will the e56 bolt on to our setups easier than the e153?
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it might.... but good luck finding one!
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will the e56 bolt on to our setups easier than the e153?
will the e56 bolt on to our setups easier than the e153?
it might.... but good luck finding one!
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in that other thread in the n/a forum, someone has e56 with SS setup, so it might not be possible, or atleast without a suspension swap
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Oh well, nice to c this thread. I have -94 ST202(129kw 3SGE euroversion) with super strut setup. My tranny is E56(manual) and its with LSD ?. Right now some bearings inside box are going to dead and i need new ones. Any idea if S54 fits straight to my car ? If not i have to repair old one and it costs more than some used S54(repairing its like 1200$ and used tranny costs 600$). Seems that these are VERY rare in finland...
This post has been edited by Belhan: May 10, 2006 - 12:49 PM
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in that other thread in the n/a forum, someone has e56 with SS setup, so it might not be possible, or atleast without a suspension swap
in that other thread in the n/a forum, someone has e56 with SS setup, so it might not be possible, or atleast without a suspension swap
Oh well, nice to c this thread. I have -94 ST202(129kw 3SGE euroversion) with super strut setup. My tranny is E56(manual) and its with LSD ?. Right now some bearings inside box are going to dead and i need new ones. Any idea if S54 fits straight to my car ? If not i have to repair old one and it costs more than some used S54(repairing its like 1200$ and used tranny costs 600$). Seems that these are VERY rare in finland...
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Since its an E-series trans, it'll have most of the same issues as the E153. I've seen a pic of one once, and it looked just like the E153 on the outside. I'd almost bet that its an E153 with a different gear set.
Quick google search - a version of the E56 was used in the 1988 AWD Camry and Rav4. Need to do some research on that.
The axels for the E56 trans may be the perfect solution for the E153 conversion though, since they are the correct length for the celica's and made for an E series trans. I'd check the differential pinion part numbers, but its kinda pointless since the axels are probably not available in the US.
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If I'm right, and the E56 is like the E153, then you would also need to replace 3 of the engine mounts to fit the S54. The E153 may be a smoother swap then the S54 for you.
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>will the e56 bolt on to our setups easier than the e153?
Since its an E-series trans, it'll have most of the same issues as the E153. I've seen a pic of one once, and it looked just like the E153 on the outside. I'd almost bet that its an E153 with a different gear set.
Quick google search - a version of the E56 was used in the 1988 AWD Camry and Rav4. Need to do some research on that.
The axels for the E56 trans may be the perfect solution for the E153 conversion though, since they are the correct length for the celica's and made for an E series trans. I'd check the differential pinion part numbers, but its kinda pointless since the axels are probably not available in the US.
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If I'm right, and the E56 is like the E153, then you would also need to replace 3 of the engine mounts to fit the S54. The E153 may be a smoother swap then the S54 for you.
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Superstruts and McPherson setups are interchangable. I've had both setups on my car without changing the axels.
Just for reference, here are my recent experiences:
First, I fit the ST205 trans & axels into my ST185 - perfect fit.
Next I put an MR2 tranny with LSD and the MR2/185 axel combo into the 96 Celica ST. The result was the short RH axel talked about in other threads, but the axels fit fine when extended. This means that the 185/205/202 axles are interchangable in regards to the hub (ST and GT - same hub).
Then I thought, maybe the superstut suspension would fix the short axel. Swapped the 205's suspension and sub-frame over. No difference (verified with calipers). This means that the superstrut and McPherson setups and interchangable.
So, this leads me to believe that we can swap between C series (Celica ST), S Series, and E series transmissions providing we use the right axels.
I've heard some of the 205 rally guys swap out the superstruts with the standard McPherson setups for reliablity. Superstruts are absolutely great on street/track, but aren't durable enough for rally courses.
This post has been edited by scothaniel: May 10, 2006 - 2:08 PM
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Superstruts and McPherson setups are interchangable. I've had both setups on my car without changing the axels.
Just for reference, here are my recent experiences:
First, I fit the ST205 trans & axels into my ST185 - perfect fit.
Next I put an MR2 tranny with LSD and the MR2/185 axel combo into the 96 Celica ST. The result was the short RH axel talked about in other threads, but the axels fit fine when extended. This means that the 185/205/202 axles are interchangable in regards to the hub (ST and GT - same hub).
