http://www.cianciusa.com/photos/cfhatch/

this is a parent directory for pictures of the supra hatch by RYAN....its shows ths weave quality ect.....

CIANCI Ryan: I saw the Hatch thread
SrPlaYR158: yea
SrPlaYR158: saw all the recent posts about infusing and stuff
CIANCI Ryan: I did
SrPlaYR158:
mmk
CIANCI Ryan: There are going to be lil snags on infusion
CIANCI Ryan: any company that does CF has snags or some zig zag in the weave
SrPlaYR158: yea, but they wanna make sure that it doesn't standout too much
SrPlaYR158: or that they arn't very big
CIANCI Ryan: http://cianciperformance.com/exterior/hatc...eaveupclose.JPG
CIANCI Ryan: thats what the weave will look like
SrPlaYR158: mmk
SrPlaYR158: thats pretty good i link that picture tonight for them
SrPlaYR158: and another big thing that they were big about is a dis-satisfatction, imperfection return/exchange deal
CIANCI Ryan: they can return it, but we dont refund or pay for shipping to return the item for the refund unless it was a obvious mistake that we made
SrPlaYR158: yea i/ we can deal with shipping on returns
CIANCI Ryan: we have pretty normal body part policy
CIANCI Ryan: same as other vendors
SrPlaYR158: mmk
SrPlaYR158: and lets talk about infusion price and shipping
SrPlaYR158: i'm pretty sure you saw that part of the discussion
CIANCI Ryan: I did
CIANCI Ryan: I dont honestly think you guys need infusion
CIANCI Ryan: and it would take us longer to complete the deal if we infused them all
SrPlaYR158: yea thats not a problem for us......the thing with these guys is we can understand time
SrPlaYR158: but they are HUGE on quality and such
SrPlaYR158: and even though the tag is more
SrPlaYR158: the weight, quality and look ect...
SrPlaYR158: is what they want
CIANCI Ryan: Our quality is above what you will ever get from VIS GTP.. etc..
SrPlaYR158: yea
SrPlaYR158: i dont' doubt your quality
CIANCI Ryan: im uploading another pic for ya
SrPlaYR158: mkm
SrPlaYR158: but do you think that you'd be able to work close to 850$ as the guys have stated
CIANCI Ryan: 850 shipped?
SrPlaYR158: yea they are really hard on that, i mean since the supra hatch is 880$ and basically the only reason most these guys are in is cause its a GB which tries to get the price below
CIANCI Ryan: http://www.cianciusa.com/photos/cfhatch/
CIANCI Ryan: you can check out the quality in the underside photos, its a show quality part all around, rolled edged, flushed seams, and polished out top and bottom
CIANCI Ryan: I was saying before if we can get 15 people, 600 + 155sh
CIANCI Ryan: non infused
SrPlaYR158: yea well i think what i'm goin to be able to offer you is 10 people, infused
CIANCI Ryan: Yeah, its not really worth it for us, we are swamped with orders
CIANCI Ryan: and it cost a lot to build a quality mold
SrPlaYR158: 8500$ your not interested in?
CIANCI Ryan: its not 8500 worth of orders, it takes time and money to build a mold
CIANCI Ryan: if I already had a mold done sure it would be great
CIANCI Ryan: or you guys sent me a mold that was quality
SrPlaYR158: like probably the most one of us could do is lay a decent 5 layer fiberglass exterior
SrPlaYR158: MAYBE
SrPlaYR158: like interior i don't even think anyone has the time to do
SrPlaYR158: probably not the experience either
CIANCI Ryan: it takes a lot of time
CIANCI Ryan: let me find a picture
CIANCI Ryan: of what our molds look like
SrPlaYR158: mmk
CIANCI Ryan: http://cianciperformance.com/teaserphotos/...blemoldhood.JPG
CIANCI Ryan: thats part of a plug.. just getting ready to make a mold
SrPlaYR158: nice
SrPlaYR158: cut out?
CIANCI Ryan: hmm, brb, I must have deleted all my mold pics
CIANCI Ryan: ill take one
SrPlaYR158: k
CIANCI Ryan: http://www.cianciusa.com/photos/cfhatch/tablemold.JPG
CIANCI Ryan: thats the quality of our molds
CIANCI Ryan: 12" flange for Vacuum infusion/ Light RTM
CIANCI Ryan: and im not trying to make bank off you guys, but there is a lot that is involved in making a new product
CIANCI Ryan: Mold / Drill fixtures / material patterns
CIANCI Ryan: etc..
SrPlaYR158: true, and in turn we arn't trying to rob you but we're not trying to spend a grand
CIANCI Ryan: yeah
CIANCI Ryan: at 600 bucks for 15 people
CIANCI Ryan: I will do it
CIANCI Ryan: but, I just cant justify it if there isnt 15 people
CIANCI Ryan: with the other orders we take
SrPlaYR158: infused?
CIANCI Ryan: thats hand laid carbon
CIANCI Ryan: even if its infused, the carbon is hand laid in the mold
SrPlaYR158: yea
SrPlaYR158: give me a price on infused
CIANCI Ryan: I honestly dont think I could do it
CIANCI Ryan: because of how long it takes to infuse them
CIANCI Ryan: (wait material wise)
CIANCI Ryan: id imagine your hatch will still only weigh around 12-14lbs non infused
SrPlaYR158: mmk
SrPlaYR158: and will the quality differ?
SrPlaYR158: between?
CIANCI Ryan: it wont be as light, but no the quality will still be very high
CIANCI Ryan: the only diffrence is the infusion process uses less resin, and makes the part lighter
SrPlaYR158: mmkk well i'll post this up on the forum and you can view the responses, and i'll talk to you about it
CIANCI Ryan: Sounds good, I hope I dont sound mean about it
CIANCI Ryan: I do want your business
CIANCI Ryan: but, I just cant justify it knowing what all goes into it
CIANCI Ryan: a lot of people can talk, and say they will do it, but when we give our word we hold true to it
CIANCI Ryan: thats why, I am picky about what we do
CIANCI Ryan: esp. with our current orders
SrPlaYR158: yea
SrPlaYR158: i understand i run business to and i know about people talking and not walking
CIANCI Ryan: yeah
SrPlaYR158: but i follow through too, when i say 10 i'll give you 10 and 15 i'll give you 15
CIANCI Ryan: yeah, but its not worth it for us to do it for 10 people
SrPlaYR158: yea i understand
CIANCI Ryan: I have close to 50 orders for our hoods
CIANCI Ryan: with no GB
CIANCI Ryan: and 10+ for our fenders
CIANCI Ryan: more for gauge pods etc..
CIANCI Ryan: when I make a mold I usually plan on running 100-300 parts off of it
CIANCI Ryan: if not more
CIANCI Ryan: Im just banking that once other people see your guys hatch they will also want one
CIANCI Ryan: for the celica
SrPlaYR158: yea i don't doubt that, we have people all over the world reading that forum
SrPlaYR158: and many of us who get it, go to shows
CIANCI Ryan: yeah
CIANCI Ryan: exactly
CIANCI Ryan: thats what I am banking on
SrPlaYR158: like i have HID this saturday
SrPlaYR158: i'm not showing cause i found out to late and i have a few more things to fix before i enter
CIANCI Ryan: but with our current projects lined up, and current orders, I would need atleast 15 people confirmed, to put your guys hatch into production, and take down another project for awhile
SrPlaYR158: yea
SrPlaYR158: i'll try and get them
CIANCI Ryan: ok
SrPlaYR158: and let you know when
CIANCI Ryan: just let me know..
SrPlaYR158: oh and if i have like 3 hatches to one addy with shipping be cheaper?
CIANCI Ryan: yup
SrPlaYR158: ok

