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yellowchinaman
#1
The problem with our ST205 is that the flat 4 is mounted horizontally.
Ive heard of v6 implants but is it possible to do a V8?
Think about it. Its about the same length as a straight 4, being 4 and 4 cyliners parallel just much wider meaning when mounted sideways, its fuller towards the fire wall and rad.
So if so I could imagine relocating the rad further beyond the slam panel and it could work.
Now what V8 made by toyota that can mate up with the E145 gearbox?

This post has been edited by yellowchinaman: May 20, 2013 - 3:40 PM
czwalga
#2
There's plenty of room, the problem is the steering rack location.
-93 Rx7, Turbo 6.1L v8, 725rwhp/760rwtq-95 Celica GT Rally Car - 3sge/AWD-10 F150Always buying stock wheels... PM me if interested in selling.
95CelicaST
#3
I think you mean inline-4, not flat-4.... no Subaru motors in a ST205.
1991 MR2 - T-tops - Crimson Red - Gen3 3SGTE - Lots of moneyI'm not really an asshole, but I play one on the internet.**** Photobucket
yellowchinaman
#4
corrected just for you.
Now I didnt think about the steering rack.
What options do I have as I think its the same issue with a V6 transplant?

This post has been edited by yellowchinaman: May 20, 2013 - 3:41 PM
ILoveMySilly97
#5
Damn. If you go through with this v8 swap. Im pretty sure it would be loads of money and labor and mods.
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Smaay
#6
just put a 2JZ in there. it will fit
2001 Celica GT-S Turbo1997 Supra TT 6speed1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap1990 Celica All-Trac
yellowchinaman
#7
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QUOTE (Smaay @ May 20, 2013 - 5:02 PM) *
>just put a 2JZ in there. it will fit

No it wont. Not horizontally.

Regarding money, I think ill be making most of the things up so besides the lump, everything else is just aftermarket tuning parts.

So back to what V8 will mate the E145?

How about the 1UZFE?

This post has been edited by yellowchinaman: May 20, 2013 - 4:10 PM
RavenAegis45
#8
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QUOTE (yellowchinaman @ May 20, 2013 - 5:07 PM) *
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QUOTE (Smaay @ May 20, 2013 - 5:02 PM) *
>just put a 2JZ in there. it will fit

No it wont. Not horizontally.

Regarding money, I think ill be making most of the things up so besides the lump, everything else is just aftermarket tuning parts.

So back to what V8 will mate the E145?

How about the 1UZFE?

No its not possible for a 1UZFE to fit
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Box
#10
We have a member doing a V8 conversion right now, but it's being done in a RWD layout. We know the V6's will work such as the 1MZ-FE. I'm kind of curious, why are you wanting to swap from the 3S-GTE?
2001 Miata LS 5-speed
Special_Edy
#11
The 1uz is 6 inches longer than the 5sfe. Bolted to the S54 transmission its 6 inches wider than the frame of the celica and it would drag the oilpan on the ground so you'd need a dry sump
yellowchinaman
#12
great so the 1UZFE is too big.
Can the 1MZ-FE fit sideways then?
Why V8?
I've always wanted a V8 thats why. biggrin.gif
czwalga
#13
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QUOTE (yellowchinaman @ May 21, 2013 - 5:27 AM) *
>great so the 1UZFE is too big.
Can the 1MZ-FE fit sideways then?
Why V8?
I've always wanted a V8 thats why. biggrin.gif



If you want something thats going to bolt up... get a new chassis. Anything can be done, but lots of time and effort.
-93 Rx7, Turbo 6.1L v8, 725rwhp/760rwtq-95 Celica GT Rally Car - 3sge/AWD-10 F150Always buying stock wheels... PM me if interested in selling.
Special_Edy
#14
A 4-liter 2GR-FE may be possible, using a 1GR crankshaft to stroke it.
The 2GR is a 3.5-liter V6 found in 2007 and newer Toyotas, Lexus, and Lotus. Supposedly its 'bolt in'(some custom parts required) just like the 1mz, though the 2gr is a bit more expensive.

Then your celica would be a GRT-205 or GT-205 instead of an ST-205

This post has been edited by Special_Edy: May 21, 2013 - 6:35 AM
yellowchinaman
#15
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QUOTE (czwalga @ May 21, 2013 - 7:16 AM) *
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QUOTE (yellowchinaman @ May 21, 2013 - 5:27 AM) *
>great so the 1UZFE is too big.
Can the 1MZ-FE fit sideways then?
Why V8?
I've always wanted a V8 thats why. biggrin.gif



If you want something thats going to bolt up... get a new chassis. Anything can be done, but lots of time and effort.



I intend on making a new subframe and chopping the chassis to make this fit anyway. As long as it sits within the two top mounts and I can still retain the GT4 gearbox then I think it's do-able.

GT-205 sounds good but would rather have a V8 if I can fit it instead of a V6.
Bitter
#17
That's like asking how does a Chevy 350 compare to an LS1.
2000 Celica GTS 'slowest gts evar'1998 Mazda 626 FS-DE/CD4-E
czwalga
#18
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QUOTE (yellowchinaman @ May 21, 2013 - 7:02 AM) *
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QUOTE (czwalga @ May 21, 2013 - 7:16 AM) *
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QUOTE (yellowchinaman @ May 21, 2013 - 5:27 AM) *
>great so the 1UZFE is too big.
Can the 1MZ-FE fit sideways then?
Why V8?
I've always wanted a V8 thats why. biggrin.gif



If you want something thats going to bolt up... get a new chassis. Anything can be done, but lots of time and effort.



