wow, that's really great man. I am actually surprised though. the 7a with 8lbs puts down about 170whp, or that was my impression... Granted, it can't touch that torque though. >>

9.5:1 i thought it was 10.5:1 once again, i guess you can't go off of information from other websites.

anyways, an engine isn't an engine if it isn't reliable.

and what is this i hear about the cams then
they're supposedly at 22.3 degrees, and i use to be under the impression that that was their angle from the valves perp.
if it's their lift, then once again, the SAME site has me believing what is wrong.

what ever happened to Webcams? their price was going up last i saw

This post has been edited by Consynx: Nov 7, 2004 - 7:27 PM

If you get a piggy back it will do alot more than what you can do right now.Your ecu wont let your car do what u want it to because of maps and other stuff.If you really want to go hard core do what I did and get a AEM wide band o2 and tune it in to the T.

This post has been edited by celicaspeed: Nov 7, 2004 - 8:46 PM

Good stuff. Excellent numbers... what I'd expect from a well tuned 5SFTE at 13 psi. As for those who are arguing... you've yet to express any real indication that you really know what you're arguing about (you might know a bit... but you've yet to hit the nail on the head)... so I'm not gonna say nothing to you guys. All I'll say is... compression is pretty mild so that's not a huge threat so long as you don't take shortcuts. The reason the 5S can make that sort of power boosted is because of the OVERALL design. Apply those big torque numbers from forced induction to the HP equation and you'll get big HP numbers also. There's more... so until you ask... I'll let the other guys try to figure it out... ;]

I just read Itchy's last post on the first page

Just cause I think I know what I'm talking about - and I'm sure Kwanza will burn the hell out of me if I dont >> ...

I believe you have to have a twin entry manifold to accept the twin entry turbo. And vice versa. If you have a single entry supra turbo now and you get a mr2 twin - then I believe you have to do something about that manifold. Flame away if I'm wrong.

-Ti

God I suck at spelling

This post has been edited by turboinduction: Nov 7, 2004 - 9:25 PM

u guys i have plans for the 5sfte. i want to push it to its limits. im doing supra valves 1mm oversized. with shimless s2000 retainers, an supra valve springs. web cams (once i find extra 5sfe cams to send out) . piston and rods. larger injectors a better igniti0n system and a nitrous 35 spool shot. if i can find a cheap T3 id get one. its a work in progres for me and always has. eventually do stand alone ecu. its all what i can save from working at a grocery store and doing the labor myself. im only 18 >>
i know ibwilsons 5sfte is gunna be amazing i can wait to see that complete.

ok heres the deal about manifolds. yes and no. i had a twin entry going into my single turbo BUT before i put it on i ground out the devider and making a nice swirl for the swirl to travel. but to use that new twin entry turob im getting ill either find a new manifold. or weld in a devider were i took it out.

This post has been edited by x_itchy_b_x: Nov 7, 2004 - 9:36 PM

-x_itchy_b_x+Nov 8, 2004 - 2:29 AM

This is muscle car knowledge coming out, try to find cams that have sat in a junkyard and have "rust" all over it. They'll be much much harder than a normally clean cam. my .02 cents

my theory is this....if slaping on a turbo, retarding timing and changing the fuel tuning was all that was needed to make a realiable turbo motor, then toyota would have put the 5sfTe into the alltrac, running stock alltrac boost of 7-11psi.

itcyb, dont take this as a diss against your project. i have a lot of respect for the tuning you have done on your car. keep up the good work!

but isnt the 3sge is the same as a 3sgte right?? why didnt toyota jsut slap n a turbo to that? and retard the timing wiht larger fuel... thats all u'd have to do.. but they didnt because not every car they put out is gunna be a 200 hp fast car. the 5sfe goal was torque with low emissions and gas milage. also kwanza what are we missing man dont hold out.

its good to see that the guys putting on turbos and not just swaping are getting pretty good numbers. its been said before put i also think anything above 250 whp on a fwd is a waste but thats me.

-x_itchy_b_x+Nov 8, 2004 - 3:56 PM

lol, Neverstop...i liked the comment

this is a lil bit of an uglier post.

Kwanza i think you did leave out the idea that even though pound for pound the 5S will always outpower, that to get to the next level it might cost more for the 5S.

such as once you want to pass 15psi, the 5S needs more than the 3S
correct me if i am wrong though...

i wish they just would have imported the GT4 >>

nice add nik

Also, you're saying life and death with the 5s-fte, well, how about a 5s-fze, supercharged. What happens there. For starters, which one is worse on the engine? And spill the rest of the info kwanza on the supercharger route

-spunky393+Nov 9, 2004 - 12:14 AM

-Kwanza26+Nov 8, 2004 - 5:29 PM

-lagos+Nov 9, 2004 - 12:40 AM

um...15psi is the limit of the stock ct26 turbo, not the motor.

lookup JekylandHyde on mr2oc.com...he is running 23psi on an unopened motor with 200,000 miles on it.

my final point: dont knock the 3sgte, its a great motor and well worth the upgrade.

on that note, i give up. people can argue this back and forth forever.

-lagos+Nov 9, 2004 - 3:13 AM

http://www.jekylhyderacing.com/HydeMods.htm


Hydes 351hp dyno run
http://www.jekylhyderacing.com/images/hyde_351_dyno.mpg


tons of race videos
http://www.jekylhyderacing.com/HydePhotos.htm

This post has been edited by lagos: Nov 8, 2004 - 11:01 PM

since this is running out
what is the max output of the 3S on stock internals...
I was trying to compare the SR to the 3S, and although the 3S is supposed to rein supreme, now there's numberous people saying the SR can handle well over 500 on stock internals...

im wondering where this is coming from

hmm... i never said my car was one of a kind or anything like that, but as far as celicas go, its a very rare car. the 3sgte swap is still a new thing and there are only a few of them out there. so, yes, my car is great!

since you decided to go on a presonal attack... i always hear you brag about what you had, but never see u have anything to prove it. "i had awd" "i had a 3sgte" etc.. sorry, but i dont really believe any of it.


back on topic....

You guys are arguing based on opinion...

Lagos... Hyde has a lot of mods done... His is the highest boost levels I've heard of with the stock block... so I am impressed... but the money he's put in along with his means of doing things (very fuel safe) makes your argument weak. It's not within comparison to a 5SFTE. Apples and Oranges... I have a couple of buddies in town that build MR2 turbos for a living, and from my experience... I don't think boosting a stock block 3SGTE like that is a very good idea... I've seen 3SGTE's fry pistons at pretty modest boost levels... but I'm open to the idea. I just would like for you not to take some dude's word for it so easily. Let me put it this way... would you max out the boost on your car and drive it daily?

Again lagos... I'm not arguing whether or not a 5SFE is as strong as a 3SGTE... that's a no brainer. I'm just saying... most people boost their cars to modest levels (10psi max?) and that no way justifies the idea that "they wasted their time" and "they should have done a swap"... Like I mentioned before... how many Celica people who have swapped 3SGTEs have built up their 3SGTEs? Not many if any... people who have problems with custom turbos almost always take shortcuts... but that doesn't mean it'll happen so long as you're safe about it.