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QUOTE (95CelicaST @ Oct 6, 2009 - 9:42 PM) *
>My hero.



I just added a bit on adapters as well.

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QUOTE (Harold_Fastwaker @ Oct 6, 2009 - 8:06 PM) *
>What I am say is try fitting a et53 9in wide wheel on our car as noted by your original calculations. It wont even come close to bolting up because the tire will have to go through the strut.

Yes, I realize your calculations are so people still have plenty of clearance for their sunk wheels. That is fine, in my world, it looks dumb. So in about 20 minutes I will post up the flush offset calculations.


English must not be your first language because it says right there next to it in my first post that it probably won't fit.

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QUOTE (Harold_Fastwaker @ Oct 6, 2009 - 8:37 PM) *
>First: You will need to run stretched tires for this to work and preferably a nicely lowered car.......... Or 4x4 your car and run it Donk status. I don't care, but you will have to choose one of those options.

FOR THE REAR WHEELS ONLY >>**You need to roll your fenders for all of these.>>

As for tires, I highly suggest you run 45 series tires and I HIGHLY recommend Falken 512s. They handle stretching very well.

These numbers will make your wheel flush with the body. If you want to wheel to poke then run a lower offset then I have listed. This in turn means you need to run a smaller diameter tire and some negative camber.

Spacers:
For those of you who need a 25mm spacer or larger for your look. I suggest A-Dapt-It USA (http://adaptitusa.com/) or Motorsport Technologies (http://www.motorsport-tech.com/)
The A-Dapt-It's will be cheaper and will be lug centric. Motorsport Tech can make you hubcentric to hubcentric adapters which are double the cost of A-Dapt-It's. Either choice is fine, I run lug centric and so do plenty of other people. Toyota still ships cars off the assembly line with lug centric wheels. Don't let the scare tactics of hubcentric or die mess with your head. With lug centric you just need to tighten your lugnuts in the standard star pattern starting from the top.


You've lost all credibility with this post. You should NOT use non-hubcentric spacers on cars that have hubcentric rims from the factory... This is basic and is blatant mis-information. You're rim is located on your hub/spindle this way and unless your hub/spindle was designed as lug-centric(it's not) this is not a good idea.

If you wanna make your own post about flush rims requiring rolled fenders and stretched tires and spacers that are going to fvck your sh!t up by all means do so... But don't come in here and crap all over my thread.

This post has been edited by WannabeGT4: Oct 6, 2009 - 10:15 PM

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QUOTE (WannabeGT4 @ Oct 6, 2009 - 11:14 PM) *
>You've lost all credibility with this post. You should NOT use non-hubcentric spacers on cars that have hubcentric rims from the factory... This is basic and is blatant mis-information. You're rim is located on your hub/spindle this way and unless your hub/spindle was designed as lug-centric(it's not) this is not a good idea.

If you wanna make your own post about flush rims requiring rolled fenders and stretched tires and spacers that are going to fvck your sh!t up by all means do so... But don't come in here and crap all over my thread.



What do you truly know about cars? Honestly.

Most people on this forum fall into the category of: I believe what I read on the internet when it comes to all this car stuff. You realize lug centric and hub centric are just there to center your wheel. You do realize this right. Because from what I gather you seem to think that a small plastic ring shoved between your wheel and your hub will somehow make your parts 100x better. And that should something go wrong my hub ring will bear the weight of my wheel so my studs are not ripped out. Seriously, is this what you believe?


I have been running Lug centric for over 80,000 miles now. Holy crap, nothing and I mean nothing has gone wrong. Oh my.....

and for the record. It is called a wheel. Not a rim.

And yes, I will go make my own thread. Good day sir, I said good day.

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QUOTE (Harold_Fastwaker @ Oct 6, 2009 - 10:40 PM) *
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QUOTE (WannabeGT4 @ Oct 6, 2009 - 11:14 PM) *
>You've lost all credibility with this post. You should NOT use non-hubcentric spacers on cars that have hubcentric rims from the factory... This is basic and is blatant mis-information. You're rim is located on your hub/spindle this way and unless your hub/spindle was designed as lug-centric(it's not) this is not a good idea.

If you wanna make your own post about flush rims requiring rolled fenders and stretched tires and spacers that are going to fvck your sh!t up by all means do so... But don't come in here and crap all over my thread.



What do you truly know about cars? Honestly.

