This is obviously not for the anti-electric turbo people, but if you do want an electric turbo or are not sure what to think about it. Check out these websites. Sounds like these turbos really work, but I dont know about the durability. Sorry if these websites have been posted already.

http://home.earthlink.net/~mfirehawkta/index.html

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/t160942.html (the actual guy who created the e-turbo explains in simple english and in physics how this works)

HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA! ELECTRIC TURBO HAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!

Its physically impossible for them to work and at full speed it will harm u by ristricting air because it won't spin fast enough.

yeah that's probably true, but im not buying one. Why dont just read what the forums say. The people who were against it really started making up sh!t(like he made up the dyno graphs and that he paid people off) because the owner of the e-turbo just had to much evidence that it works. Really, read the whole thing. Maybe it will change your mind, but I really dont care. I wasnt a believer either but the evidence and the knowledge that the owner provides is just saomthing you cannot argue against.

so they found a compressor that works for 25 HP, im fairly impressed, but id like to see someone test it further.

im not 100% convinced id have to see it for myself... but it does sound possable. this isnt the first electric compressor to yield gains... but the gains are all very minimal.

I'll test it on my car! I got tax return money to waste!!! And if it fails, I can resell it on ebay for 250 and only lose a 100 dollars!!! yay, there will be some poor sap that will buy it.

-snadman+Jan 15, 2004 - 4:32 PM

ok this is what i think about those electric fans....

poeple say that a fan want let more air in to the engein cause is just can't speen that fas cause it's and electric motor... well i don't think thats ture for this reason..

try this at home...

take your vacum cleaner... it usally has 3 to 8 times the sucking cause buy asmopheric pressuer (spell check) no take a normal house fan which is will take the place of the electric turbo... the vacum cleaner is the engine... take the hose and my a funal that will fit around the vacum hose... not take a sheet of paper and with out that fan put is need the vacum funale.. suck quick right.. now put the funale around the fan.. and turn the fan on then the vacum.. put the paper behind the fan... not see how fast the vacum is sucking are... you can ever try it with the fan.. off and let it spool... wow it's has more sucking power...


thats just something i did in grammer school with vacum pressuer..

I have a feeling it will work to some degree, but that I won't be able to have my radio on, fuzz buster, heat...basically any non-necessary items running because to get the maximum airflow they are saying u can get...you need all that extra power. I'm not sure...like i'm more on the side of the fence saying it wont work...but about 10% of me wants it to work, the other 90% is scheming to try and assassinate the 10%.

Just cut off your foot and see if thats the 10%. If not, keep trying with other limbs.

i too will believe it when i see it and not just a dyno, but actual drivability tests

as far as i know, there is only one type of electronic SC(unless it is powered by exhaust gas, it is an SC) and it is a real roots type SC with the pulley assembly replaced with 3 motors that run off of their own batteries you need to have in the car and lasts for 15 seconds making as high as 25psi depending on the engine size and rpm.

that kit costs $3k, my real turbo stuff has only cost me $3500 to date(got some nice stuff for xmas)

-aEr+Jan 15, 2004 - 1:51 PM

Just try it Snadman, take one for the team. At last we'll have real proof if this stuff works. I'll tell you, if it does work, im going to get one right away, just because it's so easy to install and I can move it from my Celica to my Grand Am when ever I want. That kind of flexiblity is well worth $650 for a twin e-turbo (a claimed 4 psi). BEsides, when I race im going to want to listen to the e-turbo and not my stereo so I dont mind turning my stereo and my indiglo gauges off. Another thing I like about it is that you can install a on and off switch to the e-turbo witch is pretty cool too. The only thing im not to sure about is the durability.

Does anyone know physics in here so that they can compare what the maker of the e-turbo said and what that other dude said in the celica.net forums. One of these guys has to be wrong. Although im sure that the parts for the e-turbo that the guy on the celica.net forum were different from the parts that are in speed freakz e-turbo.

Ok guys Ive read so much about this stuff over the last few years and this is what Ive gathered:

#1 The energy required to spool an ET to sufficient rpms through the power band is just not feasible with current technology, I read somewhere it would take something like 10 heavy duty batteries and 5 high output alternaters to pump out that much electricity.

#2 Nothing is impossible, only improbable.

#3 If you want something that is going to be a drain on your drive train then get a supercharger.

#4 Exhaust pressure is free, stop wasting money on z3 fenders and wings and ****in use em.

#5 Like someone else said at low rpms a good ET will suck in more air but as soon as you even touch the gas peddle your going to be sucking in more air then the hair dryer can blow, which means your restricting inward air pressure.

#6 kiss your engine good bye when some of that plastic breaks off.

#7 Think about an engine working at 5000 revolutions per minute, just think about how much air that is. No little blower sitting on your intake is going to match that

arent dynos usually done at RPMs? not at MPH?

-boosted_K2+Jan 15, 2004 - 9:00 PM

Since its main deficiency is slowing the airflow at high rpms, why not just modify it so that the fan is able to be pulled out of the intake tube once you reach high rpm? Im not suggesting this, but for example you could just have a sort of drop in fan tied to a cable and have it hinged or have it on a rotating arm and when you pull the fan out of place a section of 3" tubing could swing in to fill the space where the fan was. The cable could be run through the firewall for you to pull at your leisure. >> I wouldnt recommend that anyone do this, but just an example of a very basic way you could do this. >>

-macavely+Jan 15, 2004 - 8:37 PM

You people who say electric turbos are physically impossible are talking out your ass. How can you say something is impossible?

I agree that those ebay turbos are a waste of time.. but electric turbos aren't.

Maybe so if you are talking about electric fans (powered by the engine or batteries). What about high powered electro magnets .. which required practically no power. What about frictionless turbines/air compressors/things not invented or tried yet?. What about the next 50-100 years of car/engine evolution? Do you honestly think that we will be using mechanically driven "boosters" in the future?

When these techniques (turbo and superchargers) were created we barely understood electricity and any of it's uses. I honestly believe that old style turbo and superchargers will be replaced by new forms of boost some time in the future. Although as soon as the combustion engine is replaced newer turbo's will likely die anyway so it's probably a race against time.

The only thing that has slowed this evolution down, is computer management. To be able to alter flow speed electronically (and more recently to do this cheaply) instead of mechanically. I am by no means an engineer or scientist, but talk to one, and they'll agree with me.

yes, the difference between an electric fan and an electric compressor, thats what people arent getting. a fan will NEVER work, fans dont change air density, a compressor will.

the ebay ones are a type of fan.

My 2 cents,

never trust a part that has not yet been used by the car manufacturers are it has been tested in racing.

I do not say that electric turbos are impossible. The technology keeps changing all the time. Probably though, the car manufacturers found other more reliable types of technology.

ie. 6gc SS III with 200bhp etc. and dont forget that we have other non toyota related examples such as the MIVEC engine by Mitsubishi that works with oil pressure and the Type R Hondas.

-KAMiX+Jan 16, 2004 - 12:23 AM

your gunna need a chemistry/electrical engineering degrees to tune cars in the future rather than a mechanical engineering and electrical engineering degrees.

-KAMiX+Jan 16, 2004 - 4:04 PM

-boosted_K2+Jan 16, 2004 - 4:09 PM

I have heard conflicting stories about these things and I think if it does work Celica STs will benifit greatly. I know I wish I had more HP.


CelimanST

Somebody needs to pop for one of these and dyno it them selves and post the results. Do we have anyone willing to do it?


CelimanST