Supposedly, only christians (not just the title christian, but anyone who does or will eventually believe in a "God") are the ones who get to see these things. They are also the only people how can be possessed by demons as well. One "ghost" experience I had that another was lucky enough to see was when I was in the 6th grade.


We had just moved in this house across the street from my great grandma, along with other family members who lived on this street the same time. The history behind this house that I had (to be fair with any prior knowledge or stories was this) was a time 1 year before we moved there. My cousin Carmen (it was a boy) was outside of this out in the driveway with me and a friend of the neighborhood, as he lived with my great grandma across the street. The house was in an untidy condition, as the lawn was unkept, and gave a dismal feel to it. We were all laughing and talking and when things got quite, he said that house was haunted. I laughed at him and said "Yeah right foo, you only say that because of the condition it is in", and we left it at that. My mom was having trouble with my brother's dad and we left him. To keep me with friends we moved to a house nearby the school district (little did I know, they were building a new school in this area) and we ended up buying that house which was fixed up and ready to sell. With all that was going on, I never thought about a year before the condition it was in or what my cousin had told me. The 2nd day of moving all things in with my family there, my brother's dad busted into the house and stole my little brother. The family so scared did nothing and eventually later that evening he returned my little brother to home and left. The 3rd day, I was in my room drawing when I heard the doorbell ring. I went to answer the door to find 3 of my little cousins there and my cousin Roxanne who is the same age as me (which was about the age of 11 at this time). They asked if I would like to come outside and hang out, and I said "Sure, I just need to put somethings away real fast". I close the door almost all the way on them, but leave it cracked.

Now the way the house layout is from the front door, you have another set of doors to your immediate right. That was like a den area which had another set of doors that led to the hallway. There is also a window in this room. From the front door straight is where we had a piano and to the right of that wall is the hallway that leads around the den area. This hallway without the light and windows drawn is always somewhat dark. Then following the hallway down to the left is the bathroom door, further down and to the left again is my mom's bedroom. Straight ahead from the hallway is my little brother's room, and the hallway turns right and to the left is my room, following down all the way is the garage door. The den, we usually kept those doors open.

As I went to my room to put my things away, I walk from the hallway and cut through the den to the front door. As I made my way halfway through the den, I noticed I heard my feet dragging on the floor. I remember my mom telling me not to walk like that because that is how lazy people walk and so I stopped, but I heard the dragging of the feet continue. I look to my right which is where I heard it, and in the hallway I see a shadow of a short man walking down the hallway. I almost freaked out but remembered that my cousins were outside. Perhaps someone was shuffling their feet against the concrete and their reflection from outside was shinning through the closed blinds, and the little light that projected through them. Then I thought maybe one of them were in the house and trying to scared me. I get a snicker on my face as I open the front door, but the look on my face when I seen they were all there put them in worry. They quickly asked me what was wrong. I couldn't say anything out of fear, and I grabbed my cousin Roxanne and put her back to the beginning of the hallway. I am not sure what possessed me to do this, but I remember telling her "Just watch, just watch". She was looking around with a scared look on her face, and from what little shadow that outlined her body that was cast on the wall, another shadow walked out of hers and you can hear the feet dragging again as it begin back down the hallway. We both bolted out of the house to tell the rest of the family what happened.

How I felt comfortable enough to sleep after that was a mystery to me. I do recall having a dream of my great grandfather whom I never got to meet, as he passed away before I was born. After that dream, I felt more at ease living there, not sure if I believed that spirit was of him or not. Even though I got into witchcraft at an early age (5th grade), things did happen that required me to sleep with a night light til the age of 12. Laugh all you want at that, but the night of my 13th birthday and up until my 25th birthday, I began to experience sleep paralysis. You can look that up if you like, my symptoms were the sightings of demons. If you research this, you will find there are only two ways to experience sleep paralysis. One is an out of body experience, in which my dreams that took place happened in my location at that exact time of sleep. Two, is the sightings of demons, in which when I woke up from these dreams, I could not move, but felt the presence of fear within the room, along with 1-5 shadowy figures that either stood above me or walked around my room. They say the average human being may experience this 1-2 times in their life. I have experienced this over 12. The more I go to church and read the bible, the worse and more common these experiences come. I do believe in God now, but I do not go to church or read the bible because I am not willing to deal with these things in my life right now. But when I do, they come back again. Uusually when I go to church, there is a week period of bad things until the following Sunday where I decide if I am to return or not. Although when I did give my life to Christ again 2 years ago on an Easter Sunday, not so much has happened when I did go to church. Just that last episode of Sleep Paralysis on my 25th Birthday, which was my worst experience. There are more things that have happened to me, but I would rather keep that personal unless I feel comfortable to share with anyone who cares to hear it.

