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-BlackCelicaGT94+Sep 3, 2005 - 3:39 PM


-BlackCelicaGT94+Sep 3, 2005 - 11:13 PM


-WannabeGT4+Sep 6, 2005 - 1:26 PM


-LewFX+Sep 6, 2005 - 1:51 PM

so what's the purpose of this thread?

-ILuvMyCelica95+Sep 7, 2005 - 2:46 PM

To talk about Kanye West's comments.

hmmm i'll have to read, and then give my imput. lol. >>

why are we even wasting our time even reading anything Kanye West has to say? The man runs around with angel wings and thinks he's Jesus because he got shot. Half the rappers in this country have been shot. I believe it's a requirement. In order to make an unheard of amount of money and talk really fast you must be shot. I personally think he should shut his mouth and donate some of his money. Ever watch cribs? These morons have more money then they know what to do with, how about you donate some of it? If i had more time i could go on, but i'll save you guys the headache. >>

he's an idiot, and a rapper. in other words, absolutely useless for anything practical. Thank god he can sell records... which is amazing to me in and of itself.

The funny thing was watching mike myers' reaction.

EDIT: It just amazes me that someone like that can go on a program to help raise money and make it into some far left political speach... yea, he just caused about 80% of the people watching to turn the channel...

This post has been edited by FallenHero: Sep 7, 2005 - 3:54 PM

Wow, WannabeGT4 and LewFX, you guys are awesome. It's so encouraging to actually find people that know what they’re talking about when it comes to government and politics. >> I run into SO many people who like to bitch about Bush, and bitch about the way the governments being run, but when you actually talk to them, they don’t even know what powers the executive branch even has, or what the government really has power over, as opposed to what’s just bureaucracy. If anyone links hurricane Katrina and their dislike of Bush into the same paragraph, it just shows how bias they are, and that their opinion can’t be counted on. When I first started reading the whole thing about what Kayne West said, I thought you were going to support it, and I was about to be disgusted.

Just the other day I was thinking about how it might be fun to have a few conversations about politics and government on the site. Conversations, mind you, not arguments. So it’s nice to know there’s at least a few intelligent, coherent, individuals on here. Who would have guessed there could be on a car forum… >>

wow how about Oprah!!! we as a nation should apoligize to the victoms!!! wtf is that...shes on crack, we didnt cuz this hurricane did we!!! shes donating 1 million dollars, wow thats a kick in the bucket, why dont she help move the victoms into one of her mansions. Oprah is a major retard now.

http://www.big-boys.com/articles/kanye.html link

What kanye west said about Bush is true... he doesn't care .. but bush also doesn't car about anyone that can't make him or his family some money... what pissed off the black community most was the order bush gave to have any looters shot and killed...

-LewFX+Sep 7, 2005 - 3:51 PM

dude, what are you talking about...didn't you hear...the terrorists caused the hurricane.

i think youve been watching too many michael moore movies (aka farenheit 911) if bush sr didnt care, then why is he teaming up with clinton to raise money??? if he didnt care, why did he and clinton team up again and raise money for the 9/11? or the tsumani?? being president does not mean you get to make a ba-zillion dollars for yourself. learn something about the government before you think the president is all for himself.

-macavely+Sep 7, 2005 - 3:56 PM

right.......bush obviously doesn't care about black people because he said to shoot looters and thieves, who are just taking advantage of this situation and making it almost impossible to restore order. What the hell are you talking about "what pissed off the black community most". I didn't hear Bush say anything about shooting black people, he said looters. I just posted about 5 minutes ago saying people who link the hurricane damage to their dislike of Bush, are being bais and don't know what they're talking about. Point proven.

bush is doing his job ... doing what he was elected to do... but hes not doing his best at it....and trust me i know about the goverment to know how it works...this repbulic we live is was designed to move slow to weed out all the bad .. but sometimes the slow movement cause people to suffer like the are in NO right now....

you try to run the united states and tell me how easy it is for you.

