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Malhar95
#31
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QUOTE (Special_Edy @ Sep 25, 2012 - 11:15 PM) *
>You could of done it in a day or weekend. Too bad your so far away or Id come help.


How can I do it, everytime I rotate the bolt the complete thing moves..
Lol ill come get u, the amount I'm giving to towin company ill put in a tank of gas haha
If it down that is, at least well find out why exactly is wrong
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richee3
#32
I've found it's helpful to have a friend hold the brakes when trying to loosen the axle nut. Sometimes an impact won't do the job as well as a 4' or 6' breaker bar.
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Special_Edy
#33
You need a friend to hold down the brake pedal to keep the hub from spinning. You could also brace a block between the driverseat and brake pedal then slide the seat forward till the pedal stays fully depressed. Finally you can brace a steel bar between two of the lug-nut studs to hold the hub still.
Malhar95
#34
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QUOTE (Special_Edy @ Sep 26, 2012 - 12:12 PM) *
>You need a friend to hold down the brake pedal to keep the hub from spinning. You could also brace a block between the driverseat and brake pedal then slide the seat forward till the pedal stays fully depressed. Finally you can brace a steel bar between two of the lug-nut studs to hold the hub still.


Had someone hold the brakes and the lug nuts, it's not the hub that's turning, because the cv isn't hookup to the Tracy, it's jus turning from the torn boot place in the picture
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Special_Edy
#35
We're both talking about the large nut that holds the axle into the hub right?
Malhar95
#36
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QUOTE (Special_Edy @ Sep 26, 2012 - 1:08 PM) *
>We're both talking about the large nut that holds the axle into the hub right?


Yea
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Special_Edy
#37
Yeah your probably gonna need someone to hold the brake pedal down, it will keep the hub and axleshaft from spinning. I used a 8-9 foot fence post as a breaker bar on the end of my ratchet.
For the inner half of the axle you just need to remove the two bolts with 12mm heads that hold the carrier bearing to the engine block, then the axle should easily pop out of the differential
zfjohnson07
#38
if you come pick up special_edy ill come wth lol or me and him could come down there for the week in my car smile.gif
Malhar95
#39
If u guys wanna help I would appropriate it , I'll try to make a video explaining what's happening I don't thinks I'm doing a good job with words
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richee3
#40
It sounds to me like the hub is turning with the axle/nut. Having a friend hold the brakes should prevent that. But you said you've done that, so my second guess is that the axle is turning with the nut while the hub itself stays stationary? Theoretically, if the axle and hub splines are both in good condition, this isn't really possible. But things do break and splines can be stripped.
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Malhar95
#41
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QUOTE (richee3 @ Sep 26, 2012 - 3:37 PM) *
>It sounds to me like the hub is turning with the axle/nut. Having a friend hold the brakes should prevent that. But you said you've done that, so my second guess is that the axle is turning with the nut while the hub itself stays stationary? Theoretically, if the axle and hub splines are both in good condition, this isn't really possible. But things do break and splines can be stripped.


That's exactly what's happening, the axle is moving with the nut, the hub isn't,
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Special_Edy
#42
Hmm thats bad if its like richee said, maybe a video would be the best way to confirm
Malhar95
#43
I'll make one tonight, probably bad lighting but whatever helps
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richee3
#44
Well lets hope that its only the axle that is damaged, not the hub. Buying fewer parts is always better!
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Malhar95
#45
How would the hub be damaged? I'm still confused on that.
What it looks like is that axle is basically internally damaged, like where the bearings are so it's completely detached form the othe side
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richee3
#46


The end of the axle and the hub both have splines that interlock with each other, so the axle can spin the wheels. Of these are intact, then your hub would definitely spin with your axle. Since your axle is turning independently from the hub, that means there is an issue with the splines. With any luck, it's only the axle splines that have been damaged, so a new axle (which you need to buy anyway) will fix the issue. However, I'm willing to bet that the teeth inside the hub have been damaged as well, so you will likely need a new axle and front hub. But I'm merely speculating so don't let me scare you. smile.gif
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Malhar95
#47
Okay makes sense. Thanks
But the thing is, if I don't have anyone press the brakes the hub also turns so that shouldn't happen from that end correct?

