Okay I have read many threads and im still confused. i've talked to baddica about his awd stuff he has. here are some pictures he sent me:







i was reading celiman05's thread about his awd conversion and he doesn't state how he did it. i will not be doing it because my cousin is helping me. he is great at fabricating and welding. but im not sure if baddica has all the stuff needed. someone help me out on things that are needed. YEs i do have the finances to do this. since baddica lives near me i could just scoop up his awd conversion stuff. well help me out. im very interested in doing this.

if you live around celiman05 and you have money, you should talk to his dad and ask how much he would charge to do it for you. its not an easy thing to do and you really have to know your stuff.

or if you really do have the money to do this, why not just buy the black one thats already converted and being sold right now on this site?

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^^ i live way far from celiman05. anyways well i want to learn to do things and 11K is outta my range.

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so what kind of budget do you have for this project?

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x2 ---> a AWD conversion costs as much, or more than the car in the B/S forum being sold here. I've heard around $15k.

~snap

This post has been edited by snapshotgt: May 29, 2006 - 1:25 PM

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i highly doubt that! where is all that cost coming from? if you do all the fabricating yourself? Ill be doing it after i get the swapped st (hopefully..crosses fingers) i have a frind that owns a shop that does rollcages and fabrication, he gives me great deals..like back halfing my 1073 plymouth and doing a full cage for $2000! thats a 4 link also (i already had the frame and suspension)

This can't be much more work..ill probably add a cage also. the floors ont he 6th gens as the same (in the passenger compartment., the trunk is different)

Steve

its a lot of custom work and you need a lot of little stuff people forget about. pretty soon everything adds up to more then you think.

for starters you need to do a 3sgte swap thats at least 5 grand. if you already have one, you have to take your motor out and swap the awd tranny in . thats at least a grand right there to buy the tranny and a new clutch. then you need the whole rear end and drive shaft. probably need the suspension, and brake setup from the gt4 to make things work right with the new subframe. not to mention that you need to have done something like this a few times before to make sure you put the rear end on straight and that nothing will come loose and kill you one day.


for 11grand, the already converted and swaped one is a steal.

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I talked to the person that has the converted st205 in the b/s forum, that's where i got the $15k number.

I agree with Art, that st205 is a HUGE steal, it already has a 3sgte swap, AND FULL AWD conversion with all gt4 OEM parts. Many experienced members here would tell you that the 11 k is great price.

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This post has been edited by snapshotgt: May 29, 2006 - 2:28 PM

no doubt that is a steal!!! but im sure that i can do it cheaper, plus i have some one who build race car chassis and such so im sure that he could put it in with no problems. ill be looking for all the parts soon, it would be nice to buy a rear half cut

Steve

man as im reading this, im thinking my awd aint going to happen then.

how much do all the awd parts usually go for???

well, your looking at in the neighborhood of 3k for just for a clean front cut, then at least another 2k+ or so for the rear, and thats if you can find a great deal.
and thats the easiest part.
unless you or someone you know that likes to work free is a master fabricator, (like celiman05) or you have VERY deep pockets to drop into a 10yr old car, it just aint gonna happen.

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well, yaa see, im the one selling the awd parts...they came with my st205 front clip and im pretty sure i have everything to make it happen, and im not selling it for much at all.. so i dont think a project like this is going to cost as much as people make it seem...

too many people are nay saying on this forum... its not going to help moral for this guy. so lets HELP him instead. celiman05 if you can think of any parts you dont see and had to buy to make ur swap happen. help out and post it. also ask guys like gt4wrc for pics of their under carriage so you can get an idea of what youll need.

STOP SAYING NO!!!!

..and im spent

i have mentioned this so many times my fingers hurt typing it again .. as one of the old guys on this forum i have to say when your dealing with drivetrain and structual parts of a car doing things "cheaply" may seem great at first but i assure you in time you will end up paying more ..this a fact ...

there is no awd conversion celica in the US that even remotely impresses me in overall build quality except for rod millens 7th gen but he had unlimited budget . a few on this site had done it and i applaud them for trying to have a complete st205 as possible ..

anyone seriously commited to awd swap .. you really need to get a hold of a importer and get a roof cut st205 which will cost you 4-6k .. with this you will have everything needed to have a complete st205 .. gas tank, lines, floor pan, drivetrain ..etc.... this will save you a ton of money in the long run and if done correctly no one could tell it was converted .. you might even have a car that could bring some good money if you decided to sell later on

later this summer i will set up a thread full of detailed pictures of just about every inch of my st205 for all to use ..

This post has been edited by FORGMANN: May 29, 2006 - 8:25 PM

thanks forgmann for the help and the word to teh wise to do it, but do it right. i may just want that info here shortly

well the car im getting is already turbo...and fully built. a trans is pretty cheap.as noone uses theres for there swap.... there are plenty of race cars that are backhalfed..whats the difference??? its acutally easier!!

i agree try to help people instead of saying no, becuase every year there is more and more poeple doing it.

