Well Thanksgiving just passing and Xmas coming up, all these family holidays coming up, I have been spending more time w/ my family and friends as you are. Also meeting newborn baby cousins.

All this baby talk brought up subjects about the starting of new families and abortions, unfortunatly.

Some of my cousins feel they are ready to start a family other don't and what not. But when abortions came up, a friend of my aunts spoke about an abortion she had when she was younger and never told the father. It turned into a crazy night I rather not go into but here is my question or topic for this thread is, and its aimed at the men:

If a girl you had relations with, YES EVEN A 1 NIGHT STAND, got pregnant with YOUR child (don't argue, its YOURS), and she had an abortion, would you want to know before she did it? Or not be told at all and be fine with it after its done?

Yes you can state your reasons why you would or wouldn't have a baby now.

For me, I would DEFINATLY want to know. Even though it might not be planned, I feel if it took 2 people to make a child, then those 2 people should decide whether or not to keep the child. Right now I am going through some rough times financially so I know I cannot raise a child. My mind set isn't ready either. I really don't plan on having a child until I am about 28, so 6 more years. An abortion is a major descision so it does take time to make sure it is the one you want to make and not regret it. Realistically, I would prefer to put the baby up for adoption. Save a life and help a family.

Mods: I hope this doesn't start a war on 6gc, its just something I took serious when it was so close to my family. So members please do not attack other people's opinions.

David

If I knew that I got a girl pregnant and she didnt want to have the baby I would ask her to have it and give it to me. No reason to take the kids life away because of a mistake I made. I love kids anyways and I personally couldnt afford it but my dad makes big bucks and would support the baby. My girlfriend always talks about having kids haha, i told her it will be another 5-6 yrs before I have a kid.

I agree a lot with you, it was a mutual decision to start it, should be mutual on the ending decision. Granted it's a lot harder on the women, but it still wouldn't be right if she dind't tell the guy involved

her body, her choice, her decision whether or not to tell me.

a one night stand should not involve anything past that night. im sure she would drop u as soon as u asked "hey, let me know if u get pregnant ok?" thats just not how it works.....thats like a ball breaker, but for chicks...totally ruins the moment. she'll find a guy that asks less questions......

if ur not mentally, monetarily, or emotionally ready for the consequences, however wacky they might become, then ur not ready for sex.

Its her body... but not her baby.. its God's... abortion is murder :-(

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Thats true, but some times and in lots of cases, its better to not bring a baby into the world, def when theres not parents, nor a safe place to raise it.

I think it should be both. have to agree on somthing, but most likly more so of the mothers.. cause she would have closer ties with it.

This to me is a question that has more to do with the people involved than either a yes she should or no she shouldent answer. If you have sex with someone, you should be well enough able to guage their judgement as being on par with you- Some people like one night stands, some people like no sex till marraige... Whats positive about a woman who you have sex with who has no intentions of keeping a baby if she gets pregnant, tell you she is pregnant, and then she goes and has an abortion, when you are against it? Women have all the say, so what bennifits someone to find out that they "could" have had a child and then dwell on it all their life and think what if? In a perfect world, or relationship, for that matter, there wouldent be an issue of keeping secrets. there is truth in the saying what you dont know cant hurt you... it only bothers you once you know...

Maybe I shouldn't have posted this thread, I am just getting back from the hospital. Come to find out, my cousin mis-carried(sp). The baby was 8 months. Just a month to go. I can't believe it. Its sad to have a newborn not even have a chance. The parents have taken it well so far. But it is difficult for them to handle. I'm still praying for them.

David

This post has been edited by ToYCeLi8: Nov 27, 2005 - 9:37 PM

Whoops double post

This post has been edited by ToYCeLi8: Nov 27, 2005 - 9:43 PM

as a girl i would tell the guy yes even if it was a one nighter! I think abortion is ok only if you can not care for that child...but you should not have a 9 abortions and the 10th ones free card. If youre having sex then you should be ready for whatever happens especially if you didnt wrap it up or if the girls not using a pill or something of that sorts. We need to have abortion as an option though for certain cases such as rape or mentally disabled! but if ur opening ur legs or if your putting it to her then you need to be prepared for the worst case!

