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Topic #30844 134 posts Started by GT4WRC
That's absolutely great work you've been doing there Gary. Big props for you. I just hope that one day i can do such work with motors that you do or even a little close to it. It's just so impressive. Wondering how difficult would it be for me to turbo my 3S-GE or just swapping the 3S-GTE and btw still don't know which one would be the better option for me. rolleyes.gif Read that your coming to europe also. What's your location?

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damn i gotta wait 3 weeks? haha, have fun in europe man
While I was swanning around Europe, the new pistons were successfully fitted to the revised block....

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... we couldn't get some ACL +1mm pistons so turned to a set of Wisecos from the US...

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So, with that part completed, I could now start putting everything back together..

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ARP studs fitted along with the new HG...

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Oil pick-up and splash pan fitted following a few hours in the acid bath....

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New crank oil seal fitted....

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Due to different cams, altered CR and different pistons, a test was required to ensure that valves and pistons didn't come into contact with each other so off to the local toy shop for some...

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This was then put onto the piston crowns where the valves would likely come into contact...

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Once all 4 pistons had been set so they sat half way up the bores, the cylinder head could be fitted and torqued into place....

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The top cam cover backing plate and lower belt cover were fitted next to ensure that the cam wheels and bottom pulley were positioned correctly....

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.... prior to the cambelt being fitted....

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Once everything was properly assembled, the engine was carefully turned over for a few revolutions, taking care to ensure that there was no unwanted resistance.

Then, the belt and head were removed so the doh on the pistons could be inspected. This revealed plenty of clearance between pistons and valves. Obviously a good thing....

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With the doh removed, the head could be refitted. This being the current state and the end of play today...

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Work prevents me from doing more until Friday morning when the rebuild will continue. Watch this space wink.gif
Gary

This post has been edited by GT4WRC: Jan 11, 2006 - 1:45 AM

1994 ST205 Celica GT-FOUR Group A WRC - running in new engine1993 Rover 220 GTi tarmac rally car (under construction) 3SGE power here we come....GT-Four spec list
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awesome.

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this thread is better then 90% of all the internet porn! my jaw is on the floor looking at this project!

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Wiseco pistons rock. You won't regret them. Great job and we're all looking forward to seeing that beast put out big numbers. biggrin.gif

Past -7A-FTE: Will never forget youPresent -3rd Gen3S-GTE: Swap in progressQUOTE (SinisterSinner @ Dec 19, 2009 - 10:52 AM)I dont want to even think of turbos, they blow up way too often...
your are a hero!!!!!!!!!a hero i say!!!!!!!

this is hot
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this thread is better then 90% of all the internet porn! my jaw is on the floor looking at this project!


lolol, so tru
Managed to skive of work this arvo and managed to get quite a bit done.

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Finishing off fitting the sump to the bottom of the motor...

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... including a nice shiney powdercoated sump pan 8)

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Genuine parts where possible. New belt and idler and tensioner wheels...

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... finished off the camblet side of things...

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... allowing the bottom cover to be fitted.

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OE fuel rail (for now) was bolted on. As this was originally a 3SGE head, slight mods had to be made - including the injector holes which needed to be enlarged to suit the 3S-GTE injectors.

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Then the inlet manifold could go on.

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To the front and fitment of the alternator bracket and bling alternator biggrin.gif

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State at the end of the day. Loom is now partially fitted along with numerous hoses etc. Really glad I took lots of photos before I stripped the motor down laugh.gif

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Need to adapt the cam cover slightly as I can't use the centre throttle body support due to the lack of castings etc on the n/a head. No real issues asthere is plenty of other support. Once that is done the cover can be fitted. Then, hopefully, time to fit the box. More to follow tomorrow biggrin.gif
Gary

1994 ST205 Celica GT-FOUR Group A WRC - running in new engine1993 Rover 220 GTi tarmac rally car (under construction) 3SGE power here we come....GT-Four spec list
awesome gary, great pics. cant wait to see that motor in its home
wow.. your motor's gone a long way... seems like it's almost time for it to go home wink.gif

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Looks nice, but you couldn't use the 3sge valve cover? With the dip for the intercooler, the stock 3sgte cover looks weird without the intercooler there. You can't tell me you aren't out for looks either, because I seen all the parts your making pretty.