-macavely+Sep 7, 2005 - 4:08 PM

you know, I really respect your knowledge of cars, but I think you don't know what your talking about when it comes to this. Comments like "but he's not doing his best at it" prove that. What do you think he, can and should do. The president is not head of the Red Cross... >>

if you want to bitch about things not getting done that you think should be done, don't blame the president. He doesn't call all the shots like it seems you think. Blame bureaucracy or the help organizations involved.

This post has been edited by tin_foil: Sep 7, 2005 - 4:18 PM

i never said runing a country is any easy job.. might be the hardest job in the world. i don't feel bush is doing the best job he can do. thats from what i have seen around me while he has been in office... i know its not all bush's fault cause he does have alot of people around him giving him bad advise. as a person that has studied government my opinion on bush is he is not a ever good persident compered to the the last 3 persedents before him..

I actually do agree that the gov is too large to respond quickly. This, however, is not the case in regards to the hurricane. Bush declared a disaster area before the hurricane. That put the ball in the cort of the state gov. In other words, they would get whatever they asked for. the problem was that they didnt' ask for anything until it was too late.

My only problem with bush's actions is that he didn't realize that the state government was inept. He should have taken the proper steps in light of the idiocy of the local gov.

-FallenHero+Sep 7, 2005 - 4:40 PM

thank you on you 2nd Ph ... as the head of the country he should have taken control or a situation the locl govment wasn't able to handle the right way.

FallenHero's right. Except that it's not the presidents job to play nurse maid for inept local and state governments. That's why we have a fereral system of government. It seems to me that Bush would be the last person to blame for this...

Thats why I said most people like to point fingers, but don't really know what they're talking about... >>

-LewFX+Sep 7, 2005 - 12:51 PM

You know what, maybe what oprah said wasn't the smartest thing in the world. But at least she gave A LOT of ****in' money to the relief effort. You're on here preaching about how people should do something more than give money, I wanna see you fly to New Orleans and fish someone out yourself. HOw about you put up your house as a shelter to the victims. I would be surprised if you even did so much as to volunteer at the shelters they set up, or volunteer some of YOUR time to the relief effort. I'm not saying I've done anything either, but don't come across those who ARE doing more than your lazy ass and insulting them. Oprah may not have chosen the right words, but AT LEAST shes more a part of the relief effort than someone who likes to come in on forums and tell EVERYBODY ELSE exactly how they're not doing ****, or those who are doing something, how they're not doing enough because they can't put them up, or don't. Alright, don't listen to the words but look at the actions.

As for Bush Sr. and that whole issue, who knows, it could go on as publicity or simply maybe he does give a damn. I don't really care what reasons they're doing it for, so long as they are doing it. You really think most of these celebrities would be giving money if there wasn't at least publicity, or rather criticism for not doing anything. DO you really think Bush Sr. or Jr. or even Clinton for that matter, if they weren't in, or formerly in the positions they are or were in, would be a part of this relief effort. It doesn't matter whether they care, because no one will ever know if they truly care except God and themselves. All that matters is that they're doing something.

Unfortunately, I have no money to donate, but I do when I can. Unfortunately, a series of events has happened in my life to where I have to take a lot of time to straighten my life out. So no, I haven't helped, but don't come in here and bash on ANYONE who has done something, especially if you yourself have done nothing.

Thats my two cents, if you don't like it keep it to yourself, because thats all I'm saying on this topic.

EDIT: For those who can't help for their own reasons, simple lack of resources or whatever, there is still a way to help the victims... Pray. Pray to God for them. A lot of you are against the idea of God or don't believe he exists, and thats fine. I'm not here to force religion or belief on you. But do it for them. Do it for the people there who do believe and need prayers and need something to believe in because as of now, thats all they have is belief. These people have lost everything in their life, all they have is God. Right now, your prayers are not about your beliefs or your oppositions, its about your fellow man and woman who need them, and need to believe because w/o belief in God for them, they have nothing left to live for...