Again toyota is a master at re-using parts. don't think that the st205 is a totally different car! the driveshaft tunell is already there..so the fuel tank isn't in the right spot, that probably has to do with crash saftey..plus it gives the person to mount it rearward, to help with traction on the rear.

Im not saying that anyone can do this, it is a very seriuos matter you don't only indanger yourself but anyone else around you. This is only left to profesionals (or atleast looking over and checking).

And why hasn't anyone that has acutally done it, posted photos and give detailed instructions on whats was needed???

Steve

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really? where? because i only know of 2 that exist, and one of them is for sale.

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^^^well you never know man. only a handfull of us here. there's the other million or even billion people. there could be some people out there who has done it but never came out. no one knows for sure. those are the only two you know because they're really the only ones who came out.

There is a red one in europe. It was a ST converted into a ST205.
It was mentioned here about a year ago.

If you have the means to do the conversion, do it. I would love to have AWD in my car. I have been thinking about doing it as well. Like noted above this is not something you can cheap out on. Everything has to be very well planned, calculated, and built perfect. Time, money, and skill is all it really takes. I hope you can pull it off, I would like to some day.

A how to in the future would be freaking amazing !

Here is my opinion: The fact that 3 or 4 known people have done this swap is not a good thing for the average reader of this forum. Some people will be encouraged to try this despite not having the skills or budget.

Bottom line: If you want a powerful AWD import buy a STI thats a few years old. Much wiser move.

I agree with you Jay.

Searched alittle

Kinda side tracking here, but I really like this thread. RWD

What a job that would be.

an oldie but a goodie.

Just to butt in here, you are taking on a mamoth task doing the 4wd conversion. I have to agree with previous posts, it is not a simple job to do. But if your serious about it and have the time and means to do it - fair play.

There is a guy on the GT4OC who did the conversion bout a year ago. Who found it easier to remove the entire floorpan from his 6th gen and replace it with the gt4 floor pan, thus having all the fittings etc for the 4wd. Again though the quality of fabrication and strength is a must. His turned out absolutley brilliant and the photo gallery of the piece by piece of the work showed just how big a job it was.

I would take some time to plan your conversion before tackling it.

Good luck fella,

Andy.....

reminds me of me just a couple months ago about my swap.. my my

This post has been edited by brianforster: May 30, 2006 - 10:24 AM

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do you have a link to his photo gallery?

I will have a search around the GT4OC and see if i can find it for you. Basically it was a complete strip down of the car, to the bare shell, then re built. Not an easy task !

Andy....

Fixing the bugs that come up with just swapping the motor in to the GT/ST shell can be pretty intense, I don't even want to know what kind of problems you'd have with a complete drivetrain swap. These guys that are 'nay sayers' in this thread are just doing it to save people a headache which could cost thousands of dollars, or personal injury due to improper installation.

Even if the swap was done professionally by 1000's of Toyota engineers, it would still not be 100% the same as a genuine ST205.

While nothing is impossible with a huge budget, the ends do not justify the means. If you want an AWD turbo'd car, buy one that was made that way.

This post has been edited by sinner96ST: May 30, 2006 - 11:44 AM

To make sure that everyone knows, this isn't something that i would do in my garage, i know someone that does chassis and race cages. now backhalfing a race car with a prebuilt frame and suspension isn't crazy hard. Its just time to make sure everything is perfect! Im sure that it can't be much different. And im positive that someone that does stuff like that for a living can do it!

Now if you have to change the whole floorpan, you might aswell put in a tube chassis and such.

Now this car will be a race car that is streetlegal. it will be a weekend car and for races around my house...some scca and such.

Steve

and also it will have a full welded cage

This post has been edited by celicasteve: May 30, 2006 - 6:07 PM

11K for the setup might sound right depending on what route you decide to go. Honestly my car would be a great candidate for it if I decide to keep my car and not sell it. I keep on thinking this winter I should try it. I already have the e153 tranny. I could easily get a awd e153 swap that over. I have the front of the car figured out. I keep looking at it when its up on the lift thinking of possibilities and how I would do it. Im not very good at fab but my buddy is who owns a shop http://1st-try.com. He says the driveshaft wouldnt be to hard to do. Just re do the floor pan and pop a drive shaft there. And the last part would be the gas tank/rear end.

Im thinking if it works out....
trade my fwd e153 for a awd e153.. If I cant trade ill always ell it and get a awd one back
already have new spec 3 clutch / fid flywheel...

Custom driveshaft
Floor pan....
Drop tank make a fuel cell in the trunk
I would need all rear suspension / rear end from a gt4.

Im wondering if all rear end parts from a usdm alltrac would work or not?

Im not sure I have to do alittle more research. But if I do decide on keeping my car and I could do some more work on it before winter hits... head work plus I wanted to do a turbo upgrade with an awd swap I could put down some pretty good track #s as well as having a unique car....

Theres no real writeup on it. I have the first part of the car figured out heh.. almost like I have 33% of it figured out and that tranny was A pain to get on the car!!! If someone had a writeup like celimans dad had one I would prolly be more daring. But Im not sure if I would want to go through the headache of doing it.