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Looks nice, but you couldn't use the 3sge valve cover? With the dip for the intercooler, the stock 3sgte cover looks weird without the intercooler there. You can't tell me you aren't out for looks either, because I seen all the parts your making pretty.



Breather holes are in different places on the n/a cover - one which would foul on a bracket on the gearbox end. Plus there aren't the holes and cut outs to fit the cambelt cooling duct (the one which feeds from the bonnet duct). Fare easeir to use the turbo cover wink.gif
Gary

1994 ST205 Celica GT-FOUR Group A WRC - running in new engine1993 Rover 220 GTi tarmac rally car (under construction) 3SGE power here we come....GT-Four spec list
Quite a productive couple of days.

Turbo and manifold were fitted. Sticking with the stock items for the time being.
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Note the WRC extras such as the antilag attachments...
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Lightweight Fidanza flywheel was bolted on...
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... followed by the Xtreme clutch kit...
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Found the adjustable cam wheels I'd put somewhere 'safe' :roll:
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Cams were set up last night as per the HKS spec sheet...
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With that done, the cam cover could be bolted into place...
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Next, the transfer case was split from the gearbox to allow it all to be bolted up to the motor...
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With that done, the rest of the wiring loom was attached along with any other brackets etc...
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And with the alternator, PAS and aircon drive belts on, next step is to put the complete unit back where it came from biggrin.gif
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Gary

1994 ST205 Celica GT-FOUR Group A WRC - running in new engine1993 Rover 220 GTi tarmac rally car (under construction) 3SGE power here we come....GT-Four spec list
Yay... your nearing there man.
Can't wait to see it in the car,
and of course some videos
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wooot.. great progress gary... bet ya excited to start that beast up lol biggrin.gif

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After nearly 8 weeks, it was time to put the motor/box back in. biggrin.gif

Reverse of removal, simply lowered the car onto the engine....
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... allowing the gearbox and cambelt end mounts to be attached - the engine then being held it place.
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Then it was 'simply' a case of putting everything back together...
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Planty of room with the larger Koyo rad and Kenlow fans...
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Once the 'top half' was finished, the underside was pieced back together...
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... and rear diff and gearbox were filled with new oil...
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At this stage, all that remains to do is fill up the cooling system, WAI, bleed the brakes, fit the wheels and plug in the loom under the dash. Then it'll be the real acid test - turning the key. Until then, the car will sit like this until the morning...
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Having access to a fully kitted out workshop is such a bonus wink.gif
Gary

1994 ST205 Celica GT-FOUR Group A WRC - running in new engine1993 Rover 220 GTi tarmac rally car (under construction) 3SGE power here we come....GT-Four spec list
beautiful

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You excited? I see your using the top mount, I didn't catch that in my you last post replying to me. I haven't been able to read very well past week, lasik surgury and all. I'm looking forward to seeing it all done and run.

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There will be no excuses for you not having video's once this thing is back on the road. Which, from the looks of things, is gonna be VERY soon!

One of the nicest GT4's I've ever laid eyes upon, congrats on getting it back together!

-Josh
Call me supersitious. Call me crazy. I know the lock system would stop the car BUT, I NEVER leave a car on a lift over night.

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First off, congrats and nice work.

How does you anti-lag system work? Is that 3 fuel injectors in the manifold? biggrin.gif jk, I know how good for turbos that is.

Keep up the good work

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Turned up the next morning ready to go. Topped up the fluids - plain water in the cooling system (no glycol for the first 1000kms)
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Water Wetter was added to the WAI along with sufficient water...
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... and Valvoline SAE 30 API SF/CC 'Running In Oil'.

OE plugs were removed from the original fans and soldered to the new Kenlow fans and connected...
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Now the time to turn the key. Fuel pump had been left disconnected following the earlier swap to an uprated aftermarket pump.
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Engine was then cranked over until the oil warning light on the dash was extinguished. It was then tried a couple more times just to make sure before the pump was reconnected. Then all was ready...
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Key was turned and the engine actually fired up pretty quickly and wasn't too bad on idle. It was left to get up to temp - but it was soon evident that there was a water leak. Switched off and further investigation revealed that the OE coolant spring clamps were no long doing what they were supposed to. With hindsight, these should have been swapped to jubilee clamps during the rebuild!
So, after much hassle, the coolant pipe clamps were swapped and teh system pressure tested to ensure all was as it should be.