The easiest way I can explain is if I just start the car, and put it in drive and show what's spinning
If in trying to replace the axle (remove the nut) the opposite moves

Sorry if It doesn't make sense ill post a video soon showing
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Malhar95
#48
I'm sorry but this is what I could do rite now, I barely have time to jack up the car and take everything off,

I basically started the car, and put in drive, if u can see in th video, the axle side from the tranny is turnin but its not being delivered to the other side of the wheel. It's just jumping around

http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab119/m...2C6831110D5.mp4
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Special_Edy
#49
Yes the passengerside cv axle is bad, order a new one
Malhar95
#50
That's the problem, when I'm trying to replace it, everytime I try to take the axle nut (the big 33/32mm one holding the axle through the hub) the axle rotates because its pretty much free from the axle.

The part in the video that was turnin isn't holding he axle to allow me to take the nut off

Does that make sense :s
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zfjohnson07
#51
try pinch off tool i understand its not round but put it on the end and then turn it to where it will sort of hold it. also try to tighten it before you try loosening it, and then try wd-40 to make it get loose, or try heating it up. gl

This post has been edited by zfjohnson07: Oct 1, 2012 - 2:57 PM
Malhar95
#53
Okay so I had it towed to a shop (just brakes) for the cv
I had them replace the passenger first

When he took it off, he looked at the new axle and claimed its wrong because it didn't come with a bracket that was near the middle of the axle. (Sorry didn't take pics then) after going to all 3 major stores they all said that it doesn't come with it.
So I asked him to take it off the original one that came off the car. He took a round clip off around the bearing and put it on the new one

Installed the new one and when we started the car an put it in drive, same thing

The axle is moving from the tranny side but isn't turning the wheel side

Here's a video I made just for the heck of it it' was made before he installed the new axle
http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab119/m...42F6BDEE880.mp4

Keep in mind, that with the axle off, I turned the driver wheel and the tranny WAS turnin inside hence it should turn the passenger too

This post has been edited by Malhar95: Oct 2, 2012 - 9:23 PM
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Special_Edy
#54
IDK what format your video is, I cant watch it.

Anyways, the cv axle is in two pieces. Im certain it needs replaced.

You need to specify at the parts store whether you need the driverside or passengerside. The passengerside is longer and has the carrier bearing on it, which you described as a bracket. The driverside is shorter and has a big knob of metal on it, like some kind of counterweight.
zfjohnson07
#55
if you want to make sre you get the right axle go to NAPA, i went to oreilleys and got screwed so i usually stick with autozone.
Malhar95
#56
Went to advance, I'm pretty sure it's the right part since it was same part number as my 1st 6gc , a 95 auto 5s...pretty much the same other than year

That's what I meant, the carrier bearing didn't come with any cv, the shop used the same one,

We did replace the axle,
It's doing the same think like in the first video but instead of jumping around the boots fine so same symptom just not as loud I guess, axle is turning from transmission side, doesn't rotate/turn past carrier bearing
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Malhar95
#58
Did everyone stop caring about this now haha
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Special_Edy
#59
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QUOTE (Malhar95 @ Oct 5, 2012 - 7:56 PM) *
>Did everyone stop caring about this now haha

Lol sorry, the axle is definately the issue. Its supposed to transmit power to the wheel and so it should be torsionally rigid. Perhaps the axle is to short and the middle shaft that was spinning in the video isnt engaging into the female end of the shaft on the carrier bearing.
Malhar95
#60
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QUOTE (Special_Edy @ Oct 6, 2012 - 2:03 PM) *
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QUOTE (Malhar95 @ Oct 5, 2012 - 7:56 PM) *
>Did everyone stop caring about this now haha

Lol sorry, the axle is definately the issue. Its supposed to transmit power to the wheel and so it should be torsionally rigid. Perhaps the axle is to short and the middle shaft that was spinning in the video isnt engaging into the female end of the shaft on the carrier bearing.


I claimed a defective part from advance they got me a new one dropped it off at the shop. Lets see is it works now

It can't be a transmission problem rite? Cuz that's what's the shop Is trying to say. I think it's a bad install

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