doGGy

#1

Well, i was looking for an option for my car brakes... cuz they are $hity.....

And i did found one option, what is still better then stock brakes. It seems what ST165 has the same size brake disks, but it has dual brake pistons, witch would give us better and smother braking with them. So i bought a pair of used brake assemblys from ST165 and did a little test this weeken, and YES, they DO DIRECT BOLT ON. Nothing needs to be changed.

Here are few pics for ya:

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macavely

#2

DOGGY you did it againn.... nice find...

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Digndoug

#3

Would you know if the us 165 version would have dual piston? Also how much did they improve or help? Also im guessing that would be the 89 or so, alltrac?

This post has been edited by Digndoug: Aug 7, 2005 - 2:05 PM

doGGy

#4

Dunno about US version, but these came from All track ST165. About improvment - dont know yet, aint tested them.

I do know another thing what brake systems from ST185 bolt on directly on ST165 (rally guys with ST165 use ST185 disks and brakes cuz they are bigger, and everything fits nicly)

So i do think what ST185 brakes MIGHT fit ST as well without major problems...



-Digndoug+Aug 7, 2005 - 12:00 PM

QUOTE(Digndoug @ Aug 7, 2005 - 12:00 PM)

Would you know if the us 165 version would have dual piston? Also how much did they improve or help? Also im guessing that would be the 89 or so, alltrac?
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Coomer

#5

Crazy! I just realized this a couple days ago too. Here was my predicament and I tried the AT200 rotors and was surprised to find that they fit. >>

Unfortunately, I can't find pads for these calipers ANYWHERE.

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Batman722

#6

Doggy, did you just swap the calipers or the entire assemblies ?

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Coomer

#7

I didn't have to swap the whole assembly. I just swapped the caliper and caliper bracket.

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lagos

#8

i have a set of dual piston calipers for sale. they came off my jdm st185 clip.... so pm me if anyone want to do this conversion too.

for pads, cant u just use nromal alltrac pads?

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Coomer

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-lagos+Aug 7, 2005 - 5:55 PM

QUOTE(lagos @ Aug 7, 2005 - 5:55 PM)

i have a set of dual piston calipers for sale. they came off my jdm st185 clip.... so pm me if anyone want to do this conversion too.

for pads, cant u just use nromal alltrac pads?
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You can't use single-piston-caliper All-Trac pads...and that's all I found on my quest for brake pads today. I hit six different auto parts stores and nothing they had for the ST165 or ST185 fit.

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Galcobar

#10

Try
https://www.1sttoyotaparts.com/partscat.html
use the mechanical parts, brake components

They're attached to a Toyota dealership -- in Washington state, as a matter of fact -- so you can call them to check details, but the prices are the best I've found for Toyota parts.

This post has been edited by Galcobar: Aug 8, 2005 - 1:22 AM

Mr_E

#11

Nice job, but the brakes from the ST165 are, frankly, ****. Why on earth did you choose to fit them?

Most ST165 owners I know have moved to late spec ST185 brakes (single caliper), or aftermarket.

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playr158

#12

vote for sticky when tested?!@

playr158

#13

the US did have dual pods here are links

front left:(loaded)
http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductDetail....pe=5003&ptset=A

front right: (loaded)
http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductDetail....pe=5003&ptset=A

nik

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-playr158+Aug 10, 2005 - 12:45 PM

QUOTE(playr158 @ Aug 10, 2005 - 12:45 PM)

the US did have dual pods here are links

front left:(loaded)
http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductDetail....pe=5003&ptset=A

front right: (loaded)
http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductDetail....pe=5003&ptset=A
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links are not working i'm very interested in this swap keep us updated

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playr158

#15

works for me?!

just go to
www.partsamerica.com

toyota celica all trac 1989
calipers

(thats advanaced auto parts)

Coomer

#16

Interesting...they have the calipers on there, yet Autozone, Schucks, Carquest, and the non-chain local shops here can't find pads that fit them.

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playr158

#17

they have the pads on there too >>

Coomer

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-playr158+Aug 11, 2005 - 11:43 PM

QUOTE(playr158 @ Aug 11, 2005 - 11:43 PM)

they have the pads on there too >>
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They had plenty of pads for ST165s in stock at some of the stores I went to as well...but none of them came close to fitting the dual-piston calipers.

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playr158

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i ment on the website..... unless i'm seeing sumthing your not?!

Coomer

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-playr158+Aug 12, 2005 - 5:47 AM

QUOTE(playr158 @ Aug 12, 2005 - 5:47 AM)

i ment on the website..... unless i'm seeing sumthing your not?!
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Well, they're probably the same pads they have in Schucks, which didn't fit at all.

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playr158

#21

i'll check in person later this weekend

Defgeph

#22

I have ST185 single pot calipers and rotors on my AT200 front knuckles, they fit perfect.

I'll get you some pics in about a week.

DEF.

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JoKeRkId613

#23

And the post comes back to life!

So from what I understand, the ST185 Dual Piston calipers are better than the 165 Dual pistons. Has anyone been able to find brake pads for these yet? And Coomer, I don't know if this was before or after your post about the ST185s giving you problems. How did that end up? You got the brakes on? And let me know if you found the brake pads.

EDIT: How do you detach the brake line from the Caliper without breaking it? When I painted my calipers and the ones on my brother's tC, it seemed like it was hrard to get off. How would you take it off?

This post has been edited by JoKeRkId613: Nov 9, 2005 - 4:03 PM

Coomer

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-JoKeRkId613+Nov 9, 2005 - 1:01 PM

QUOTE(JoKeRkId613 @ Nov 9, 2005 - 1:01 PM)

And the post comes back to life!

So from what I understand, the ST185 Dual Piston calipers are better than the 165 Dual pistons. Has anyone been able to find brake pads for these yet? And Coomer, I don't know if this was before or after your post about the ST185s giving you problems. How did that end up? You got the brakes on? And let me know if you found the brake pads.

EDIT: How do you detach the brake line from the Caliper without breaking it? When I painted my calipers and the ones on my brother's tC, it seemed like it was hrard to get off. How would you take it off?
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They're the same calipers. Where did you hear that ST185 dual pistons are better than ST165 dual pistons?

And you remove the line with a special line wrench.

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JoKeRkId613

#25

ooo. lol. my mistake. i misread the information. i thought i read that some people switch the st165 calipers for st185 calipers. lol. did you ever find brake pads for it tho? coom, i coulda sworn you bought the st185 brakes from someone and claimed that they didnt fit or something like that? so all i would need are the calipers and break pads and these will work on ym at200, right? what about the rear st185/165 disc breaks? are those dual pistons? would they fit my AT200? THANKS IN ADVANCE.

azian_advanced

#26

i'm assuming GT calipers can't be swapped for Alltrac ones too? only the STs can?

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dustin15brown

#27

any update Romas?

qatar11

#28

Has anyone done this? I have ST165 calipers at the moment (they were a price I could not refuse) but what rotors is everyone using? I don't think the ST165 rotors are fitting....

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bccentaur3

#29

calipers fit with zero issues. I did it on my girls AT200

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#30

Right - but the ROTORS are not fitting - and the Calipers are offset big time - as they use a larger rotor - so you can't use ST rotors

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