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Topic #96128 23 posts Started by joaquin
Smaay
#2
you are in CA, no it wont work and you wont pass SMOG
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joaquin
#3
LIKE YOU SAID IM IN CALIFORNIA. You pay someone trust me it'll pass no matter what lol I don't pass smog as it is now.
But thanks for your comment I wasn't asking if I passed or not I was asking if it worked.
Bitter
#4
I thought that S and G heads have different bolt patterns?
2000 Celica GTS 'slowest gts evar'1998 Mazda 626 FS-DE/CD4-E
joaquin
#5
I was reading and some people say it'll work and some don't that's why I'm a little confused and thought I'd ask.
mi645
#6
i know that the 3d gen headers fit a 91-92 mr2 with a 5sfe, im not sure if the head pattern is the same up from 94-99 celica compared to the mr2. someone would need to confirm.
trdproven
#7
They are both S motors so it should fit, pretty sure. in terms of the flange piece on the manifold, im not sure if there is any mods needed just to grind some material off but thats minor.

but it looks like you'll have to reconnect it to the exhaust
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joaquin
#8
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QUOTE (trdproven @ Oct 13, 2015 - 6:24 PM) *
>They are both S motors so it should fit, pretty sure. in terms of the flange piece on the manifold, im not sure if there is any mods needed just to grind some material off but thats minor.

but it looks like you'll have to reconnect it to the exhaust


By reconnect to the exhaust what exactly do you mean ?
BonzaiCelica
#9
I could of told you all the nick nacs in the pm. He means it won't bolt up to the rest of your exhause system. You'll need a shop to do it unless your pro welder
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joaquin
#10
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QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Oct 13, 2015 - 7:36 PM) *
>I could of told you all the nick nacs in the pm. He means it won't bolt up to the rest of your exhause system. You'll need a shop to do it unless your pro welder

Thanks man that's all I needed. I'm thinking of getting this mostl likely I will just to see something different.
Smaay
#11
if you want a header so bad, just get the Ebay special.
2001 Celica GT-S Turbo1997 Supra TT 6speed1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap1990 Celica All-Trac
joaquin
#12
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QUOTE (Smaay @ Oct 14, 2015 - 8:20 AM) *
>if you want a header so bad, just get the Ebay special.

I'm alright with that's thanks.
trdproven
#13
the ebay header i've had on for 4 years, your cars just n/a i assume so you shouldn't have issues with the ebay ones. You may need to wrap it due to the heat it produces or get it coated. this way it bolts on directly.

This post has been edited by trdproven: Oct 14, 2015 - 5:59 PM
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joaquin
#14
It is an n.a but I do have cams inside with a port and polish.
That's why I want a good exhaust if not I would be more then happy to stick with an eBay one.
Don't wanna sounds like a jerk but it sucks how you ask for help and everyone just tries to push you a way from the 5sfe that motor with cams a tune and the suspension done doesn't feel bad specially if the car is just used as a daily.
Ima swap the motor out one day but when you have a few 5sfe''s laying a around **** why not play with them whlile you can lol.
Smaay
#15
because it is a 5S. so its P&P and has cams, adding a header will gain you maybe 3 HP? you asked if the 3S-FE or 3S-GE header would bolt up. while the header might bolt up, nothing else will. and it might interfere with the AC compressor, i dont know. the Ebay header has been proven to fit and work.

after all that, its still a 5S and NA. dont expect much
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BonzaiCelica
#16
I just believe these engines and cars are so old why not swap a motor Into it. I had a 7afe and put a full exhaust on it. Was fun for a little but nothing compared to a swap.
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mi645
#17
its ok a cammed 5sfe will pass smog but not 3sge. everyone knows that, especially in cali headers on a 5sfe and cams = 100% smog legal, it will be fun when they put the sniffer on it even if its obd1!
good luck with ur build! not giving advice or opinions to anyone, do what u want. go buy the header and make it fit u will gain at least 3hp like smaay said, 3hp=100 dollar per horse lol
joaquin
#18
Lol when everyone tells you not to do something sure makes you think twice Hahah. Well at least I got an answer thanks a lot
I'll just save up for a swap and enjoy my 5s while I can.

trdproven
#19
5s header is dirt cheap at ~80 bucks. Even if it doesn't add much, combine that with your cams, headers, bigger midpipe, and exhaust, and intake, plugs, wires, and if you can add performance clutch, you will have a decent daily
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Smaay
#20
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QUOTE (trdproven @ Oct 19, 2015 - 5:07 PM) *
>5s header is dirt cheap at ~80 bucks. Even if it doesn't add much, combine that with your cams, headers, bigger midpipe, and exhaust, and intake, plugs, wires, and if you can add performance clutch, you will have a decent daily



so you spent 500-600 bucks for 6-7 HP, totally worth it!
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trdproven
#21
I know what you're saying smaay, bang for buck, when compared to turbo, its not all that. But when you consider a car thats not worth being turboed or they have no plans for turbo, many cars go through the N/A build. These are just upgrades from stock, and you could still use them for a turbo project so its not a waste of money - theres growth.

I dont think his goal is turbo at the moment. the only thing you would lose from ALL these parts i listed, if you go turbo on a 5s would be the headers (which is essentially the cheapest part on the list) and you could use everything else still.

This post has been edited by trdproven: Oct 20, 2015 - 7:59 PM
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doory100
#22
I just spent alot of time money and work on my 5s. Cams, ebay header, apexi neo, port polish, shaving the head, custom intake manifold ect... not to mention lapping valves is a bitch especially with the valve setup on a toyota. I really may have gained about 15hp but it was not noticeable. now Im swapping in a v6 1mz. which is what I should have done in the first place and it would have cost the same or less and doubled the HP... Just saying the 5s is not worth the effort unless you got cash to blow. But then why would you waste you time.
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ILoveMySilly97
#23
If you want a header for the 5sfe. The best bang for your buck would be the Aussie header. Its designed for a 5sfe and for a celica. I think 5th gen but you can always modify the downpipe. The reason why I say its the best bang for the buck is because it'll cost $200-$300 but its 4-2-1 header style. My Buddie has it on his 5th gen in the bay area and he loves it. He says it feels a lot more torquier. And he hates the eBay header BTW. He prefers the 3rd rev 5sfe header(no cat) from the late model camrys. Lol.
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