My 7AFE to 4AGE 20V Blacktop conversion!
My 7AFE to 4AGE 20V Blacktop conversion!
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My 7AFE to 4AGE 20V Blacktop conversion!
it will bolt to the head, but the downpipe will need modification.
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I'm pretty sure the tuning pros headers are from ebay. I have those exact headers on my car . There actually pretty ****ty . The material is crap . I have to rethread a couple of bolt holes on the header itself because the engine rattled it around so much it stripped the thread lol. If you still choose 40 doller headers from eBay , you will need to use half of your stock down pipe, and the half of the down pipe that came w the headers ( the part w the co2 sensor. Or else the pro tuning headers down pipe won't work . I'd go legit now that I've gone the other rout haha
QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Dec 7, 2012 - 8:25 PM) 
I'm pretty sure the tuning pros headers are from ebay. I have those exact headers on my car . There actually pretty ****ty . The material is crap . I have to rethread a couple of bolt holes on the header itself because the engine rattled it around so much it stripped the thread lol. If you still choose 40 doller headers from eBay , you will need to use half of your stock down pipe, and the half of the down pipe that came w the headers ( the part w the co2 sensor. Or else the pro tuning headers down pipe won't work . I'd go legit now that I've gone the other rout haha
How many gains do you guys think i might expect from different headers in combination with an open air intake? I don't want to change the rest of the exhaust btw.
I prefer a 4-2-1 design because i don't want to loose too much in the low's and mid's.
I prefer a 4-2-1 design because i don't want to loose too much in the low's and mid's.
My 7AFE to 4AGE 20V Blacktop conversion!
not much gain. maybe a few hp's. Youll notice the sound more than the power
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is 10-15 hp achievable with the headers and the open air intake do you think?
My 7AFE to 4AGE 20V Blacktop conversion!
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Maybe if you did a header, full exhaust, and air intake you might gain 10 hp. That's being optimistic I'd think. Only way to know for sure is to dyno before and after.
QUOTE (onnaj @ Dec 11, 2012 - 3:17 PM)
>is 10-15 hp achievable with the headers and the open air intake do you think?
Maybe if you did a header, full exhaust, and air intake you might gain 10 hp. That's being optimistic I'd think. Only way to know for sure is to dyno before and after.
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The sad reality is that there is really no gains from any of these mods on a 5s. 5-10hp is the error margin that happens between runs anyway and can't really be measured as a gain.
QUOTE (Box @ Dec 11, 2012 - 6:06 PM)
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Maybe if you did a header, full exhaust, and air intake you might gain 10 hp. That's being optimistic I'd think. Only way to know for sure is to dyno before and after.
QUOTE (onnaj @ Dec 11, 2012 - 3:17 PM)
>is 10-15 hp achievable with the headers and the open air intake do you think?
Maybe if you did a header, full exhaust, and air intake you might gain 10 hp. That's being optimistic I'd think. Only way to know for sure is to dyno before and after.
The sad reality is that there is really no gains from any of these mods on a 5s. 5-10hp is the error margin that happens between runs anyway and can't really be measured as a gain.
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It's a 7afe so it wouldn't even be 5hp sadly
QUOTE (lagos @ Dec 11, 2012 - 7:08 PM)
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The sad reality is that there is really no gains from any of these mods on a 5s. 5-10hp is the error margin that happens between runs anyway and can't really be measured as a gain.
QUOTE (Box @ Dec 11, 2012 - 6:06 PM)
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Maybe if you did a header, full exhaust, and air intake you might gain 10 hp. That's being optimistic I'd think. Only way to know for sure is to dyno before and after.
QUOTE (onnaj @ Dec 11, 2012 - 3:17 PM)
>is 10-15 hp achievable with the headers and the open air intake do you think?
Maybe if you did a header, full exhaust, and air intake you might gain 10 hp. That's being optimistic I'd think. Only way to know for sure is to dyno before and after.
The sad reality is that there is really no gains from any of these mods on a 5s. 5-10hp is the error margin that happens between runs anyway and can't really be measured as a gain.
It's a 7afe so it wouldn't even be 5hp sadly
Moral of the story, should've had a V8. 
This is why I'm not bothering with the exhaust on my car. Might do a muffler, but that's it.
This is why I'm not bothering with the exhaust on my car. Might do a muffler, but that's it.
2001 Miata LS 5-speed
Does it change when i say i always fill her up with 95 octane?
My 7AFE to 4AGE 20V Blacktop conversion!
nope.
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When I had my 7A, I felt a difference with the ebay manifold but I also had a modified air intake and advanced ignition timing.
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How did you advance ignition timing?
My 7AFE to 4AGE 20V Blacktop conversion!