I have written enough as it is, and even now question if I should post this or not. Although I will go ahead and post it. Sorry, I type what I speak out in my mind or say aloud.





Just out of curiosity, how many people do you know have had a dream within the the present, to the past 5 years who has dreamed of a "Blood Moon"? What I mean by this is an object in the sky that is large, like the size of the moon, that appears to be on fire, or has this strange red aura around it and is followed by fiery rocks hailing from the sky?

From a religious stand point, this was 1 of 3 Revelations I had come to me in a dream. My cousin doesn't believe in God, nor does his mom, but she too had a dream similar to mine about this "Blood Moon". My cousin mentioned something about a planet or large star that was in a photo taken of the sun or around the sun, and this red ball in the photo was supposedly what might doom the earth in the future (possibly if prophecy is true 2012) with falling rocks. Again, even if this is true, it is not the end of the world, but there will be a major disaster "supposedly". I mentioned this to another person and they got freaked out. They said (another non-believer in God) that they heard supposedly near the end of times (For this person, rumored, as again, they do not believe) people will dream about these fiery rocks falling from the sky or something like that.


I dunno what to make of that but then again, I do not burden myself with what is not at hand. Anyways, just curious.

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So what's this? It isn't possible? (This isn't a ghost, but it is of supernatural nature and these things are very possible) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSLBtm__aKw


The reason why I decided to show this was because something similar to this happened with me and my ex, with two objects passing through one another without harm or any alteration to the other. It was during a fight her and I had, and we realized what had happened after we made up. Things like this happen to people more than they realize, but because it didn't have lights, a big booming voice, or was recorded, they easily forget.

I dunno if you ever experienced a miracle, but I have. Like many things in life, those who are grateful enough never forget, while those who take for granted will easily grow bored with such things. They make excuses for it and claim it was coincidence, when most people who are older come to believe that all things happen for a reason. Regardless of what you believe in.


Oh! Another one for you. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE_C1FXRo20&NR=1


I suppose people do believe what they want to believe, but if you ask for proof and get this, then you decide if you accept it or not. Unfortunately you will never know until it happens to you.

This post has been edited by Random_Stranger: Jun 13, 2008 - 1:15 AM

Please stop passing off YOUTUBE videos as "proof" it's embarrassing for the human race.

Actually, I believe science can explain some of the paranormal phenomenons that occur (like ghosts and poltergeists).

Certain areas of the earth have very strong magnetic fields. Human beings carry a certain amount of electrical charge (that is connected to our nervous system). Apparently when traumatic events occur in these special areas, an imprint of that magnetic image is left. I think the documentary explained it something in kin of how a small metal needle can become polarized when held close to a strong magnet. So in a similar fashion, the magnetic field captures the "essence" of a person, which for unexplained reasons, manifest themselves as "ghosts". These image captures occur more often during traumatic events because of the amount of electrical activity that occurs (in people) during violent/stressful events.

Sorry, I saw this on the discovery channel a few years back and don't remember what the show was called. But a quick search on google might reveal some more info on this theory (yes, it's just a theory so read it with an open mind).

As for myself, I do believe in ghosts because I myself have experience some unexplainable occurrences (one of which still spooks me today when I think about it).