he says high quality a lot, but yet it makes it seems like there's bound to be mistakes in it...
we want quality without the "mistakes"
as for 15, i can understand, but it seems like they aren't that big of a company...i think there's like 5 things to buy from them, then sunroofs(not sure those are their make), but yea. 15 is kinda high, it's like what ViS would ask(im hoping they'll go for 10).

anyways. plz just find out a bit more, i'll either call around later today or tomorrow, but i have a pounding headache right now so ima go pass out

well from what i gather, is that there will be samll mistakes in anything carbonfiber, due to its handlaid........and yea he's not a big company

but see what VIS says and we'll figure it out

so are you possibly still in for this?
Without you in im kinda shaky on going w/ him, just because i am >>

im sure the hood wont be done for some time, and as for his 15ppl rule...Does he realize that us Celica ppl wait near-years for our parts?

i don't think he realizes how into things we are and we don't mind the oh year or so wait for the new things cause they are rare when it happens......but what did VIS say?

i'm not 100% sure if i will be in cause i wanna turbo badly, and my engine needs a head job before i do that >> but if we can get a company for 600$ then i'd be in for it 100% so consynx work on VIS >>

also if we get a small company (other than RYAN) we can keep the production limited to teh 15 of us or so >> >>

i know i company that i can talk to but i don't think they can do hatches right now cuz their machine isn't big enough he said he can do anything aslong as its not as wide as a hood, but i'll ask

its' as wide as a hood >>

but the Mighty Mos _ _ _ (TI if you read this you better get it!)
has some news for ya.