my mom talks to me everyday how she would love for me to have a baby but we both know im not ready! but yeah i would definetly call the guy up the second I found out and tell him and just let him know my choice..and if i was to keep it and he didnt want to deal with it then fine but i would want him to sign over his parental rights so then i would never speak to him again and i would hope he would never try talk to the child! im not one to try get money..id rather not see him again if he wants nothing to do with the child then sit there and try take him to court for money and have a lousy man in my childs life

abortion is wrong.... period
its murder. it doesnt matter if you dont want the kid because of financial reasons or if you just dont want a kid because you arent ready
if you dont want it put it up for adoption. its better to have someone adopt it than it is to kill it
what if your parents decided they werent ready for a kid? you wouldnt be here if they had an abortion.

*******And you would never have your 6GC*******

Be Smart... if you dont want a kid dont F***, but if you cant stop having sex then at least wrap your tool or get your girl to go on the pill. its easy, so dont be stupid

so what about rape? what do you do in that situation? what about the mentally ill that get raped? just let them have the kid and put it up for adoption when they dont know whats going on with their body?

all i have to say is abortion is murder

if your mom was raped would you of rather had your mom have an abortion or have you so you could be where you are today

look but you have nothing to say about a situation where a mentally ill/disabled woman is raped and gets pregnant....so yeah u may think of it as murder but it needs to be there for situations such as that!

but yeah u shouldnt be having sex if ur not ready for every possible situation that comes along with it - such as stds, heartbreak, pregnancy etc

why cant mentally ill or disable women have kids too? are you saying they arent good enough to have a kid just like the rest of the women in the world?

no not at all...umm u obviously dont have someone mentally disabled in your household. My uncle has cerebal palsbly (Sp?) and he couldnt handle a child....

ive worked with the mentally disabled in special ed and ive grown up with an ucle having CP so ive seen cases where they dont know...and if ones raped u cant tell them THEY HAVE to have the kid!

abortion is wrong. its killing a person

it doesnt take a brain surgeon to figure it out

im sorry if you think it is ok to kill someone

is the day after pill abortion then?

is masterbating bad then cuz i mean a guy is spitting out his kids at the end of it? so hes killing babies

This post has been edited by BlackCelicaGT94: Nov 27, 2005 - 11:17 PM

no its not abortion, there was never any conception

a sperm is not a kid, its a sperm, sperm die every day even if a guy doesnt masturbate

if you think masturbation is abortion than having your period is abortion too

think about it

im 17 years old and i can figure it out

you are a person at the moment of conception... when a sperm and an egg join and start splitting into cells. at that exact moment you have a soul and you are a person

now if you stick a drill inside of a girl and take that fetus and blend it into a smoothie, then you just killed someone with a soul

i dont care how you got pregnant, if you are mentally disabled, physically disabled, or just stupid

ABORTION IS WRONG

ok well then if abortion is wrong then lets ban it and lets see how many people adopt a kid with special needs? would you!? probably not! cuz when people go to adopt they want a perfect kid not a kid who takes extra work!

and how would you feel if you had a mentally disabled daughter who was raped?

when it hits close to home then you talk to me about whether abortion is right or wrong!



edit - abortion will never end! the rich will alwways be able to get an abortion and what happens to the poor who cant get it? they will go to doctors who cant do it right and will end up dying!

This post has been edited by BlackCelicaGT94: Nov 27, 2005 - 11:25 PM

so you are saying that it would be better to just kill the kid because he has a problem... im sorry he couldnt be perfect for you.

^ Its not a kid yet. its just an egg.

If I got a girl pregnet I would hope should would tell me, mainly because I would never want to make a girl go throw a situation as big as that alone, and it takes 2 to make a baby, which means that both people have a say in it. Although the girl has the biggest say maily because its her body and she has to do the most work. anyway I'm all for abortions because if you cant handle the responsobility or cant provide for a chiled then its not fair to that chiled to grow up like that, you see every day thoes comertials about kids digging though dumpters and having no food, most dont live long anyway its very sad to make a baby grow up like that, there are too many already that have to live in foster homes or on the streets.

personlay I take the whole "baby making" very seriously, and I dont have 1 night stands, because I know that I'm not in a position where I can handel a baby or everything that involves.

rape is a compleatly diff thing, its a horrible act and in that situation how on earth could you force the victum to have that chiled maid out of pain and suffering and only going to cause more pain and suffering, and live a horrible life.

you have to understand that not everyone has what we have, we take so many things for granted. So many people have nothing and are hardly able to support them selves yet alone a baby.

