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Topic #36968 133 posts Started by x_itchy_b_x
presure2
#31
yea it is, it is the toyota distributed, electronic parts catolog. i downloaded it years ago, the link has since gone dead.
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lagos
#32
finally we get some soild info on what tranny that is.
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x_itchy_b_x
#33
wait so im confused. if i want longer gears and a higher top speed what tranny do i want?
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lagos
#34
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wait so im confused. if i want longer gears and a higher top speed what tranny do i want?



the mr2 turbo one
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x_itchy_b_x
#35
wasnt there a 6speed tranny that people wanted to get there hands on? the solara tranny or somthing. maybe im wrong but. help me out.
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BBoYRuGGeD
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wasnt there a 6speed tranny that people wanted to get there hands on? the solara tranny or somthing. maybe im wrong but. help me out.


that tranny is dual synchros but not 6 speed i think...also i read that some of the mr2 turbo e153's also came with dual synchros but i dunno the year

edit: also from what ive read the camry v6/solara e153s have longer gearing than the mr2 turbo e153

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This post has been edited by BBoYRuGGeD: May 9, 2006 - 7:52 PM
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lagos
#37
also.... i know some guys with the solara tranny. they really didnt like the longer gearing . it makes the car a bit slower then the gearing in the s54.

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Defgeph
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so then you have an s54 which is the same thing as a GT tranny? confused.gif


As we have just found out thanks to Manny.
I have a JDM S54, which has a few differences. From my personal experience, Axle seals are different, axles, input shaft, and whatever else might be going on inside. Also, the fact that when I launch the car the first tire to spin is the passenger side. For the USDM S54 its the drivers side(sitting in the car). Thats the one thing that I find odd.

My theory Tranny is designed with the driver on the oposite side of the car. So they make the opposite axle the initial drive axle. Then the short axles immediatley follows giving me the ability to leave two strips on the ground.But, I do not have L.S.D. Figure that one out smile.gif


BTW: John, did you fix your tranny yet ?
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Aaagogo
#39
who rebuilt ur axle?

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My tranny came from a celica or curren, it's a FWD tranny. Not an MR2 tranny. My axles bolted right up(after a small rebuild). smile.gif

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Defgeph
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who rebuilt ur axle?

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My tranny came from a celica or curren, it's a FWD tranny. Not an MR2 tranny. My axles bolted right up(after a small rebuild). smile.gif



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Supersprynt
#41
Jeff - I knew yours didnt come outta an MR2, just that it was an S54, sorry about that confusion.

Manny - I am thinking the part # difference would be due to one tranny being configured for RWD and the other FWD?

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BBoYRuGGeD
#42
so the s54 that came with the 5sfe and the 3sge is the same...this gives me a lil' confidence to beat on my s54 just a lil' bit more biggrin.gif

bboy
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brianforster
#43
i wonder what the part number is for the 3sge celica tranny, maybe that would help us
Batman722
#44
OK I have some info from looking at the EPC

st202s came with either a e56 and an s54...the e56 was only until 96 and the s54 was available all years.

the axles were different on ST202s (one with SuperStrut and one without)

also, the LSD was available from 96+ on the st202s
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Supersprynt
#45
The E56 could be an auto tranny?

LSDs on what transmission? That would be a great transmission to use! Problem here is availability. No S54 in the states had LSD.

Part #s for the axles? I think that would be an great thing to get to upgrade the S54 for the swaps.
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Batman722
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i wonder what the part number is for the 3sge celica tranny, maybe that would help us

st202 - 3sge
30300-2b560 until 96
30300-2b570 all years
30300-2b670 96+ LSD

US st204 - 5sfe
30300-2b580

help you much BrianForster ?
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brianforster
#47
for those interested i am downloading the toyota electronic parts catalog at the moment, im going to look into creating a bittorrent to distribute it amongst the community.
BBoYRuGGeD
#48
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for those interested i am downloading the toyota electronic parts catalog at the moment, im going to look into creating a bittorrent to distribute it amongst the community.


please do smile.gif

bboy
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brianforster
#49
its 500 megs, and i think i need access to a tracker and webserver, so i am going to try to find a free one around the net.
Defgeph
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Jeff - I knew yours didnt come outta an MR2, just that it was an S54, sorry about that confusion.

Manny - I am thinking the part # difference would be due to one tranny being configured for RWD and the other FWD?


I was just stating for everyone else reading, no problem Erik.
Manny posted the part numbers for a USDM s54 tranny and a JDM s54 Both tranny's are from front wheel drives celicas that he listed.

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so the s54 that came with the 5sfe and the 3sge is the same...this gives me a lil' confidence to beat on my s54 just a lil' bit more biggrin.gif
bboy


There are a few differences between the tranny's. Calling them the same would be unfair at this point. Manny wanted to explode the insides of the two trannys on the EPC to see the true differences. Wait until its confirmed.
You shouldnt have to worry about your tranny. There are plenty of people running the S54 hard.

I listed a few differences on the exterior of the tranny on page 2, I'd like to see what the interior looks like on each.
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Batman722
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There are a few differences between the tranny's. Calling them the same would be unfair at this point. Manny wanted to explode the insides of the two trannys on the EPC to see the true differences. Wait until its confirmed.
You shouldnt have to worry about your tranny. There are plenty of people running the S54 hard.

I listed a few differences on the exterior of the tranny on page 2, I'd like to see what the interior looks like on each.

I exploded both of the trannys...54 and the 56
the 54 looks much more complex...hard to explain.
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Supersprynt
#52
Good stuff guys!
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brianforster
#53
we are talking about the interior differences of the s54 mated to the 3sge in an mr2, and the s54 mated to the 5sfe in teh celica
Batman722
#54
OK here it is...pics.

top left you will see the prod date, model and under that is the tranny code

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brianforster
#55
batman, can you check the part numbers of the s54 offered in 6th gen with the 3sge (ss-III)?
Supersprynt
#56
If we knew Jeff's part #s we could probably find out which tranny its from.
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Batman722
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If we knew Jeff's part #s we could probably find out which tranny its from.

if I had Jeff's tranny part #, I could find out much info on it....
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brianforster
#58
from mannys post earlier in the thread, jeffs part number is :

30300-2B570
lagos
#59
the 3sge was also sold in the 4th gen celica. not saying thats what jeff has, just that it might be something to look into, also.


if the insides of the jdm s54 were any different, wouldnt they change the model number of the trans?
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brianforster
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heres a screenshot from my EPC.
the 3sge tranny is in fact coded as "S-54"
however, the trannys carry diffrent part #s, as well as the axels.
30300-2B570 3SGE tranny
30300-2B580 5SFE tranny
43410-20730 3SGE non-ABS axle
43410-20670 5SFE non-ABS axle



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the 3sge was also sold in the 4th gen celica. not saying thats what jeff has, just that it might be something to look into, also.


if the insides of the jdm s54 were any different, wouldnt they change the model number of the trans?


well the jdm and usdm 3sgtes are still 3sgtes

heres what i want to compare:
30300-2B570 - 3sge s54 found in mr2
30300-2B580 - 5sfe s54 found in celica
XXXXX-XXXXX - 3sge s54 found in celica

i have the same theory as erik that the part number for the s54 found in the mr2 is because it is for rwd.

id like to compare the s54 mated with the 3sge found in celicas to see if that part number changes back to 2B580
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