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It changes your bank account, but that's about it. Octane does not equal power.
QUOTE (onnaj @ Dec 12, 2012 - 6:45 AM)
>Does it change when i say i always fill her up with 95 octane?
It changes your bank account, but that's about it. Octane does not equal power.
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Well, if it was designed to run on higher octane fuels it does.
QUOTE (richee3 @ Dec 12, 2012 - 9:47 AM)
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It changes your bank account, but that's about it. Octane does not equal power.
QUOTE (onnaj @ Dec 12, 2012 - 6:45 AM)
>Does it change when i say i always fill her up with 95 octane?
It changes your bank account, but that's about it. Octane does not equal power.
Well, if it was designed to run on higher octane fuels it does.
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I'm going to tell you from experience, when I put on my eBay tuning pros headers, it was loud as ****! As the stock headers have a cat built in. The tuning pros is just straight pipe. I also only have one cat after changing my headers and my exhaust piping from 2.0 to 3.0. The piping gives a real deep throaty sound. Real nice. As for gain, I had my cat back exhaust on before I installed the headers . I felt a lil bit torque loss. But in the higher gears it was def better. Maybe 10 hp
QUOTE (Box @ Dec 12, 2012 - 11:31 AM)
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Well, if it was designed to run on higher octane fuels it does.
QUOTE (richee3 @ Dec 12, 2012 - 9:47 AM)
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It changes your bank account, but that's about it. Octane does not equal power.
QUOTE (onnaj @ Dec 12, 2012 - 6:45 AM)
>Does it change when i say i always fill her up with 95 octane?
It changes your bank account, but that's about it. Octane does not equal power.
Well, if it was designed to run on higher octane fuels it does.
I'm going to tell you from experience, when I put on my eBay tuning pros headers, it was loud as ****! As the stock headers have a cat built in. The tuning pros is just straight pipe. I also only have one cat after changing my headers and my exhaust piping from 2.0 to 3.0. The piping gives a real deep throaty sound. Real nice. As for gain, I had my cat back exhaust on before I installed the headers . I felt a lil bit torque loss. But in the higher gears it was def better. Maybe 10 hp
In Holland we don't have less the 95 octane. We also have 98 octane and when i go to German i can buy Shell Vpower 100 with octane 100. 
Does someone has a picture of the original header and downpipe?
This post has been edited by onnaj: Dec 12, 2012 - 1:02 PM
Does someone has a picture of the original header and downpipe?
This post has been edited by onnaj: Dec 12, 2012 - 1:02 PM
My 7AFE to 4AGE 20V Blacktop conversion!
2000 Celica GTS 'slowest gts evar'1998 Mazda 626 FS-DE/CD4-E
Ah never knew that. So when I look at the table it's just the same so only max 5 extra ponies will be added then haha
My 7AFE to 4AGE 20V Blacktop conversion!
Are the specs of the headers right at least? I´m especially curious about the inlet/outlet. They give me this specs:
--Specification--
Make/Year: Toyota Celica 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999
Model: ST Only
Engine: 7AFE/3SGE 1.8L L4/4 Cylinder
Spec: 4-2-1 2pcs
Inlet/Outsize Size: 1.75"/2.0"
O2 Sensor Hole: 1/One
Note: Not Fit GT 2.2L 5SFE Engine
Thanks!
--Specification--
Make/Year: Toyota Celica 1994 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999
Model: ST Only
Engine: 7AFE/3SGE 1.8L L4/4 Cylinder
Spec: 4-2-1 2pcs
Inlet/Outsize Size: 1.75"/2.0"
O2 Sensor Hole: 1/One
Note: Not Fit GT 2.2L 5SFE Engine
Thanks!
My 7AFE to 4AGE 20V Blacktop conversion!
the header fits the 7afe engine as well as 4age if I'm correct. it will not fit any 2.0 or 2.2 liter engines.
i do have specs for outlet on the b-pipe on my other comp which is currently not working. i'll get them to you asap. if i remember. pm me in a week or so or just bug me till i tell you
This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Jan 13, 2013 - 3:56 AM
i do have specs for outlet on the b-pipe on my other comp which is currently not working. i'll get them to you asap. if i remember. pm me in a week or so or just bug me till i tell you
This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Jan 13, 2013 - 3:56 AM
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That would be really nice. I'll keep bothering you untill you have the specs haha
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>the header fits the 7afe engine as well as 4age if I'm correct. it will not fit any 2.0 or 2.2 liter engines.
i do have specs for outlet on the b-pipe on my other comp which is currently not working. i'll get them to you asap. if i remember. pm me in a week or so or just bug me till i tell you
i do have specs for outlet on the b-pipe on my other comp which is currently not working. i'll get them to you asap. if i remember. pm me in a week or so or just bug me till i tell you
That would be really nice. I'll keep bothering you untill you have the specs haha
My 7AFE to 4AGE 20V Blacktop conversion!