Car was then restarted, ran for a short time and then cut out. Restarting wasn't an issue, but it just wouldn't idle - holding the revs up with the throttle open helped, but something was amiss...

As it would still run with throttle open, we drove car up the road to get a WOF and see if it'll sort itself out. No such luck. Ran even worse when you start to come onto boost. So after passing the WOF, get car back to workshop for further investigation.
Only fault code which shows up is 54 - WAI system which is cleared. Then, Air Control Valve shows problem up on the diagnostic tool which is then cleared. Still no idle. TPS is checked and found to be out so is altered to correct factory setting, but still won't idle. Checked to ensure all the plugs are attached and no obvious vac pipes etc left off.
By this time, motor is cold and when re-started, it seems to run fine. However, as soon as the temp starts to rise, the idle goes to pot once again. Ignition is spot on and good flow of fuel. Diagnostic sensor shows the 'mixture' reading as alternating between rich and lean. No more fault codes are coming up on either the diagnostic tool or the dashboard. At this stage it's getting late, so it's left until the next morning...



Tried restarting the car first thing this morning, but now it just didn't want to idle. So first thing was to whip the top cam cover off to ensure that the adjustable wheels hadn't moved. All good there. Next stop was the plugs. Pulled these out and they were all as black as a lump of soot. Hmmmm.
Put some new plugs in, fired it up and while it did run better, it still wouldn't idle - all seemed better when the revs were above around 2k. So we disconnected the map sensor and connected a vacuum pump and set it to 15mmHg and cranked the motor over. And it ran fine making us point the finger at a vacuum idle issue, possible cam related.
Rather than alter the cam timing which we knew was set up exactly as per HKS spec sheet (Inlet - 110 deg duration / Exhaust - 103 deg duration), it was decided to try altering the TPS again (previously set to factory setting). Doing this yielded an immediate result, the engine running much smoother, but still not happy under 1000rpm. So the ignition was advance by 14 degrees in total. With this done, the engine was much happier. However, blipping the throttle caused issues when the revs dropped usually resulting in a stall. To help prevent this, the throttle stop was altered to keep idle at 1000rpm.
Everything was put back together and the car taken for a spin round the block. Back to the workshop for a check of fluid levels before going out for a decent road test. No leaks were evident.
I'm pleased to say that there were no issues whatsoever. Car was extremely smooth all the way up to 5k and despite keeping away from full throttle openings, the motor felt very strong and eager to unleash a lot of torque - especially when the cams started to come into action.
It has been a very frustrating and tiresome period trying to get it running, but all is now well. Another 920kms to go before an oil change and then another 4k before the boost can be turned up. In the meantime, sensible driving and a trip to the dyno shortly to check that the fuelling is as it should be.
Gary

1994 ST205 Celica GT-FOUR Group A WRC - running in new engine1993 Rover 220 GTi tarmac rally car (under construction) 3SGE power here we come....GT-Four spec list
that was a fun read!

did you figure out the real cause of the idle issue?

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It'll more than likely be a combination of the cams and the 'newness' of the engime. ECU will be optimised for different cams - the HKS exhaust cam, at 103 deg, is quite different to the OE spec.
Gary

1994 ST205 Celica GT-FOUR Group A WRC - running in new engine1993 Rover 220 GTi tarmac rally car (under construction) 3SGE power here we come....GT-Four spec list
very VERY nice gary!

i can't wait to see the dyno numbers...this has got to be the #1 FASTEST and biggest build so far....very impressed...
hurry up and go on a long trip and rid of those 920kms!

man wat i would do to ride in that car smile.gif
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It'll more than likely be a combination of the cams and the 'newness' of the engime. ECU will be optimised for different cams - the HKS exhaust cam, at 103 deg, is quite different to the OE spec.
Gary


For what its worth, some guys with high power applications on the mr2 board found that the hks specs on the cams were not ideal. You may want to try a search on the mr2 board to look at their findings.

QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback]i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this.
Good deal man. You going to try and fix the idoil problem or just leave it idiol at 1k? I'd like to see a video of this thing.

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It'll more than likely be a combination of the cams and the 'newness' of the engime. ECU will be optimised for different cams - the HKS exhaust cam, at 103 deg, is quite different to the OE spec.
Gary



keep us updated on how you solve the idle issue. i am considering cams for my car, and getting a good idle has been one of my concerns.

any way you can post some videos of the car for us?

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wooot congrats! gets get some videos of it running/dyno results!