This post has been edited by acenova: Sep 7, 2005 - 5:05 PM

^^^ dude, some of what you said was good, or at least food for thought. But chill out. We don't want this to turn into a bashing session. Then pressue2 will have to come close the topic. >>

if i was rich and had a house i would, if i can take time off my job, i would. but the reality is i cant. as far as me helping out, i do. i have helped many handicapped, homeless and others when i could. i have donated food, money and gave handicapped rides to church. dont tell me i dont do anything.

haha, yea, sorry. Got carried away, but thats just where I'm gonna leave it at. But read the EDIT part to please. I don't want to turn this into an argument, I'm off this topic as writing and only reading from here on out.

Ok first of all on Kanye West's defense he is a musical genius, there is no arguing that. If you dont like hip-hop that's fine, but do not attempt to degrade someone because of their genre of music.

And in hip hop/rap's defense. Look at heavy metal I mean wtf, anyone can get on a microphone and scream to the top of their lungs, thats not music.

Now as far as Bush goes he is a complete idiot. Our troops went to Iraq to war for the sole purpose of Bush's re-election, nothing more nothing less. There are so many other tactics the US could use in order to put a stop to terrorism, but Bush had to make it a spectical for his own ego. How many more soldiers will die to serve his idiotic purpose? Another thing 90% of his press conferences are pure bull****, he never gets to the point, his answer arent straight forward and he basically talks around the subject at hand. He never generally looks people in the face when he speaks.

-DmVinny+Sep 7, 2005 - 4:29 PM


true enough, but much rap today is glorifying drug dealing, sex, killing, and other such vices. young inner-city kids are hearing it and taking it as a bible. They are, in effect, taking the chance of success away from the kids.

EDIT: Or so is my opinion.

This post has been edited by FallenHero: Sep 7, 2005 - 6:37 PM

True, but remember most rock , heavy metal glorifies drugs, satanism, sex, and killing as well.

Btw, Rap and Hip-Hop are two different things.


This post has been edited by DmVinny: Sep 7, 2005 - 6:39 PM

-FallenHero+Sep 7, 2005 - 6:36 PM

as an inner city kid... i have to disagree with that... rap does not glorify drug dealing sex and killing ... the message in 90 percent of the songs are mis understood by people outside of the target group .. inner city kids... and 99 percent of the stuff everyone else gets on MTV -BET is garbage..

-DmVinny+Sep 7, 2005 - 4:39 PM


drugs are no longer, that was more along the lines of the 80's. Sex is a given in music, that I agree with. Killing I have not heard with the same referances as in rap, (same with sex)

But satanism? come on man, we don't all listen to manson. >>

Along with DmVinny, it's fine if you wanna bash Kanye for his politicking, but if you're gonna bash rap/hip-hop/African Americans in general for his statements, then >> Rap is not all money/cash/hos/cars etc. That's what you hear on the radio, and not even the majority. And Kanye doesn't even rap hardcore about all that. Try Master P. As for rappers donating they're money, hey, it's they're money. I mean yes they have 203912084x more than we do but at the same time not all rappers can afford to give away a cool million. If they are giving something, it's good of them.

I've heard/read countless arguments on Kanye's comments, but the one I've most agreed with is "It aint about racism, it should be "Bush doesn't care about poor people" and to an extent I agree. Hurricanes pass through Florida, Texas, the Southeast, and it's a blip on the news. Shoot even here in L.A., when the rains were comin down hard the past winter, they made sure they got out of those multimillion dollar homes before it collapsed. But this hurricane was so utterly devastating, and considering a majority of NO is poverty, relatively speaking they got hosed. The people who stayed, they stayed because where were they going to go? How were they going to get there? I heard that bus transportation was cut off two days before mandatory evacuation was called. How are the people living in severe poverty gonna get out of the city? With what car? Bus? Fly? NO gets a >> for that one.

Now it would be easy to blame it on Bush, even though I am a liberal/moderate there is way too much blind-Bush bashing from my generation and I can recognize that. But on this one...it's like all of em dropped the ball here. Local, state, federal. Local govt. for not making sure the citizens were safe. State for not making sure the area was stable and for its' crap-assed disaster management. Federal for not assisting fast enough (Come on, G-Dub was still on vacation a week into the hurricane). But let's just say they all effed up.

Just my opinion. If you think I'm an idiot, lets argue. I like debate >>

Food for thought: This kind of thing is what Kanye was talkin about, and he had a point: