well guys... that just about does it for me... there i was at the spot last saturday and watching people line up and take off is fun and everything, so i decide to join in on the fun, against another 6gc (lo and behold!) the guy that owns it says it was sold to him by his cousin ( a guy on here by the name of psycho or psyko something) i know the guy, and i start telling him about 6gc and everything...

god...2 much typing...MAKE A LONG STORY SHORT:

line up with the car
1 get spanked.....TWICE....REALLY BAD!!!
2 get strange looks and laughed at...=humiliation
3 wonder why in the hell i got beat so bad
4 go talk to the guy that drove and find out he's been drinking and eating shooms!
5 wonder why in the hell the owner let him drive his celica like that (owner is a pal of mine)
6 look under the hood and find out its A GOD #%#%#%^# ST as well!! but a stick shift
7 ride home considered SERIOUSLY selling my car.

im still depressed and its wednesday...dont want to show my face at the saturday nite meets again...


someone please slap me.... or explain to me what happend...please:(

This post has been edited by easternpiro1: Jul 5, 2006 - 11:29 AM

i feel you...im puttin the car up for sell in a week
the car looks sexy, but its just too slow

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oh dear...i was hoping people wouldnt encourage me...

manual tranny swap brother....oh and turbo
its cheaper then a honda

This post has been edited by playr158: Jul 5, 2006 - 11:37 AM

The ST204 was only intended to be a reliable, sporty looking car.

this is the perfect time for you to start saving money and do complete swap ( manual tranny and bigger engine ) then go back and take those guys to a race track ( for safety ). then you can look at then with the funny face.

don't give up on your car just like that unless you wanna be just one more in the croud.

This post has been edited by Culpable04: Jul 5, 2006 - 11:43 AM

Auto eats away your already few horses you have. Unlike the supra dragging with a auto Celica (no matter what engine type or mods) is pointless.

I don't agree that it's cheaper than a Honda.

I dunno. I'm discouraged with my car as well. I'm falling out of these styles of cars. With Jeff's car being so heavily worshipped around here, and his last timeslip was a 14.1 i'm sort of discouraged. Even the 13.9 in his profile is kind of iffy to me. So much work for high 13's. I don't know if it was ran with or w/o slicks, but whatever.

If it makes any difference, a buddy and I are looking into getting a fox body and building it's motor. He has the knowledge and I can use the experience.

this is how i see it..

i can spend my money on a fast car that doesn't have the curves and aesthetic apeal that i desire, but has the power i want. If i did this i would end up spending money trying to make it look how i want it.


Instead i bought a celi, the car i love the looks of; and am now making it fast (2nd gen 3sgte)

so in the end i have the looks i want and the power i love

you can almost always make the car faster and better under the hood, but its not the easiest thing to change the whole outside appearance of a car.

point being:

buy the car you like the looks of exterior and interior, and then do what is needed to make it fast

thats my view atleast..

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you also have to note jeff is not that modified from a stock RC185 3sgte motor...he has an EBC and ats fuel rail....(motor wise) but he's still running on a stock turbo......so i wouldn't say "so much work"(no way am i nocking jeff's car i love it)
really i think swaps in general put you around the low 14 second mark with good practice...nobody here (besides Jgreen) has an aftermarket turbo setup on a 3sgte..and even then we don't know how fast it is in the 1/4 mile...so i wouldn't get discouraged...but i will agree on the fact our cars do take a little more work and love then your main stream tuner mobile...

This post has been edited by playr158: Jul 5, 2006 - 11:51 AM

just swap in a 3s

Easternpiro1, don't let people discourage you. No matter what, theres ALWAYS somebody faster so its all about enjoying what you have.

You just need to come to a NE meet and get some rides in the turbo and swapped Celicas, you'll never go back. Look at OOBE, he's got an automatic ST and he boosted the living hell out of it with pretty consistant sucess.....you could have the same. With all the time and money you've put into your car its counterproductive to sell now, I considered selling once and I'll never even think about it again.


I've now ridden in and driven turbo Celica and theres no looking back. It will be mine. I suggest you do the same.

Yes our cars our slow.. especially the ST.. I rarely call it a celica.. its my 2door Corolla. Hehe But I still love it. I know its harded to make our cars faster than a honda.. but thats why I love Toyota.. Im still thinking of what to do with my "go fast" needs.. 7AGE, 20V Silvertop, 3SG(T)E.. and If we get more info into it.. 1MZF(Z)E. now my brother is encouraging me to go 2AZFE hehe

silver youre right, i need to hop in a turbo celica and get re-focused...but i still dont undersand what happend to get beaten that bad by another st. i remember being on the highway with plyr (when he had the suprica st) one nite and he got on it and i was about to pass him (he thought he beat me) but the cops show up. something wrong with my car? i know i have a header leak. it smokes when i apply the seafoam.

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just so you know, jeffs car is EASILY capable of running mid 13s, once he perfects his launches, and gets some good tires on there.
and thats at low to moderate boost ~12-15psi, on the stock CT-26.
on a motor thats nearly 15 yrs old.

sucks living in cali...turboing = out of the question for me

hey, I'm a little discouraged too.. we got some long straight roads just past my town that don't have speed limits. so I tried to take it to 100 mph.... well, at the end of this particular road is a sharp 15 mph turn. so, I'm going, trying to get to 100... I got to about 85 before I decided I needed to start slowing down for the turn.. it took me quite a while to get to that speed too (I'd say about 20 seconds) it was so pathetic. Now I want to swap or turbo, but can't afford it

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yeah, same with the swap too.