Most people on this forum fall into the category of: I believe what I read on the internet when it comes to all this car stuff. You realize lug centric and hub centric are just there to center your wheel. You do realize this right. Because from what I gather you seem to think that a small plastic ring shoved between your wheel and your hub will somehow make your parts 100x better. And that should something go wrong my hub ring will bear the weight of my wheel so my studs are not ripped out. Seriously, is this what you believe?


I have been running Lug centric for over 80,000 miles now. Holy crap, nothing and I mean nothing has gone wrong. Oh my.....

and for the record. It is called a wheel. Not a rim.

And yes, I will go make my own thread. Good day sir, I said good day.


You just don't get it.

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mines a daily driver and I often carry birds in the back and stuff in the boot so can't have rubbing nor do I want to roll the arches.
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QUOTE (Tom_SS2 @ Oct 7, 2009 - 4:53 AM) *
>mines a daily driver and I often carry birds in the back and stuff in the boot so can't have rubbing nor do I want to roll the arches.



I DD mine as well. I lug junk all the time in my trunk, anything from my bike, to golf equipment, computer junk, mulch or sandbags, etc.

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To reinforce 40mm being doggy doo doo on a lowered car, this is my first Celica on 17x7 et42. 2mm away from the magical number. Lowered on Ground Control coilovers. You can see just how sunk in the wheels are by the shadow the fenders are casting.


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I think these rims are too skinny to look good with spacers anyway.

This post has been edited by SwissFerdi: Oct 7, 2009 - 11:33 PM

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You don't wanna see how sunk in my Enkei RS-6 wheels are in my Celica. laugh.gif I bought them online without even knowing about wheels. Being young and stupid hurts you sometimes. I still have them...seven years later, LOL.

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QUOTE (95CelicaST @ Oct 7, 2009 - 11:15 PM) *
>To reinforce 40mm being doggy doo doo on a lowered car, this is my first Celica on 17x7 et42. 2mm away from the magical number.


OMG I give up...

7" wide should be 30mm offset with a 15mm spacer (effectively 15mm of offset)

You're off by a whole inch that's why it looks so sunk in... Also why I keep re-iterating the importance of taking the width of the rim into consideration when considering offset.


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I am looking at some 18x7 Konigs with a +45 offset I think I will probably have to get different tires since it has 225/45/18 installed now, but will the rims work? I do not want them sticking out past the fenders. I dont mind putting a small spacer to get them to sit more flush, but I dont want them to rub on anything either.


This post has been edited by Con99vert: Oct 15, 2009 - 12:37 PM

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QUOTE (Con99vert @ Oct 15, 2009 - 10:36 AM) *
>I am looking at some 18x7 Konigs with a +45 offset I think I will probably have to get different tires since it has 225/45/18 installed now, but will the rims work? I do not want them sticking out past the fenders. I dont mind putting a small spacer to get them to sit more flush, but I dont want them to rub on anything either.

look at the picture of the black gar with gold wheels a couple posts above yours... yours will be 3mm MORE sunked in than that!

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It looks like I am going to need some spacers. I am just wondering if the 225/45/18 tires will fit or rub. I would like to lower it too, but worried about rubbing with the larger tires when lowered.

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QUOTE (Con99vert @ Oct 15, 2009 - 3:47 PM) *
>It looks like I am going to need some spacers. I am just wondering if the 225/45/18 tires will fit or rub. I would like to lower it too, but worried about rubbing with the larger tires when lowered.



Mount one on the front and then the rear. Best way to see what can possibly rub. Probably need a 5mm spacer though.

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I am confused so much info coming from alot of people. I am about to buy some rims. They are pretty expensive so I dont want to get the wrong setup.
My car is lowered 2 inches. The rims I am looking at are 17 inch with a 35 offset and they are 8 inches wide. Will these work without a spacer?
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QUOTE (mk7celica @ Oct 16, 2009 - 12:56 AM) *
>I am confused so much info coming from alot of people. I am about to buy some rims. They are pretty expensive so I dont want to get the wrong setup.
My car is lowered 2 inches. The rims I am looking at are 17 inch with a 35 offset and they are 8 inches wide. Will these work without a spacer?


you won't need a spacer, trust me, i have 17x8 +32 and was lowered 2 inches
rubbing will depend on the tire size, with 225/45/17 you will rub in the front when steering wheel is cranked
in the rear you will hit the fender lip if you do sharp turn and have body roll OR hit a big bump
with a 215/45/17 it shouldn't rub ever, but depends on what brand of tire.
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QUOTE (mk7celica @ Oct 15, 2009 - 9:56 PM) *
>I am confused so much info coming from alot of people. I am about to buy some rims. They are pretty expensive so I dont want to get the wrong setup.
My car is lowered 2 inches. The rims I am looking at are 17 inch with a 35 offset and they are 8 inches wide. Will these work without a spacer?