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LOL, nice. but not a problem if you stop early right?

This post has been edited by creis: Nov 27, 2005 - 11:51 PM

So i predict... let's see... 20 more posts before this one is locked.

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Haha, that's what I was thinking and what I was afraid of. But that'll be if Natalie and dlx continue. Probably in another 8-10 post.

Well like I mentioned when I 1st started this thread, every1 has their own opinion. Lets just accept it and not turn this into a war.

David

i think i can agree with everyone. yes, abortion is killing. natalie brings up a good point. if u cant bring it up, or it causes complications, or in the instance of rape, i believe that women should have more than one option to do what they feel is in their best interest. true, we have been doing alot of things since we have become more technologically advance, and people who's beliefs are still traditional are hard to convince otherwise. but we still do what we gotta do to survive.

i can also disagree too. abortion is killing. but what exactly are we killing. it hasnt been born, it may not even have a heartbeat, it might not even have taken shape yet. so sperm and egg joined and theres a chemical reaction that initiates a sequence of instructions. we know what will happen and we stop it. millions of unwanted babies are born every year. overpopulation, scarce resources, u know what happens.....of course, if ur mom had an abortion then u wouldnt be born, but thats not the case. u cant talk about the past. if anything changed in the past, it would create an alternate future anyways. what if some lady 20 years ago didnt have an abortion, and her daughter became the love of ur life.....but u cant talk about that because it didnt happen. u cant talk about things that didnt happen. what if there wasnt a big boom. none of us would even be here. but thats not the case. what everyone is concerned about in abortion is the future. we are trying to shape the future into something better for ourselves. just living and breathing today shapes the way our future ancestors will live. we dont want overpopulation and poverty, do we? people will fight over things and wars will break out. every little thing we do now creates a ripple.

so what if im pro choice. to me, those people who are pro life are advocating sex, correct? if u are truly FOR life, you want babies to pop up everywhere and encourage people to have sex so that humans can populate everywhere. reminds me of hippies. "live!! be free!!" yet they fail to see reality because theyre blinded by their own incompetence. just because people are pro choice doesnt mean that they are against life. but, people who are pro life are against choice, and choice is what makes us better at making a sound decision because we acknowledge our options that are available to us at that point in time.

im for it.
the girl isnt - she's christian.
just take the steps of using BC and that cool thing called polyeurothane

This post has been edited by Blakout16: Nov 28, 2005 - 3:36 AM

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That's exactly my problem with abortion. All the cases that I personally know about are young white girls with money who didn't feel ready to have a baby. They were irresponsible and used it as birth control. All the poor girls I knew who got pregnant at a young age had their babies. Everyone always argues that it's good because people who can't afford to bring a child into the world should have a way out, but that's not who normally has an abortion, at least from what I've seen. It's for irresponsible rich kids who still need to party for a few years before becoming responsible.

~AN ABORTION IS AN ABORTION NO MATTER THE SITUATION ~ EXCUSES ARE EXCUSES ~

America's freedoms are being trampled upon, women should have the right to make a choice. Freedom is choice, I'm so tired of people thinking they know better and telling other people what to do. You have a problem with it? Thats fine, nobody is forcing you to do something you dont wanna do so how about those who think what they think is better or more right or should be done that way maybe you shouldnt make someone do something that they dont wanna do.

Yeah, what happened to the good ol' days when I could go kill someone 'cause they can't function in society or because their mother didn't want them or wasn't ready for them? What gives her more rights than me?
At what point is it no longer ok to kill a baby? right before it's delivered? a month before? 2 months? When is the baby defined as a human being? At conception? When it has a heartbeat? When it can move on it's own?
I believe that life begins at conception. That is when life starts. Without the egg and sperm meeting there would be no life.
To end a life is murder.

The only times I think an abortion should ever be considered is when there are complications in the pregnancy and the womans life is in danger or if she was raped. Other than that, She should take responsibility for her actions. She knows the consequences she should deal with them.