^lol, that's a marketing gimmick. that car's just gonna sit there and rot some more and draw people into the dealership.

whoever's dumb enough to pay that much for one is probably some rich collector that doesn't drive cars anyways and uses as a conversation piece at dinner parties. lol

i sense a lot of jealousy here.

the M2 competition with 405 hp in a 6spd or maybe the dual clutch sells for 60k....

Engineering Explained YouTube video covering the engine.

For whatever reason, I can't stand that guy....

He talks like Chuckee2009 or whatever, also super annoying to listen to.

You know, I can actually stomach Chuckee2009 for his shorter videos. I just refuse to click on anything that EE puts out. Maybe I just know too many engineers like him, but even in the B is for Build SEMA video, when they're all hanging out drinking, I couldn't stand him.

And the jealousy goes on

Rev up your BMW Toyota!!!! Jordan loves Scotty...

BEEmeryota..... bada booom

Interesting.

https://youtu.be/_jbyzmtgU_0

all the video confirmed what i knew, its a rebadged bmw, toyota supervised, but bmw did all the work,

This new supra is a Geo/ChevyNova/Saab/Cavalier.


sad....

Did we watch the same video? Nothing in the video is confirmed as fact but it all aligns with what I’ve read from other sources with just a bit more detail. Essentially BMW built the B58, Toyota was dissatisfied with it and revised it. I’m certain that it’s still largely BMW but they wouldn’t allow various components to go into production. It’s been common knowledge for a while that Toyota did their own suspension and engine tuning, so don’t expect the ECU reflashes that BMW owners get to enjoy but Toyota have been saying all along that this car is more Toyota than the “experts” on Facebook say it is. This car is more Toyota than the 86 is. Still more BMW in it than we’d all like (timing at the back of the engine, really?) but we all know that the most conservative car company in the world isn’t going to risk their reputation of reliability over a low production sports car so it’ll be interesting to see what all they’ve changed. Crossing our fingers for replacing the plastic in the cooling system.

Let’s face it, we all want new Toyota sports cars. Toyota has no interest in building sports cars at all so without other manufacturers, we get nothing and if this car is the same sales flop that the mkIV was, we’ll likely never get another sports car for a long time, never mind one actually engineered by Toyota so we all need this car to be a success. I’m not saying I’ll be first in line to buy one but I’m not totally upset by the car either. Everyone is quick to forget that the Supra was always competition for the Nissan Z cars, never the GTR. Toyota was never ever ever going to give us anything even remotely comparable to a GTR or C7 Corvette, especially not something wearing a Toyota badge. This car was always going to slated under the RC-F so it’s surprising that it does the 0-60 sprint quicker than the RC-F. Some people like to point out that the RC-F Or LC500 should have been the new Supra but the thing is, the RC-F is a nice GT car, and the LC500 is just a pretty coupe and kind of awful as a sports car. Either one would require a ton of work to be up to the job that the new Supra does so I can see where Toyota chose to engineer the car alongside BMW rather than try to reengineer one of the Lexus platforms. There’s no doubt that it will be fun to drive, we just have to wait and see how reliable the car is.

Let’s be honest, if this car was badged as anything other than a Supra, everyone would be losing their minds over it. If the mkIV was re-released today exactly as it was in 1993 like everyone wants, it would be the laughingstock of the sports car world.

Didn’t mean to make this post so lengthy.

TL;DR, Toyota was not impressed with the B58 and reengineered parts of it, and we all need this car to not suck.

Burros & chariots are fairly reliable.

Finding out the differences of the engine will be interesting.

If I heard correctly in that video, the engines will be the same. Toyota just subjected the new designed BMW engine to the rigors of the Toyota durability validation process.

So it should be at least as reliable as a toyota engineered engine.

This post has been edited by bloodMoney: Feb 5, 2019 - 8:16 AM

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That's what I got out of it as well. It's a BMW engine, re-engineered by Toyota to be up to their standards. My question is, is BMW using the Toyota-engineered engine in their other cars or will it strictly be the Z4 that gets the Toyota variant? Or will BMW be using that variant at all? It looks like there's still a lot of plastic bits all around the engine which kind of sucks, since we all know the plastic parts of the BMW cooling systems suck. It seems odd that Toyota would test every bolt and rivet in the B58 and revise as necessary then still leave the plastic in the cooling system.

Another concern- Toyota did their own suspension tuning and designed their own interior, yet they raided the BMW parts bin for everything. Was any of that revised to meet Toyota's standards? I have a feeling only the engine was re-engineered but I'm left questioning to what extent.

Toyota also did their own engine tuning. So does that mean that we will be getting a Toyota ECU that can't be reflashed like BMW ECU's or will it have a BMW ECU that Toyota tuned? In other words, will it be easy to get an ECU reflash for more power or will we be stuck going with standalones?

These are all things that I think about while not being able to afford one at all. I might be interested in picking one up several years from now after it's known how they handle and how reliable they are but in the meantime I'll stick to classic Toyotas that cost me a fortune.

Toyota also closed the block for strength.

From a cost standpoint, it was cheaper to raid the BMW bin and tweak it as they go. If they went from complete scratch for EVERYTHING, you're probably looking at a car with a $100K price tag. New NSX isn't doing all that great with that 6-figure tag and that was built basically from scratch. R35 GT-R is at the 6-figure mark now as well.

I'm gonna assume the ECU is gonna be BMW with some Toyota touches.

meh....

Ill drive this in the mean time...

Nice! RHD MKIII

I like it!

it came with surprise gremlins, it was auctioned as inspected and ready. Im having to work on the car, sadly

What kind of gremlins? Nothing too serious, I hope.

really makes me wonder about these "inspections" that all these JDM cars go through. Gonna be fun to see GT-Four owners and what gremlins they'll find.

No headlights, no heater, no wiper, no spare tire, dirty air filter, and so on. Long story....

Fixed headlight issue. Next remove all Japanese crap unnecessary gadgets

New Supra ain't even out yet and they already swapping the 2JZ into them.

Has anyone else been watching the news for these cars? Looks like Toyota understated them again. 0-60 in 3.8 seconds, 1/4 mile in 12.3 seconds, 1.07g on the skidpad, all on street tires. Still not buying one because broke, but it looks like it actually will be a truly good sports car unlike the RC-F or lame (although beautiful) LC500.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a27452748...o-test-numbers/

And when adjusted for inflation, roughly $20,000 to 30,000 less than the Mk4 Supra cost too!

And when comparing current prices, it's the same or less.

If only they had a manual as an option, outside of that I like it.

I appreciate the specs, but it's just a BMW... I've watched a bunch of the new YouTube videos on the car and I'm still not convinced that I like it. IF Toyota revamps the Celica, I really hope they don't partner with anyone (other than Yamaha).