Then I thought, maybe the superstut suspension would fix the short axel. Swapped the 205's suspension and sub-frame over. No difference (verified with calipers). This means that the superstrut and McPherson setups and interchangable.
So, this leads me to believe that we can swap between C series (Celica ST), S Series, and E series transmissions providing we use the right axels.
I've heard some of the 205 rally guys swap out the superstruts with the standard McPherson setups for reliablity. Superstruts are absolutely great on street/track, but aren't durable enough for rally courses.
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I'm about 99% sure it would be the same speed @ the same RPM. If not the same then very close. I think Manny is running the same profile tires I am. So we can check with his car.
This saturday I'll take a pic of 5th gear @ 4,000 RPM.
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3 sets of tires 15" Stockers, 17" Falkens, and my drag radials. All break loose on the passenger side first. I can assure you its not tire pressure. What it is I couldnt tell you, it has boggled me since the first time I noticed it.
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an easy way to verify the gear ratio would be to have jeff take a pic of his MPH at 3-4k. then have somone else with a s54 do the same.
the max speed per gear, listed aboive, is compared at different RPM's...by the way.
an easy way to verify the gear ratio would be to have jeff take a pic of his MPH at 3-4k. then have somone else with a s54 do the same.
the max speed per gear, listed aboive, is compared at different RPM's...by the way.
I'm about 99% sure it would be the same speed @ the same RPM. If not the same then very close. I think Manny is running the same profile tires I am. So we can check with his car.
This saturday I'll take a pic of 5th gear @ 4,000 RPM.
Also,
3 sets of tires 15" Stockers, 17" Falkens, and my drag radials. All break loose on the passenger side first. I can assure you its not tire pressure. What it is I couldnt tell you, it has boggled me since the first time I noticed it.
I will return one day.
wow that could be a great axle solution if those axles fit perfect... like in the hud carrier bearing and all... Now I just wonder where to get them? How hard would it be to get curren axles?
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oh ****... used S54 is 600$ and used E56 is 1100$ !!! gotta fix the old tranny 
Talked with some importer and he said that here is only few st202 with E56 in Finland. Its some special addon for this model i guess.
Talked with some importer and he said that here is only few st202 with E56 in Finland. Its some special addon for this model i guess.
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could that be from the left axel being shorter than the right. the power gets to the ground sooner?
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3 sets of tires 15" Stockers, 17" Falkens, and my drag radials. All break loose on the passenger side first. I can assure you its not tire pressure. What it is I couldnt tell you, it has boggled me since the first time I noticed it.
3 sets of tires 15" Stockers, 17" Falkens, and my drag radials. All break loose on the passenger side first. I can assure you its not tire pressure. What it is I couldnt tell you, it has boggled me since the first time I noticed it.
could that be from the left axel being shorter than the right. the power gets to the ground sooner?
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Right side is the long axle, left side is the short. Right side spins first on my tranny. It should burn out the other way around.
I will return one day.
yeah, but you really cant compare them like that. you would need 2 cars with the same exact mods with the same driver to see if it only happened in only one car or not.
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find out the part # Ill try it with my e153 converstion.
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I can tell you - its big power in a FWD setup with the lack of a LSD. My car breaks the tires loose at the same time when going straight.
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I'm about 99% sure it would be the same speed @ the same RPM. If not the same then very close. I think Manny is running the same profile tires I am. So we can check with his car.
This saturday I'll take a pic of 5th gear @ 4,000 RPM.
Also,
3 sets of tires 15" Stockers, 17" Falkens, and my drag radials. All break loose on the passenger side first. I can assure you its not tire pressure. What it is I couldnt tell you, it has boggled me since the first time I noticed it.
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QUOTE(lagos @ May 10, 2006 - 1:07 PM) [snapback]432429[/snapback]
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an easy way to verify the gear ratio would be to have jeff take a pic of his MPH at 3-4k. then have somone else with a s54 do the same.
the max speed per gear, listed aboive, is compared at different RPM's...by the way.
an easy way to verify the gear ratio would be to have jeff take a pic of his MPH at 3-4k. then have somone else with a s54 do the same.
the max speed per gear, listed aboive, is compared at different RPM's...by the way.
I'm about 99% sure it would be the same speed @ the same RPM. If not the same then very close. I think Manny is running the same profile tires I am. So we can check with his car.
