can ne1 find a decent link? i cant


NM found it on espn.com

This post has been edited by Pali_playa: Nov 21, 2004 - 2:26 PM

-LuDaChRiS+Nov 21, 2004 - 8:46 AM

Artest and Wallace were both acting a little immaturely, letting their frustrations get the better of them. There's no question that Wallace overreacted, but what was the point of Artest commiting that flagrant foul? In the replay it clearly shows that he pushed the back of Wallace's head when Wallace was going up for the bucket. There's 42 seconds left, just let it go, there's no reason for that foul. As Big Ben said, "There aint no 15 point shot". That foul was Artest being Artest showing his immaturity and lack of self control that the league has witnessed in his time playing in the NBA. If there's one thing positive that came out of this brawl it is... THE BAD BOYS ARE BACK IN DETROIT! >>

This post has been edited by CBawlla: Nov 21, 2004 - 3:14 PM

-boosted_K2+Nov 21, 2004 - 12:28 AM

anywhere that serves alcohol has limits. but i dont know about your city but most bartenders don't actually watch for this thing.
-CBawlla+Nov 21, 2004 - 2:08 PM
Correction: The bad boys are out of the NBA. I wouldn't be proud if some Bucks players did this. This is a disgrace.

in any other job all of the people involved would have been fired- i dont see why this should be any different

how much would that suck though? you can get a job somewhere else when you get fired. what are these "professionals" going to do now? i just hope they didn't buy too much bling bling and too many escalades cuz now they might have to go into the real world.

i think the NBA did a good job thus far in handing out punishments

Wallace got 6 games (and probably will get a fine later on) for the push to artests face, which is pretty basic for that type of over reaction.

artest is out for the season, probably will get a fine, and will deal with the legal bull**** that is the detroit DA's office.

jackson got 30 games, plus dealing with the Detroit legal branch, he'll probably have some civil cases brought against him more than anything criminal.

oneal got 25 games, probably a fine later on, and will probably get hit pretty big financially by that one guy he decked in the face.

and im sure a handful or 2 of the fans will get some criminal and civil charges brought up against them, not to mention loosing whatever season or partial season tickets they were holding.

i think so far the NBA has done a good job of not blowing it out of proportion, but dealing with it appropriately.

im just looking forward to next season when artest gets back and they play detroit again >>

i think the penalties are too light. screw them getting a slap on a wrist.

I think that guy will be sueing the crap out of Artest.

I really hope the fans involved get severe punishments as well, like being banned from NBA games for 5 years to life. They need to be held accountable just as much as the players were.

-LuDaChRiS+Nov 21, 2004 - 8:30 PM
but the guy he attacked wasnt the guy that threw the cup, that guy ran off, he was just standing there laughing

-chucho+Nov 21, 2004 - 6:34 PM

Not that one fan, its been proven that he didn't do anything. In fact, this video shows who was the one. I'm talking about him (dude in the white hat), the guys on the court, and anyone shown to be throwing crap onto the court.

BTW, does anyone know how Anthony Johnson got 5 games? I swear I didn't see him at all in any video clip.

The players getting one game suspensions...for peace keeping???? BS

It's been said in other forums, since the Pacers players got hosed, why not fine the Piston fans by having the next 5 Piston home games be played in an empty arena? A little extreme, i know, but since the Commish is on this "send a message, make an example" power trip, why not?

IMO, Artest got screwed, based on his rep. I mean, Sprewell got the season for choking his coach unprovoked. That should mean something. Jackson got what he deserved. O'Neal...I think he got a bit too much...15-20 would of been my call. Wallace...lucked out, deserved 8-10.

lol the guys that got hit are gonna be Paid

the one game suspensions were NOT for entering the stands or "peace keeping" the one game suspensions were for people leaving the bench during the original confrontation between wallace and artest. it had nothing to do with the crowd brawl.

that's what happens when you have too much testosterone and not enough gray matter.

gotta love big stupid rich guys... well, slightly poorer soon, but rich all the same. >>

Good. The dude that threw the beer at Artest had it coming. Fans come to sporting events thinking that they're all invincible and think they can get away from anything. I'm glad that Artest punched the a** with the glasses. He was talkin sh*t the entire time at Artest and his eyeballs nearly popped out of his sockets when he saw Artest charging at him...BUT i think Artest was also WAY outta control and deserves to be suspended for the rest of the season. Fans like that deserve that. TOTALLY uncalled for on both sides.

Johnson might have been the guy who came flying into a fan after artest knocked him down on the court(looks like he was falling though)

-Consynx+Nov 22, 2004 - 12:42 AM

nah, the dude with the sliding M.Bison punch on the court was Jermaine O'Neal who got 25 games...unless youre talking about, i think there was another Pacer before O'Neal who pushed the guy or something...im not sure...

the sliding punch was amazing... lol i feel sorry for the guy who go knocked the f*** out... lol >> even the little smiley owned guy looks like him... gap toothed and a black eye... wewt.

-boosted_K2+Nov 21, 2004 - 11:47 PM

well what I meant, was that unless they tried to escalate the original players melee in the first place, then why should they be suspended also? I know how the rules are, like in hockey i know that if you leave the bench onto the ice during a fight its auto 10 games, but i'm pretty sure old injured Reggie Miller wasn't comin in to throw some bows around, yknow? It wouldn't be fair to the game to force well intentioned players to stand idly by while a brawl goes on 20 feet in front of them.

-Sh0gunkid8721+Nov 22, 2004 - 1:00 AM

I thought that the news said that the man Artest attackd was proven from the film they had to not have done anything- the guy who threw the beer took off after he threw it... Artest was punching him and yelling "you do it man?" or somthing like that... He definetly deserved the whole season suspention, at the least...

If I was there I woulda let those moron players have it
Who the hell do they think they are, biting the hand that feeds.

Man I was listening to the radio this morning on my way into work and they had the interview with Matt Lauer (sp?) on the Today Show interviewing Artest.

I'm sorry, but the guy is a complete moron. Either that or the camera and lights were getting to him. He couldn't even complete his sentences or make one rather. He kept avoiding all the questions that he asked him and he kept plugging in his CD! lol

His last line went something like this, "I know Ben Wallace lost a loved one, matter fact I lost a loved one too.....but um yeah buy my CD, ya'll have a great day". Not the quote exactly but it's basically what he said.

Did anyone else hear/see it?

Oh update, the cops have footage of the man that supposedly hurled that chair into the air. They now have a pic of the guy, and are looking to find him and question him.

damn, i didn't see a chair...footage i saw was weak

Mike, i dont think you'll be taking on a 6'1"+ pro athleet anytime soon >>

how about i saw an interview w/ the guy w/ the white hat saying he did nothing and such...psh

here's a tip for him:
When a player feels threatened enough to attack a fan, don't come up to him on HIS playing court wearing the opposing team's jersey.

damn idiot

-Consynx+Nov 23, 2004 - 8:49 AM


I'm 6'4 and 220lbs
I kickbox and I workout often, I'm sure it won't be much of a problem >>