-bonzaisushi+Sep 26, 2005 - 12:26 AM
That's a lame reason...

SR20's are aluminum horsepower engines... and they eat boost like candy. Given iron is stronger... but it doesn't really have a distinct advantage besides that, and with modern technology, design and manufacturing advacements, aluminum is VERY strong. Basically all new engines are all aluminum and engines like the K20A, VQ35DE, and even the older Honda B series have all eaten boost with great success...
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-bonzaisushi+Sep 26, 2005 - 12:26 AM
That's a lame reason...

SR20's are aluminum horsepower engines... and they eat boost like candy. Given iron is stronger... but it doesn't really have a distinct advantage besides that, and with modern technology, design and manufacturing advacements, aluminum is VERY strong. Basically all new engines are all aluminum and engines like the K20A, VQ35DE, and even the older Honda B series have all eaten boost with great success...
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im gonna pop in here and say 2zz-ge, im biased.

the higest hp 2zz-ge was 245whp, with a stroked motor and 13:1 pistons.

the 2zz is a great motor and i love reving the hell out of it, but the 3sge is nice seeing how you dont have to go into the stratosphere searching for torque/power.

but 105 hp a litre is nice, whats the displacement of the black top 3s-ge, the 220 hp model?


the 4g63 shoudlnt even come into the equation, its very old technology sure 240bhp is great from a 1.6l but it woudl be nothing compared to a equally prepped 2zz-ge.

Tunable VVT is the best thing toyota ever did.
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If Toyota would only put a newer improved version with a wider lift range and put it in a Scion or Toyota sport coupe it would be great, but it appears its no longer in Toyotas interest. >>
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-Silver94CelicaOwner+Sep 23, 2005 - 10:23 PM


Heh. Toyota doesn't seem to know much anymore about sporty cars. I mean, cancelling the Celica, bringing in the ugly Scion xA, B, and C, esp. the first two with their *gasp* 105 horses and styling every bit as bad as the echo. Now the xC does have some speed potential, but it's loaded with luxo options and can't touch a Celica of any vintage for looks.

Oh, offtopic. Sorry.

BTW, the idea of the 190 hp out of 1.8 L is crazy, but it certainly fits the Lotus Elise. As a daily driver I'm sure it feels pedestrian. I like the feel of having an engine's ship come in at about 3-4k.
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V-tech and i-Vtech ar so good at all, but VVTi and VVTL-i ar kind of more Hi-tech a bit than the former.... Coz the technology on VVTi and VVTL-i ar on both intake sides when it's running, but Honda's V-tech and EVEN i-Vtech ar only on one intake side. So Toyota's race technologies ar directly comeing from their valuable F-1 experience, and even their consumers all over the world......
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-ST-204+Sep 28, 2005 - 6:21 PM
You should just apologize and admit you don't know what you're talking about. You should also work on your grammar and spelling. >>
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When talking about the 3sge beams vs 2zz-ge, all of you are talking about a jdm vs usdm engine. The jdm celica sports M celica has a upgraded 2zz-ge that if I remember correctly is about 200-210 hp.
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Any N/A engine can be great but with work. Honda people sometimes annoy me with the whole "honda is the best" because from the factory.... Honda's arnt really that fast. They're fastest car is a S2000 and only hits low 14's to high 13's, but that is a real "fast car" I guess you want to say. Everything else they make is 15.0+ And they're supposively "Super car" the NSX I think can only hit low 13's high 12's???? I dont think it's worth paying 85k on something a slightly modded supra could beat. But this is all just what I think and not trying to state facts.
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-Celicaguy13+Sep 30, 2005 - 12:09 AM

190ps or so i thought
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-Shigexile+Sep 30, 2005 - 8:38 AM

He's right. The 2ZZ-GE in the TRD Celica Sports M has 210PS.
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-Shigexile+Sep 30, 2005 - 8:38 AM

He's right. The 2ZZ-GE in the TRD Celica Sports M has 210PS.
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-BLADDER_MASTER+Sep 30, 2005 - 2:47 PM


isn't the ecu programmed diffrenet and also doesn't it not have and egr system ?
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Any N/A engine can be great but with work. Honda people sometimes annoy me with the whole "honda is the best" because from the factory.... Honda's arnt really that fast. They're fastest car is a S2000 and only hits low 14's to high 13's, but that is a real "fast car" I guess you want to say. Everything else they make is 15.0+ And they're supposively "Super car" the NSX I think can only hit low 13's high 12's???? I dont think it's worth paying 85k on something a slightly modded supra could beat. But this is all just what I think and not trying to state facts.

200ps is like 195hp... whoopie!  5hp more than the stock overseas versions... ;]  The TRD version weren't exactly highly tuned (engine-wise)... very light tuning with a body kit and wheels more or less...
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Unless you know Hondas... don't start talking Hondas. Hondas aren't fast from the factory... but depends on how you define "fast". USDM ST185 Celicas weren't fast either then (stock high 15 car), nor is the MR2 turbo (stock mid 15 car). These cars all have... what's that word... oh yeah. POTENTIAL... 200HP n/a from the factory is pretty damn decent to me, especially since these engines can squeeze an additional 20-30 whp with minor bolt-ons (especially the K series). Name another factory car in that same class that can match 200hp n/a with that buildability... I can only think of one (Celica SSIII)... Also... unless you've built and raced cars on the strip, or at least have ventured there more than once or twice... don't assume to know what's fast and what's not fast. FYI... low 14's to high 13's is very fast for most street built n/a 4 bangers. Low 14's to high 13's can handle just about 80% of the cars on the road. Even the 3SGTE swapped Celicas can only manage high 13's with the stock turbo... so what's so bad about running high 13's? High 13's is fast enough to embarass C6 corvettes especially since they'll underestimate you and your 4 banger. Maybe your standards for a fast car is worthy of being fast and furious... but in real life... most decently quick street cars are high 13 cars... simply because exponential increase in power is needed to break into the 12-11 second barriers (which means $$$). And... and NSX cannot run 12's... nor is comparing a stock NSX to a "modded" Supra fair. Hell... if I wanted a fast car I'd buy a starlet and drop in a 405 big block. Much cheaper than a Supra... but obviously people pay 85K for an NSX for other reasons than running the 1/4 mile. Think about that for a second. You know what I hate... bias against Honda because "it's cool for loyal Toyota tuners to hate on Honda"...

Simple question to ask yourself... How many car manufactures can boast 120 hp per liter STOCK?
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But this is all just what I think and not trying to state facts.
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You know what I hate... bias against Honda because "it's cool for loyal Toyota tuners to hate on Honda"... 
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-Kwanza26+Sep 30, 2005 - 11:45 PM

I'll second that. I've spent a good bit of time with this issue on here.
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