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No. Probably more like 6 - 7 I'd say tops. You only get a couple HP from the intake and the header doesn't do much either.
QUOTE (onnaj @ Dec 11, 2012 - 4:17 PM)
>is 10-15 hp achievable with the headers and the open air intake do you think?
No. Probably more like 6 - 7 I'd say tops. You only get a couple HP from the intake and the header doesn't do much either.
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I have full exhaust and ebay headers and this setup is better than stock .
QUOTE (6G96GT @ Jan 14, 2013 - 12:14 AM)
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No. Probably more like 6 - 7 I'd say tops. You only get a couple HP from the intake and the header doesn't do much either.
QUOTE (onnaj @ Dec 11, 2012 - 4:17 PM)
>is 10-15 hp achievable with the headers and the open air intake do you think?
No. Probably more like 6 - 7 I'd say tops. You only get a couple HP from the intake and the header doesn't do much either.
I have full exhaust and ebay headers and this setup is better than stock .
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first off what year is your car?
if its pre 96 then look under the distributor for a bolt thats holding it. loosten the bolt that you can turn the distributor by hand. stick a wire in the diagnostic box jumpering Te and E1. the timing light should show you at 10 degrees BTDC. now turn the distributor clockwise and you will see the timing advance. running a 7A-FE at about 14-15 degrees BTDC will bake a huge change, however you must run a higher octane rating fuel.
QUOTE (onnaj @ Dec 12, 2012 - 7:42 AM)
>How did you advance ignition timing?
first off what year is your car?
if its pre 96 then look under the distributor for a bolt thats holding it. loosten the bolt that you can turn the distributor by hand. stick a wire in the diagnostic box jumpering Te and E1. the timing light should show you at 10 degrees BTDC. now turn the distributor clockwise and you will see the timing advance. running a 7A-FE at about 14-15 degrees BTDC will bake a huge change, however you must run a higher octane rating fuel.
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I have a Europe 7AFE, it's from 1998, but still OBDI so the jumpering method should be it.
But to change the timing i always thought you have to turn the distributor cap, but thats not it, you have to turn the distribituor itself?!
Which is the minimum octane i should use when i advance the timing to 14 degress BTDC? Will it damage my engine anyway?
Thanks.
QUOTE (Smaay @ Jan 17, 2013 - 11:04 AM)
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first off what year is your car?
if its pre 96 then look under the distributor for a bolt thats holding it. loosten the bolt that you can turn the distributor by hand. stick a wire in the diagnostic box jumpering Te and E1. the timing light should show you at 10 degrees BTDC. now turn the distributor clockwise and you will see the timing advance. running a 7A-FE at about 14-15 degrees BTDC will bake a huge change, however you must run a higher octane rating fuel.
QUOTE (onnaj @ Dec 12, 2012 - 7:42 AM)
>How did you advance ignition timing?
first off what year is your car?
if its pre 96 then look under the distributor for a bolt thats holding it. loosten the bolt that you can turn the distributor by hand. stick a wire in the diagnostic box jumpering Te and E1. the timing light should show you at 10 degrees BTDC. now turn the distributor clockwise and you will see the timing advance. running a 7A-FE at about 14-15 degrees BTDC will bake a huge change, however you must run a higher octane rating fuel.
I have a Europe 7AFE, it's from 1998, but still OBDI so the jumpering method should be it.
But to change the timing i always thought you have to turn the distributor cap, but thats not it, you have to turn the distribituor itself?!
Which is the minimum octane i should use when i advance the timing to 14 degress BTDC? Will it damage my engine anyway?
Thanks.
My 7AFE to 4AGE 20V Blacktop conversion!
yeah its not the cap, you turn the entire distributor. your ratings are different so im not sure what number to use. I suggest the highest for regular pump gas. thats our 91 or 92 depending on states
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That's our 95RON. I always use that. There a little to non fuel stations in our country where we can get less then 95RON. There's also a possibility to get 98RON (93-94AKI) but thats a bit more difficult already.
So when i change the timing that shouldn't be a problem?
QUOTE (Smaay @ Jan 17, 2013 - 11:25 AM)
>yeah its not the cap, you turn the entire distributor. your ratings are different so im not sure what number to use. I suggest the highest for regular pump gas. thats our 91 or 92 depending on states
That's our 95RON. I always use that. There a little to non fuel stations in our country where we can get less then 95RON. There's also a possibility to get 98RON (93-94AKI) but thats a bit more difficult already.
So when i change the timing that shouldn't be a problem?
My 7AFE to 4AGE 20V Blacktop conversion!