Has anyone here daily driven a 3sgte swapped celi with an s54 tranny that was 400hp or more?
Swapping very soon and im gonna build it up next year...this is my only car so just want to know my limits.
Personal experiences only, not "well I read on alltrac.net ......"
although direct links to other websites about this topic will be acceptable.
im gonna have stock internals, MAYBE the street brawler turbo kit from KO in the future, if i cant reach my goal with the ct20b

Try starting out with the stock 250hp or so, then go up from there in small increments so that way you find out your limits and minimize the risk of something happening.

This post has been edited by Box: Nov 13, 2014 - 1:26 PM

Daily driving any vehicle with that much power will probably give you problems at one point or another, You just have to be prepared to be out a car for a short period of time.

Azncelica has 433 whp. I don't know if it's daily driven but he abused it and the trans held up until his most recent track day.

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Dont wanna keep adjusting things and hitting a dyno over and over again. I want to build it, and just boost off into the sunset at 400 hp. I want to scare the hell out my passengers

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Driving any car, with power or not, will give you problems sooner or later. But cars are meant to be driven. I mean, really whats the difference between 250 and 400. I should be fine

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Gonna check out his profile. I wont be abusing it at all, other than the occasional 3rd gear highway pulls. I do want to be able to go from a roll to 30mph damn near instantly tho, so that city driving is fun

You have to learn how to walk before you can learn to run Paul Walker.

This post has been edited by Box: Nov 13, 2014 - 8:02 PM

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Lol well ill be driving it stock for at least 6 months. Maybe wire the IC pump to run constantly then over time ill turn the boost up until it stops making power.

400HP at FWD without any electronic? I believe you really should try stock 3SGTE power first. Not to test driving skills but behavior of the car under several conditions (rain, snow, dry tarmac, dirty road... Etc). Especially when you want it as daily drive = you need lot of take offs and cornering from time to time .

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Lol ill get plenty of practice while I save up for a hydra nemesis.. I might do the swap next month or january depending on weather. Praying for a 60F degree day to do the swap, which seems to be practical given the weird winters we've had in new jersey the past couple years. Ill be driving the 3s from january through like april, MAYBE May, depends on if I get other mods before the hydra. And dont worry I put like 3000 miles on my car each month, sometimes a lot more (I have girls all over the east coast lol). Plenty of time to adapt to the power and learn how to control it. Im a pretty great driver to begin with.

I just want to make sure the stock internals can handle 400hp for a couple years. Eventually ill get a quaife LSD installed in my s54, maybe a whole trans rebuild while its open.

This post has been edited by Arturio55: Nov 14, 2014 - 9:35 AM

I wouldn't recommend stock internals for 400hp...And the headache of removing a stock 3SGTE that you just put in to add forged internals seems a bit of a waste. I'd forge from the start. The s54 isn't much good over 330-350 at the wheels. For your power goals an e-153 and forged internals are the best advice I can give.

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Not to sound like an a** but I know that already. My question is if anyone here has done it. If they did, I want to know their results and opinion. Don't need advice, I've done 2 years of research and I plan on forging eventually....but I would rather have as much fun as I can before I absolutely need to blow money and install forged rods and pistons. The car will be tuned so it may not be completely necessary

Get in touch with Tao for sure. He has a great deal of experience with getting his car to the 400 hp point. He's pretty active on Facebook, if you are on there. DEATH here on the forum has a lot of experience with the subject as well but he's not very active so you may have to wait on his reply.

One thing you haven't mentioned, how many miles are on the 3S-GTE?

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Can someone get me a link for this Tao guys facebook?

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Havent even picked it up yet, i plan on going to JDM engine depot in new jersey on december 8 or 9. Ill get the best pick of the litter.

I do already have a spec clutch kit, gt4 intercooler pump and heat exchanger, map sensor, new water pump, and various other things ill need for the swap

You'll be pushing your luck with the ct20b. I know around 19-20psi is it's limit. However, that's not something you should run at constantly with that turbo.
I believe around 19psi on ct26 would put down around 325hp-ish

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Which is when I get that street brawler turbo kit I mentioned in the original post....

From a roll to 30 almost instantly is a curious statement. You'll get there... on the speedometer... lol

First and second gear (and I have an E153 not S54 so I have much longer gears), anything over 4,500 rpm WOT and I have tire spin. In 2nd that is now 5,000 rpm since I got new tires (about 200 miles on em, 225 wide General AS-03's love them).

You really can't "blast off" until you're in 3rd gear, and with the S54 you still might spin, especially with 400 WHP.


That being said I know you will enjoy it, whether roasting tires or not.