This saturday I'll take a pic of 5th gear @ 4,000 RPM.
Also,
3 sets of tires 15" Stockers, 17" Falkens, and my drag radials. All break loose on the passenger side first. I can assure you its not tire pressure. What it is I couldnt tell you, it has boggled me since the first time I noticed it.
I can tell you - its big power in a FWD setup with the lack of a LSD. My car breaks the tires loose at the same time when going straight.
This post has been edited by jgreening: May 12, 2006 - 8:37 AM
QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback]i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this.
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Dont you have LSD? That experiment wouldnt [dis]prove anything.
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find out the part # Ill try it with my e153 converstion.
find out the part # Ill try it with my e153 converstion.
Dont you have LSD? That experiment wouldnt [dis]prove anything.
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damn I didnt even think of that..... took cutrara for a ride today on the highway...I think he peed himself :X
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QUOTE (cjh4l22 @ May 15, 2009 - 4:02 AM)hey, nice mod does it come in hetero?Need parts?I'm parting out a '94 ST
Drove around all day with the new spacer in... I made 2 spacers this time and I Put the correct snap ring in and nothing has happened... atleast not yet. well see what happens... sprynt do you want me to take some pics of my set up?
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the s54 snap ring fits barely not good not snug barely fits in there I used it... stupid Idea.
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well here was the problem. i knew i wass right
POS SPEC CLUTCH, im gunna be writing a big nasty letter to them. this is only 600 miles!!
POS SPEC CLUTCH, im gunna be writing a big nasty letter to them. this is only 600 miles!!
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wow!
call them up.... i bet they will replace it free.
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well here was the problem. i knew i wass right
POS SPEC CLUTCH, im gunna be writing a big nasty letter to them. this is only 600 miles!!
well here was the problem. i knew i wass right
POS SPEC CLUTCH, im gunna be writing a big nasty letter to them. this is only 600 miles!!
wow!
call them up.... i bet they will replace it free.
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More anecdotal evidence of the superiority of CM over Spec.
QUOTE(lagos @ Jul 10, 2006 - 1:55 PM) [snapback]454118[/snapback]i know your trying to do the right thing for your motor, but this is one of those times where you should just trust the guys who have had their swaps for a while and have done a ton of research into this.
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holy CRAP!
have you contacted spec yet??
thats GOTTA be covered..lol
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well here was the problem. i knew i wass right
POS SPEC CLUTCH, im gunna be writing a big nasty letter to them. this is only 600 miles!!
well here was the problem. i knew i wass right
POS SPEC CLUTCH, im gunna be writing a big nasty letter to them. this is only 600 miles!!
holy CRAP!
have you contacted spec yet??
thats GOTTA be covered..lol
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I reallllly HATE bringing this thread back.... BUT it seems to have happend again!!!! after only 5000 miles!! SPEC i am not pleased at all. David Norton will be getting an email soon.. So yeah get off of an on ramp, get into first Vrromm pst shift at like 3k (normal driving) get into 2nd let the clutch out and give it gas, BAM all the way to 7k with no noise anything. wtf.... all my gears are dead axels fine ect, i havent pulled it apart yet but this is exactly what happend before.
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dude its time to move on to a different clutch.... LOL
sorry to hear about your problems. i wanna see if it happened again.
sorry to hear about your problems. i wanna see if it happened again.
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itchy. you sure your not doing something wrong when u install them ? how long do you wait to break it in?
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its been broken in for 500 miles at stock boost. i followed the BGB to spec with everything and had other friends (who build motors also) check out everything. I know we did everything just like the book says. my dad checked it out also, and i trust him more than anyone, hes very experienced with automotive installs. i wouldnt question my mechanical skills. and even so, how do you screw up a clutch install?! its a flywheel pressure plate ,clutch disc and throwout bearing. 4 items that you line up , torque to spec and bolt the tranny to its not rocket science by any means. my last spec clutch speaks for itself i mean HOW does that break like that on less than 300 hp its rated for 400tq, it was a rivet defect im told. now this one ****s the bed. Spec has left me with a Horrible taste in my mouth. i owned an ACT stage 2 before that was rated for 300tq on the 5sfte and that thing was/is perfect. I really didnt want this set back, now ill add it to the list of crap to do. the only thing im happy about is that it broke when it did and not after i install a big holset turbo, now I atleast have plenty of time to fix.
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