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Man, where the hell has this guy been the whole time? He should be required to reply to every post in this forum.
QUOTE(lumbercis @ Jul 14, 2006 - 7:04 PM) [snapback]456272[/snapback]
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Okay, time to cut the bull****.
1. You are complaining that your STOCK AUTO 110hp ST is slow, so you want to upgrade to a 106hp Honda Civic? Please explain how that makes sense.
2. Hondas are not a more capable platform than Celicas. Let me say that again, HONDAS ARE NOT A MORE CAPABLE PLATFORM THAN CELICAS! The fast Hondas you see are all engine swapped except for a few higher-end models. I hate when everyone complains that their stock engined celica is slow, by comparing it to an engine swapped Honda. Stock Civics are slow as dog ****! Most modded civics have AT LEAST a B16 swap if the owner can afford it at all. We have the option of 4age, 3sge (slightly more powerful than a GSR engine), Beams 3sge (slightly better than a Type R Engine) or the holy 3sgte, which you can add about 50-70hp to with an intake exhaust and boost controller. Hondas have NO stock turbo engine swaps available, so quit complaining.
3. Which brings me to another point. Most fast hondas arent even putting out that much horsepower. Mostly they do what they do through weight. Why do you think the CRX is the most popular platform for serious drag racers? Cause it's a go-kart with body panels.
4. Yes, making a toyota fast might tend to be more expensive than making a honda fast, but that has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PLATFORM! It has to do with the fact that there are tens of thousands of kids out there spending millions of dollars on their hondas. Of course there will be more fast hondas. If we counted up every celica tuner out there, we probably wouldn't equal the amount of Honda tuners in one major city. So of course there will be some fast hondas out there. But that is a function of having a large community, not a superior platform.
5. I hate to state the GLARINGLY OBVIOUS, but the "celicas are slow" crap has got to end. "Celicas" are not slow. AMERICAN celicas are slow because we only got economy engines in the U.S. The next person that says, "Celicas were only meant to be sporty looking and economical" needs to get THWAPPED with a wet herring. The full celica line doesn't just consist of the U.S. models, it includes the SSII, SSIII, and GT-4. Go ahead and complain that we didn't get them, but lose the "celicas are slow" crap. Quick! Someone go tell Tufy to sell his GT-4 and get a HONDA so he can have a fast car!
6. If your car is slow, it's because you haven't made it fast. It doesn't even have to be that expensive. I think more people should consider NA swaps first rather than jumping straight to the 3sgte. A 4age or 3sge swap will be simpler, cost less, and with a little strategic weight reduction, will allow you to roast more than a few civics at the local meets, if thats what you are after.
7. Ack! Rant overload! In short, love your celica! if you don't think it has potential, you arent looking at the big picture.
J.
Okay, time to cut the bull****.
1. You are complaining that your STOCK AUTO 110hp ST is slow, so you want to upgrade to a 106hp Honda Civic? Please explain how that makes sense.
2. Hondas are not a more capable platform than Celicas. Let me say that again, HONDAS ARE NOT A MORE CAPABLE PLATFORM THAN CELICAS! The fast Hondas you see are all engine swapped except for a few higher-end models. I hate when everyone complains that their stock engined celica is slow, by comparing it to an engine swapped Honda. Stock Civics are slow as dog ****! Most modded civics have AT LEAST a B16 swap if the owner can afford it at all. We have the option of 4age, 3sge (slightly more powerful than a GSR engine), Beams 3sge (slightly better than a Type R Engine) or the holy 3sgte, which you can add about 50-70hp to with an intake exhaust and boost controller. Hondas have NO stock turbo engine swaps available, so quit complaining.
3. Which brings me to another point. Most fast hondas arent even putting out that much horsepower. Mostly they do what they do through weight. Why do you think the CRX is the most popular platform for serious drag racers? Cause it's a go-kart with body panels.
4. Yes, making a toyota fast might tend to be more expensive than making a honda fast, but that has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PLATFORM! It has to do with the fact that there are tens of thousands of kids out there spending millions of dollars on their hondas. Of course there will be more fast hondas. If we counted up every celica tuner out there, we probably wouldn't equal the amount of Honda tuners in one major city. So of course there will be some fast hondas out there. But that is a function of having a large community, not a superior platform.
5. I hate to state the GLARINGLY OBVIOUS, but the "celicas are slow" crap has got to end. "Celicas" are not slow. AMERICAN celicas are slow because we only got economy engines in the U.S. The next person that says, "Celicas were only meant to be sporty looking and economical" needs to get THWAPPED with a wet herring. The full celica line doesn't just consist of the U.S. models, it includes the SSII, SSIII, and GT-4. Go ahead and complain that we didn't get them, but lose the "celicas are slow" crap. Quick! Someone go tell Tufy to sell his GT-4 and get a HONDA so he can have a fast car!
6. If your car is slow, it's because you haven't made it fast. It doesn't even have to be that expensive. I think more people should consider NA swaps first rather than jumping straight to the 3sgte. A 4age or 3sge swap will be simpler, cost less, and with a little strategic weight reduction, will allow you to roast more than a few civics at the local meets, if thats what you are after.
7. Ack! Rant overload! In short, love your celica! if you don't think it has potential, you arent looking at the big picture.
J.
Man, where the hell has this guy been the whole time? He should be required to reply to every post in this forum.