I intend on making a new subframe and chopping the chassis to make this fit anyway. As long as it sits within the two top mounts and I can still retain the GT4 gearbox then I think it's do-able.

GT-205 sounds good but would rather have a V8 if I can fit it instead of a V6.




If you're going to the trouble, better off making it rwd. Doublt you'll find an engine to fit and bolt up to the FWD transmission. Like I said though the steering rack is the real killer on this car.
-93 Rx7, Turbo 6.1L v8, 725rwhp/760rwtq-95 Celica GT Rally Car - 3sge/AWD-10 F150Always buying stock wheels... PM me if interested in selling.
95CelicaST
#19
3VZ is an old heavy cast iron V6. If that is your thing, then right on. 1MZ is all aluminum V6, and is reserved for ballers.




both options will bolt up to the E153 perfectly... Not sure how the rear bank exhaust manifold will interfere with an AWD transmission,
1991 MR2 - T-tops - Crimson Red - Gen3 3SGTE - Lots of moneyI'm not really an asshole, but I play one on the internet.**** Photobucket
czwalga
#20
Talking about a v8, v6 swaps have been done.
-93 Rx7, Turbo 6.1L v8, 725rwhp/760rwtq-95 Celica GT Rally Car - 3sge/AWD-10 F150Always buying stock wheels... PM me if interested in selling.
95CelicaST
#21
V8 won't fit with any Toyota transmission. There are guys on the MR2 board that are working with a small GM transmission, but ultimately you'll need to just convert to RWD.
1991 MR2 - T-tops - Crimson Red - Gen3 3SGTE - Lots of moneyI'm not really an asshole, but I play one on the internet.**** Photobucket
Smaay
#22
if you want something with a V8 in it, get a car that came with a V8.

quit trying to reinvent the wheel. a V8 in a FWD celica is just plain STUPID. can it be done? yes. but why? the cost will be outrageous. Get a 1MZ or 3MZ or 2GR and call it a day.
2001 Celica GT-S Turbo1997 Supra TT 6speed1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap1990 Celica All-Trac
yellowchinaman
#23
Then out of the 1MZ, 3MZ and 2GR, which on will be more tuneable with FI for high hp?

This post has been edited by yellowchinaman: May 21, 2013 - 1:49 PM
Box
#24
The 1MZ would be the easiest to go with, as it's been done a few times already. I think it'd be good for the GT-Four, would remove a lot of weight from the front of the car. As far as which would make the most power logic dictates that it would be the 2GR. The 3MZ doesn't make much more power than the 1MZ stock vs stock. I wouldn't think it'd be worth the extra headaches for the extra 20-30 hp. I want to say Smaay has a 1MZ/3MZ hybrid and is doing well with it, he could probably fill you in on all the details.
2001 Miata LS 5-speed
Smaay
#25
i had a hybrid but it started spinning a bearing, so i swapped it out with a full on 3MZ. there is only 2 differences between the 1MZ and 3MZ block. .3L displacement is the big one. no EGR cooler on the 3MZ. and feed holes for VVT. the Heads are almost the same too. just a tad longer to support the VVT gear and the cam position sensors are moved. thats about it. Im running the 3MZ on 1MZ electronics so i have no VVT support. i have posted my Dyno and its way above what i was expecting. 240TQ and 220 HP.

im in the process of designing an intercooled M90 SC setup
2001 Celica GT-S Turbo1997 Supra TT 6speed1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap1990 Celica All-Trac
yellowchinaman
#26
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QUOTE (Smaay @ May 21, 2013 - 2:36 PM) *
>if you want something with a V8 in it, get a car that came with a V8.

quit trying to reinvent the wheel. a V8 in a FWD celica is just plain STUPID. can it be done? yes. but why? the cost will be outrageous. Get a 1MZ or 3MZ or 2GR and call it a day.



You doubting me?

So I have a plan and I believe itll work.

What Ill need is a Chevy 8.3 ltr V8
Then Im gona mount it behind he seat's for a mid engine setup
Custom made chassis and roll cage
Porsche style 4x4 transmission with a forward facing transfer box to power the front wheels

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Box
#27
I'm up for seeing a V6 GT-Four, not sure about anyone else. tongue.gif
2001 Miata LS 5-speed
yellowchinaman
#29
so the biggest problem i have now is finding a car with a mid engine awd setup as porsche carerra 4 was a rear engine awd setup.
The transmission will also need to be able to withstand 644hp from the big v8.

This post has been edited by yellowchinaman: May 26, 2013 - 5:26 AM
Special_Edy
#30
There is an easier way of doing this. A 1mz-e153 sitting on the front wheels and another 1mz-e153 sitting on the back wheels. It would be 4 wheel drive and it'd be badass

Its easy if you think about it, you just gotta weld a front subframe into the rear of the car and bolt another engine in there.

It would probably be easier than swapping in a V-8
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