I had 17x8 with a 35 offset, lowered on tein s-techs. They fit great without a spacer! only rubbing I ever had was in the front on full-lock steering with my 225/45/17 tires

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35 offset 17x8 i am glad they will fit cause I just bought them. I will run a p215 so I dont have to worry about rubbing.
My old rims are 42 offset so these should be closer to the fender?
Yes they will be closer to flush then what you had.

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QUOTE (trdproven @ Oct 19, 2008 - 7:25 AM) *
>all depends on the width and offset, my 7.5" and 32 offset is still clearing the fender rim. If you are not thinking of dropping the car too low, you can get much wider rims. Local shops will be able to calculate that for you for the celica specifically.


oh ok well i already understood the difference in offsets. I know that +35 offset will fit on the celica just fine even when i decide to buy megan coilovers and drop 2.5-3 inches i should be fine, right TRD....

ok now my question is this when manufactures determine wheel offset. is the center hub closer to the center/middle of the rim or do they make the center hub deep. im not making any sense am I... I mean some rims have that sucked in look and others have a flat look. Lets say that you compare a Advan RCII wheel that has +45 vs +35 offset. Will one rim have that sucked in look over the other, like the rim has a bowl look to it.....

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The lower the offset if the wheel is designed for the sunk/bowl look then it will have it. Some wheels no matter what your offset will maintain the same look. If you want the bowl look then the lower offset will give this.

35 offset is 35 no matter what wheel you buy.

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it is called concave
i have yet to see a deep concave wheel on a 6gc
its an amazing look tho, i would rather have huge concave than a huge lip
really the only 5x100 wheels i have found with huge concave are the 17x9 +30 rota torques
but i don't want to be the first one to do 17x9s in the front
so if i can sell my wheels i have now i'll run staggered, 17x8 +35s in the front (with flat face) and 17x9 +30s in rear (deep concave)
i've seen this look on some s2000s, pretty awesome
Advan RCIIs are beautiful, but discontinued. There was a used set of 5x100 17x8.5 +45s going for $1200 a couple months ago. They have a bit of concave as seen here.

Lower offset allows for a deeper concave or larger lip, but as Harold said, it depends on the manufacturer, with companies like Work or 5zigen, 7-8" wide will have flat face, 8.5-9" will have semi-concave, 9-9.5" will have deep concave, so it depends more on width, not offset.

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QUOTE (Promasta @ Oct 25, 2009 - 2:07 PM) *
>but i don't want to be the first one to do 17x9s in the front
so if i can sell my wheels i have now i'll run staggered, 17x8 +35s in the front (with flat face) and 17x9 +30s in rear (deep concave)
i've seen this look on some s2000s, pretty awesome

Well harold has like 9" or 9.5" at the front, if your worried about anything...

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don't think anyone has done 9 front
I did 9.5 up front as a test run with my rears to see if I liked the lip or not. I plan to change spacers and run et23 offset upfront or possibly et15.

You will rarely see a concave wheel set on a celica since nobody wants to run higher than 8s all around with high offsets.

If I truly gave a crap I would buy a set of TE37s in 9.5 front and 10.5 or 11.5 in the rear for the celica. But I am trying to get a project FC or FD going so I really dont want to keep dumping money in this car. It is my DD so I am trying to not make it look to outrageous for theft purposes. But I am considering a future turbo setup just to make my commute a bit more fun.





I know this is what you are looking for in the end. But as you can see, you need quite a low offset for it.



This post has been edited by Harold_Fastwaker: Oct 25, 2009 - 1:58 AM

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ya i love those advan rcII i plan on getting those in 16x7 in white or gold. Anybody know how much they weigh??

now my question is this. I know that sti's and evo's have high offset. Why is that. So if we put low offset wheels on our car they will clear our brake calipers right?? what the offset on a gt-4????

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ok question, i have 03 gts rims on an st, what space will make them look flush?

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Go find the flush wheel fitment thread. I believe 7th gen GTS wheels are 6.5" wide at +39.

Flush front wheels at 6.5" is 0mm, so you'll need a 39mm spacer.

Rear flushness at 6.5" is -15mm, so you'll need a 54mm spacer.

And good luck with that. Flush 6.5" wheels will look silly. You need more width than that.

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