Very good news.......
Important Info about new Pricing and Options
should be up soon
You guys are gonna like this

I have a couple friends who have carbon fiber stuff from vis and gtp and a couple other places and there are small inperfections in all of them...nothin too big but slight pulls or zigzags...so we really cant put too much weight on it being.."perfect" because it isn't go to be no matter who we go with....expecially for the price were lookin at....if you want "perfect" for a hatch u'll be lookin at a couple thousand daollars...
Derek

take your time guys. my bank is bending me over at the moment. i'm still in for now, but the longer this is delayed the better chance i'll have of being in on this.

don't worry, im guessing you'll be in this no matter what...

btw, how many people do we have now?

What is the price that all of you think is fair/great.

im Sure that $600 shipped is attainable as i am finding out that the way most co's make it they charge $450 originally.
So yea, if shipping is like $150, what price do you think we should aim for shipped? Regular $600ish is lower?

hmmm what company are we talking about here VIS?

lol, i didn't say play McGuiver(sp)
just gimme a good price

yo dan, talk to the guy about CF trunks for coupe and convertibles bro!!! help us little people out too man!!

haha i think 600$ isn't too bad but if they start at 450$ from x company i say 400$

one trunk at a time

question, are we still gonna have the third brake light ?

JW
DEF

hmmm i dunno thats a good idea

Taking over next page

This post has been edited by Consynx: Oct 21, 2004 - 11:09 AM

muahahahahaha

This post has been edited by Consynx: Oct 21, 2004 - 11:10 AM

bad idea, it would take away some of the beautiful C/F and yea...

sleek = no lights >>
although just like a spoiler, if you want it you can put it in there, but it'd take some work


okay...
DRUMROLL PLEASE!

i have decided to post what i have so far...and some of it is sad.

JSP - They never called me back, but said they would.
-Though my phone had no signal for some of the day.
-maybe i'll call later today.

CIANCI - They will do $845 for 10 hoods
-This Price DOES Include Shipping
-Should take approx. 5 Months
-Two-to-Three layers of CF on top

ViS Racing - They will do $450 for 15 hoods and $500 for 10 ppl.
-This Price Does NOT Include Shipping
-This is a fiberglass mold w/ CF overlay
-Based on the hood, approx. 7 Months
-No clue on layers, but I will ask before process begins

Import Fan - They will do $600 for 10 hoods
-This Price DOES Include Shipping
-This is a fiberglass mold w/ CF Overlay
-No clue on Time(didn't figure it an issue)
-No clue on layers(same as above, figured 1 layer was enough)

I still have to talk to two more places,
Carbon By Design, and ABS.

Please start to form an idea of who you want to go with.

I'm down with Vis or Import fan.

I like the prices......

import fan is my vote

well my vote depends on whos has more quality, will it be hand lain and infused or what, what garentees as far as fitment do we have, will it be all shaved (no holes for w/w, spoiler) in other words is it going to be just like the one we have been talking about or different and if different how so.

also why don't you guys ask these companys about a price cut if we put there deals on out cars, somewhat of a sponsership (not full), i mean if someone is getting a cf hatch they most likely don't have a stock car and if they do they probably won't for long.

just a suggestion.

and oh yeah i vote no light too

This post has been edited by celicaracer18: Oct 22, 2004 - 1:24 AM

i'm voting ViS only because i plan on ordering a hood from them in the future. i figure it would be made with the same concept of the hood, and there wouldn't be any color difference between them. plus it's a nice price.

-celicaracer18+Oct 21, 2004 - 11:23 PM

bump you bums

EDIT: do you guys really want me to ask around?
I have thought about it, and we've dealt with ViS before, and none have with Import Fan yet.

I figured everyone would pick ViS after we realized it is a good price(compared to others) and since we've already been working with them, to continue.

but if you have doubts about them, please let me know and i will follow through
i am sorry i have not been around much lately, i had two tests last thurs, and 1 tomorrow...so i've been on and off of here quickly

This post has been edited by Consynx: Oct 24, 2004 - 11:21 PM

i don't doubt vis i have their fenders and body kit >> >> >> >> >>

but yea lets see what VIS has to offer!

okay fools, since the only person who said other than ViS has changed his mind, i am going to call and get all the info as soon as Ralph96GT(at least i think it's him) picks up his hood and installs it, i want to make sure fitment is perfect, or damn near it

we are NOT going with importfan:
http://www.everythingcelica.com/ubbthreads...html#1870235252