This post has been edited by 6strngs: Jul 5, 2006 - 12:43 PM

Hey man, i feel you. I wanted to sell my car too, i have actually put it up for sale atleast 2 times that i can think of. But i have been saving up for a swap and i am about 1 paycheck away (this friday) from buying it. Stick in there, it will all be worth the wait. When its all said and done you will have a BAD ASS LOOKING CAR and the speed that SHOULD go with it.

im positive i can get into the 13's bracket with the 13s at 15psi.
just do the swap. then a few bolts ons and your faster than a majority of the cars on the road. and it doesnt have to stop there with the 3s. a couple thousand later and you could even hit 12's. ive driven in Fwd cars with 330whp that ran a 12 flat. just mod that baby up! and dont tell anyone about the swap around your town. n
ext time you race say this time its for money and smoke em.

i agree with jcbass7.

before i bought my celica i was on this site for about 8months... and during those 8months i learned a lot about this car... it was also just during the time when pressure2 was building his 5sfte setup.

i loved the look of the 6gc... but was wondering if i would be happy with it's performance... i knew it would be slow... i could've got a 99 integra gsr for the same price w/ like 30k less miles... but after seeing pressure2's build.. i made up my mind on the 6gc.

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yeah unfortunately for other people like honda owners can buy a shell or even a carfor about $2,500-$4,500
the spend another 3 grand and will be hitting 12's in a quarter mile people arent really thinking about b series no more its the era of the k and well a stock k24 (tsx engine) in a eg bubble runs 12's and would be cheaper if not the same as uying a celica and doing the 3s swap. If you wana see it in action go to my myspace i got a video of a stock k24 running the 1/4 mile. Even though the 3s is a great engine and well you gotta love turbo i wanna consider other powerplants maybe the v6 that comes in th camry but yeah around here its gonna start being alittle more competetive with the new honda engine. But you should definately do the swap, i find it that that most people dont know what my car is other than its a toyota because i have a toyota symbol so heres a elemnt of surprise there especially if you do the swap

You know how many Hondas I've seen hit 12's, thousands. You know how many Celicas I have seen hit low 14's, only 3.

Hondas are nice. but, the bandwagon is not for me.

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how long did it take you to save up? im going to start saving soon....got alot of bills

Aren't K-series swaps still ridiculously expensive? Last time I was reading up on them on Honda-Tech project threads they costed way more than a 3S-GTE swap. And EG Civics aren't exactly cheap either...everyone wants one.

Anyway, don't get too discouraged with your car...if you want it to be faster you can always turbo or swap. Even with just a 160-hp 4A-GE in my car it's a blast to drive. I don't race and the motor isn't a good choice for straight line drag racing, but the car is a dream to drive.

If you want speed, get a domestic or a swapped import.

My buddy spend 11k on his 99 z28 camaro, exhaust + headers & some other minor mods, and he's blowing doors off of anything imported around here.

Honestly, import speed is expensive if you want serious numbers or to be able to pull 13's or lower. Unless you get some gutted civic hatchback with a swap, be prepared to spend money or be generally 'slow' in terms of track times.

I've stuck it out long enough with my auto ST, the slowest of the slow. I don't believe a GT would make that much of a difference, the 6gc is a great car but without some serious cash being spent on it, it will always be slow. Advancing timing, intake, exhaust, weight reduction, all of this stuff is completely irrelevant when you're working off of an economical motor to begin with. The platform just sucks, I'm not dissing Toyota, I'm just dissing what they decided to put in their 'sports' cars in the late 90's.

The newer Celica's are no different, while the GT-S has 180hp, it lacks any amount of torque to take seriously. I've seen guys on newcelica.org spend thousands of dollars on super/turbo charging just to break in to the high 13's, it's almost not worth it at that point, unless you really love your car.

This post has been edited by sinner96ST: Jul 5, 2006 - 1:54 PM

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id hate to tell you this... but your car is an automatic ST, thats why its so slow. buying a honda wont be much of an upgrade.

if you want to smoke everyone on a shoe string budget, then buy youself an awd DSM and a nice craftsman toolset to go along with it.

lol lagos u sure know how to make me laugh....DSM...i might as well get a neon.... i know its an auto but jeezus!! he beat me by like 3 cars! and it wasnt even an eighth of a mile!!!

This post has been edited by easternpiro1: Jul 5, 2006 - 1:54 PM

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a DSM is the only car that will get you the most power for the money. i would rather roll around in one of those then a honda.

I agree with lagos, if I were to do it over again, i'd attempt to go the DSM route, 6 bolt swap, and pray to god nothing horrible happened.

Of course, more often than not, you hear horror stories about kids blowing up motors & such, but they're kids, that's what kids do.

when i got in my accident a while ago the guy that fixed my car offered to trade me str8 up with a eagle talon.... and i said hell no...(then again i was a dumbass back then in 2000)