ToYCeLi8

#1

Ok i know that the 3000gt has a V6 220hp, about 200+ lbs/ft of torque fwd (the base model and SL). WEIGHT=??
- 6th gen. celi. with a 2nd gen. 3sgte swap in it will have around 220+hp and 215+ lbs/ft of torque. RIGHT? or somewhere around there? WEIGHT = 2700 lbs (+/-)
- The 3kGT gets CAI/H/E 2.25" piping, underdrive pulleys, Denso sparkplugs, nology wires, and S-AFC, and an aftermarket throttle body (about 62mm).
- The GT2 gets the 2.5" custom piping, and thats it.
How would this race end up in a... 1.) 1/4 mile? 2.) Top Speed?

*My friend has a 3kGT*
**And he doesn't know about my soon to be GT2** >> >> >> >> >>

Silver94CelicaOwner

#2

Im assuming that by GT2 you mean your celica with the 2nd gen 3sgte......??
I dunno.....sounds like a pretty close one. I always thought that 3000gt's were pretty heavy looking though........Let us know who wins after you get the swap done! >>

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Coomer

#3

--Silver94CelicaOwner+May 3, 2003 - 6:46 PM

QUOTE (Silver94CelicaOwner @ May 3, 2003 - 6:46 PM)

Im assuming that by GT2 you mean your celica with the 2nd gen 3sgte......??

Yeah, why do you call it a GT2? I assumed from the thread title that you were talking about a Porsche 911 GT2, which would absolutely tear a 3000GT VR-4 apart.

Anyway, I think that you'd win in the 1/4, because 3000GTs are pretty heavy, and I don't believe that they have all wheel drive unless they're the VR-4 model, which would win in case anyone's wondering. I'm not sure about top speed though.

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Mage

#4

Yeah, I was like "uhh $175k+ super-car porsche against a 3000gt???"

hiflytsi

#5

I think the early 3k's had optional rear wheel drive for lower models, so check what year it is, or basically, does it have flip up lights or quad bubble eyes.

ToYCeLi8

#6

I am sorry guys, i guess wasn't very clear. My 95' GT w/ a st185 swap (soon to be) VS my friend's 92' 3000gt FWD. This is my friend's 2nd 3kGT, so im some what familiar with the performance specs., 220hp, 210 lbs/ft of torque (+/-) FWD. So yeah i was wondering would this be a fun race? How do we compare in the 1/4 mile and top speed? >>

94TRDCeli

#7

all non VR-4 models are crap. my friend has beat a few in his grand am..and the only thing he did to it was put a K&N filter in it so i assume you would win

Unknown User

#8

You would rip on him, off the line and down the 1/4 mi.

Those things are outrageously and horribly heavy. We are talking it may be 220hp, but when its on the road, it feels like 150-160. I've seen a new 2003 SI with a CAI and Catback hang on its bumper and slowly start gaining on it.

ToYCeLi8

#9

On the other hand though, the VR-4, which my spoiled friend will end up getting next, is a whole different story. I would love to see a VR-4 against a MKIV supra. Both are 320hp, but isnt the VR-4 AWD? Would that give it an advantage if they are both good drivers in the 1/4 mile?

97sccelica

#10

HAHAHAHAHA

a GT2 would own any non vr4 3kgt

and for those of you that didnt come from celica.net, GT2 is the term for a celica GT with a 3sgte swap, since the celica GT4 has the same engine and 4wd so with 2wd its GT2

but the super car GT2 would definately win

ne way

3000gt's are heavy and have inefficient trannies, no matter what mods you do to that car, it wont gain much HP simply becuase it is NA and it is almost maxed out, bolt ons that he has will only raise the crank hp to maybe 260hp if the guy is lucky. now take a celica which weighs 1000-1300 pounds less with the stock HP of a 2nd gen 3sgte of 225 at the crank. common sense, come on.

oh and dont forget, the SL has 220hp, the base model has a 180 or so HP engine so it is slow.

my friend has a stock 91 SL and if only he had traction the car would be great. the car attracts a lot of ricers and they all get put in their place. but a word of advice...

dont try to race a neon srt4. you will get your ass handed to you(unless you are turbo or have an engine swap)

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97sccelica

#11

--ToYCeLi8+May 4, 2003 - 1:54 PM

QUOTE (ToYCeLi8 @ May 4, 2003 - 1:54 PM)

On the other hand though, the VR-4, which my spoiled friend will end up getting next, is a whole different story. I would love to see a VR-4 against a MKIV supra. Both are 320hp, but isnt the VR-4 AWD? Would that give it an advantage if they are both good drivers in the 1/4 mile?

stock for stock a VR4 would get owned by a supra TT, they may have the same HP numbers, and the VR4 spools faster but the extra weight kills the car. off the line the VR4 would most likely be ahead but the supra would be lighter and as every one knows, a lighter car with the same HP is faster.

your friend is spoiled, but while the car is fast it isnt the most reliable. that car is an analog controlled computer. every part of that car has a computer attached to it(ok not exactly but you get the point)

another problem is the ecu of all 1st gen 3000gt's, the capacitors in all the ecu's have a 9 year life, and after that they begin to go bad and pop, causing a few problems

that and the car is a b*tch to work on

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NEVERSTOP

#12

3000gt is another name for the supra... just a little FYI
and the 2000gt is the mr2

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95STCelica

#13

i saw a Porsche GT2 at Mud City (restaurant where i work) the other day. 465 hp awd...yeah wow.. >>

XE_Nathaniel

#14

Actually the base version of the mitsubishi GTO (I would never call it a 3000GT because thats teh Supras name.....we got it first!) has around 160-180 crap HP. The SL has 222 (or something) and the VR-4 has 320HP. There was a guy on th Supra forums BEGGING to sell his VR-4 because he wants a Supra so bad.

