMs which has more hp and about the same tq. Also if I put a s/c on it I would be be bumped into the open class with 100k+ cars.

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cjh4l22

#27

I just want to mention, the one on celicatech was a 5th gen, and it has yet to be completed. I believe it can be found on youtube under "twin turbo v6 awd celica"
I have been looking into this swap myself for quite some time. no final decisions yet but I am thinking 3vz or 1mz

This post has been edited by cjh4l22: Sep 2, 2012 - 9:05 PM

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Special_Edy

#28

Surely someone somewhere has bolted a toyota v6 to a e154 just because they had both laying around. A 2GR-FE would be an upgrade even on the gt4

delusionz

#29

dont know about upgrade, unless forced induction. its got about the same power and torque but weighs twice as much

we already got about 3200lbs dont need any more lol

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Special_Edy

#30

Actually I think the 1mz weighs something like 50 lbs more and the 2gr weighs 100lbs less than a 3sgte.
Dont quote me on those numbers but weight is not an issue with the swap.