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Lmao @ the first sentence. Yea I know wheel spin is bad, will only be MUCH worse at 400.. but from a roll it might be eliminated if I install an LSD and poly bushings all over the suspension parts (I already have coilovers, stiffer than a **insert punchline here**)

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I've got coilovers, E153, LSD, running 13 PSI on aftermarket turbo... it's still bad lol.

From a roll or not, at low speed the torque will win over anything you could throw at it unless you're ganna rip apart your wheel wells and throw like 255's or wider summer/track/drag tires up front.

Maybe if your EMS can, set it up to run less boost at certain speeds if possible?

This post has been edited by cardshark525: Nov 15, 2014 - 2:13 AM

That's what SAAB did with their turbo FWD cars, limited the first 2-3 gears with more power on each gear until max power was released. I can't remember where exactly I saw it, but there's a way to setup something similar with an aftermarket solution.

Two years of research is a lot different than two years of experience. I speak from experience, and some of the others responding to you on this thread do as well. We are only trying to help, and set you in a safe direction for YOU, your CAR, and your POCKET. We would hate to see your dreams of 400hp daily driven go up in flames because you didn't accept valid advice, and damaged the engine beyond repair or overhaul for your forged internals. There wouldn't be accepted methods for your horsepower goals if nobody had failed at it in the past. Some of your comments to other members in this thread may be viewed as snide or know-it-all-like. One day you might need our help again, and your cries for help may fall on deaf ears.

A bolt on 3sgte is very much underrated. When I first rode in my car as a passenger I was taken away, along with my friend that was with. I have always been around fast cars, I'm in no way saying this is ballistic but it will break the tires loose with awd. I agree with everyone else, just get used to it. I understand you want to get used to it with all the power but the 3s is already a tower of power.

Ok I understand and see everyones point, traction, forged internals, safety blah blah blah. I know all of that, not saying anyone is wrong. but none of that is relevant

My question is if anyone has daily driven a 3sgte swapped celica that was pushing 400hp or more. If so, then I would like to speak to them personally

Its like if I asked you what one plus one is and you say "well arturio thats a good question but first we have to speak about the difference between negative and positive integers...and do you really need to know one plus one? Isnt just one enough? Whats the unit of measure? Whats the density of the things you are adding together"

In other words....I just want an answer to my question. You guys are like carlton on that episode of the fresh prince when they went on that game show


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if im gonna just blow up my car or mess up the engine or whatever may happen...then cool let me learn my lesson. Then next time this question is asked by someone, I can give my input and for the first time ever on 6gc.net, someone's question will receive a direct answer

This post has been edited by Arturio55: Nov 15, 2014 - 12:20 PM

Alright, you're on your own. Have fun blowing up an engine that cost more than your car.

I guess I see things a bit differently than most people on here. You want 400 whp, I want you to have 400 whp. I think that's a little too much for a FWD street driven car, but SRT4's and Cobalt SS's do it all the time and I've seen Tao's beast in person, that thing is NUTS. Traction will be an issue, but LSD and damn good tires will help. And if 400 is too much, you can always turn the boost down. There aren't a lot here with that much power, so it'll be hard to get the answers you're looking for, but we have a lot of cookie-cutter builds around here (which are great! don't get me wrong,) but if someone wants to try something new then I'm all for it.

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Oh ill have tons of fun.
if anyone else is curious tho, I will have quite a few supporting mods. In the original post I did say I would build up the engine. Only reason I didnt post everything here is because this isnt a mod list or "my project" post.
but I will have a hydra nemesis, prob bigger (880cc?) injectors, water injection, a turbo upgrade (maybe the street brawler kit) and other little things. Hell, I might go ahead and do forged internals but you negative nancys irritate me so much and make me want to use the stock internals out of spite. So we'll see. I dont wanna tear down the engine unless I get a daily car and actually have an entire week to myself to tear it down and rebuild it.

If all hell breaks loose then so be it. When Einstein was designing the atom bomb, they thought it would set the atmosphere on fire and destory earth. Yet the american government dumped billions of dollars into the project which was successful and they slaughtered a bunch of japanese people. Just like im gonna slaughter a bunch of japanese cars. (No offense to anyone of japanese orientation....dont worry I hate my government passionately)

Anyways....still, have this many comments and views, nobody has answered my original post

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Thank you. You deserve a grammy award my good man. The support is appreciated more than you know. Ill do my best and be sure to document my progress.
do you have a link for anything on Tao's build?

This post has been edited by Arturio55: Nov 15, 2014 - 1:17 PM

Oh, my bad. I forgot to link you to Tao.

https://m.facebook.com/profile.php?id=10000...ource=typeahead

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Just contacted him. Lol looks like he has the streetbrawler kit I plan on getting, so I guess im on the right track

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I fcking know what you said, all I was doing was letting you know what the limit of the ct20b is because you won't be able to reach your power goals with it.