-Nate

baby Supras rule (celicas)

Mage

#15

Don't just make up your own name for a car because you think it sounds cool >>

aaronc222

#16

3000GT was the original name Toyota gave it. Way back in the late 60's(or was it early 70's?). Either way, it wasn't the name on it when it hit showrooms, but it was the concept name.

FallenHero

#17

I hate 3000's. They cannot be major performance cars because of the weight issue. I have heard that the VR-4 conv. weighs in at over 4000lbs! You cannot corner with that.

moving on...

The peon SRT-4

You cannot have that kind of power at that price without cutting corners. I bet recalls start pouring in a year from now.
(Mopar is going to start offering a factory turbo upgrade to bring the car to 320hp!!!) <---crazy as hell.

Mage

#18

--aaronc222+May 4, 2003 - 11:14 PM

QUOTE (aaronc222 @ May 4, 2003 - 11:14 PM)

3000GT was the original name Toyota gave it. Way back in the late 60's(or was it early 70's?). Either way, it wasn't the name on it when it hit showrooms, but it was the concept name.

Yeah, I meant the "GT2 = FWD 3sgte celica" bit.

aaronc222

#19

The GT-2 name is something that has been floating around Celica.net for a while now. It started when someone asked what we would call a FWD 3SGTE. It would no longer be an ST or a GT.

95STCelica

#20

--FallenHero+May 5, 2003 - 12:15 AM

QUOTE (FallenHero @ May 5, 2003 - 12:15 AM)

I hate 3000's. They cannot be major performance cars because of the weight issue. I have heard that the VR-4 conv. weighs in at over 4000lbs! You cannot corner with that. moving on... The peon SRT-4 You cannot have that kind of power at that price without cutting corners. I bet recalls start pouring in a year from now. (Mopar is going to start offering a factory turbo upgrade to bring the car to 320hp!!!) <---crazy as hell.

So now domestic engines and tranny's are only gonna last till 50K miles..before it was 100K and then they were shot..320 HP with no upgraded internals? I pity anyone that buys that thing

ToYCeLi8

#21

--97sccelica+May 4, 2003 - 2:03 PM

QUOTE (97sccelica @ May 4, 2003 - 2:03 PM)

dont try to race a neon srt4. you will get your ass handed to you(unless you are turbo or have an engine swap)

>> You're a little too late for that. I had to find out the hard way. >>

FallenHero

#22

I guess it's sorta like a 3rd gen RX-7. They were hella fun until about 60k miles. But what a bad azz 60k miles...

Mage

#23

--aaronc222+May 5, 2003 - 5:56 AM

QUOTE (aaronc222 @ May 5, 2003 - 5:56 AM)

The GT-2 name is something that has been floating around Celica.net for a while now. It started when someone asked what we would call a FWD 3SGTE. It would no longer be an ST or a GT.

yes, so "made up" perfectly describes it.

bufferdan

#24

this is a funny thread with tons of misinformation....anyways, i wonder how this race went? What are some times that the gt-2 and gt-4's are running?

Base/SL 3000GT's
Weight = 3200lbs for Base models....3300lbs for SL models
91-93 3000GT's are DOHC 222hp
94-96 are all DOHC 218HP (Emissions)
97-99 they either had a SOHC 160hp or 218hp DOHC

VR-4's
Weight= 3800lbs
91-93 are 300hp (Free boost mod =320hp)
94-99 are 320hp

VR-4's are capable of running into the 12's virtually STOCK
Non-turbo DOHC 5spds usually run high 15's to high 14's depending on conditions. I ran a 15.4 at 91mph with my stock 3000GT on bad clutch and plugs/wires. Im pretty sure i could bust a 14.9 today with my bigger tires on the front and running properly.

boosted_K2

#25

-Mage+May 4, 2003 - 11:53 PM

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bufferdan

#26

This is my conclusion



I own one...they are decently powered cars and the vr-4's are very fast and can haul that almost 4000lb butt. Nothing looks as pretty either >>

A GT-2 celica probably will not run very fast times...try keeping that little light front end on the ground during a launch.

bufferdan

#27

3000GT's and stealth's are not DSM's either... The steering on mine is tighter than mr-2's i have driven and also celica's.

boosted_K2

#28

news to me, i was almost positive they were built at the DSM plant...

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97sccelica

#29

-boosted_K2+May 12, 2004 - 9:21 PM

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kuya1284

#30

After I get my front fixed (the body shop said they'll have room for me in 3 weeks), I'll go FINALLY take my car to the tracks... I'll run her with stock boost, 15 lbs, and 18lbs and let you all know wassup...

I still need to program the speed map feature in my EBC.