EDIT* I might as well share my "experience". Once, in my old house, when I was probably 8 or 9, I slept in my living room on a couch (don't ask why). The room had two lamps, one of which was position at the end of the couch that I was sleeping on (by my feet). The other lamp was across the room. I was sleeping with the blanket partially pulled over my head when all of the sudden I was blinded by a light. I opened my eyes and stared straight out from underneath the blanket and saw no one. The lamp that was by my feet was apparently turned on (I could see the other lamp was not lit). I didn't dare peek from under my blanket, but I kept staring out from underneath the blanket towards the center of the room, hoping to see whatever it was that turned on the lamp that was at the end of the couch (by my feet). I was just a kid, no freaking way was I going to get out from underneath that blanket! After about what seemed like 30 minutes, the lamp simply turned off! I was terrified! No noise, no motion I could detect at all. It just turned off with a click. I couldn't hear anyone there, no breathing, no noise whatsoever. I stayed up for the rest of the night until enough sunlight entered through the windows for me to "safely" peek from underneath my blanket. There was nobody else in the room besides me....

I still can't explain what happened that night. Then there was another "incident" that totally freaks girls out whenever I tell them about it...

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Well if you look, they were made for YOUTUBE, they were on the news and court tv which should have some credibility for non-fiction tv, correct?

I love the jump from "I don't know what this is" to "it must be supernatural."

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I find it amazing that people can do this.


Ghost = Don't believe
Scientific explanation (Theory just as belief) = When the world is facing the sun at exactly 38 degrees from when it normally does, when the weather is about between 80 degrees to 90 degrees and the human has had a cold within the last 2 weeks and had plenty of protein in the diet, they are then able to see what appears to be images because of the right mixture of magnets and light flowing around the body. It would also be that they have enough iron in their blood, and the right amount of vitamin C in their diet, which allows for this to also happen and blah blah blah.....


Nobody takes things for what they are anymore when all things...... Religious or Scientific are all theories. Science does give an explanation of events that take place but with no reason for the cause. You kind of have to take both things into consideration if you want purpose within these events. Or be like an animal who doesn't give any thought to such, and just grazes off the land with only concerns of food, shelter, and breeding.

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I am only leaving room for debate. You are the one who is stuck in one spot. That's all. I think I did list with "People will believe what they want to believe". I was only defending against what you said regarding Youtube.

If you want to get technical, Supernatural is extraordinary, correct? So if I am not sure what it is in a sense of what is ordinary, supernatural seems fitting, no?

This post has been edited by Random_Stranger: Jun 13, 2008 - 1:53 AM

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I don't doubt it based on how it's going so far. Common guys, he just asked what all of you're opinions were on the matter. Not to try and prove how one or the other belief is wrong. Let's try something new and try to keep the thread open for a while.

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If by one spot you mean until I see tangible evidence that any of these things exist, then yes. No Youtube video or TV show is going to change that. They are on TV to get ratings, you want to believe everything you see on TV you go right ahead. But in the real world here, ghosts, goblins, demons and whatever hootinanny you want to talk about, needs real world evidence.

Supernatural means exactly how it sounds. SUPER NATURAL. Beyond nature, beyond the explanation of the natural world. Because you can't explain something doesn't mean it's beyond natural or beyond explanation. You simply don't know yet.

Nobody takes it for what it is anymore? You mean people don't see things and automatically jump to fantastic conclusions because after all our time on the planet we finally can explain things using our brains and technology? Religious or scientific they are all theories? Here's a big big difference. Stay with me. SCIENCE IS BASED ON OBSERVATIONS. RELIGION DOES NOT. I'm dumbfounded at the fact that you put religious theories in a basket with scientific theories.

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No reason for the cause? Wouldn't that be an important part of the explanation? Wouldn't that be the most important thing that people want to know, is why did this happen? The whole point of being scientific - is NOT staying in one spot. It's always changing what you believe to be true based on what is. Based on my observations, science isn't something your very familiar with.

If by chance ghosts exist, and I became one, which I hope I would. I would do everything in my power to make people believe without a doubt. Such as forming in front of a large group of people and casually explained that I am in fact a ghost and ghosts do exist and look at all the creepy stuff I can do isn't it cool. But no you never get that you get a glimpse of something or a shadow or a cold chill or orbs of energy. Or how about bigfoot. With nearly every part of the world having this legend you'd think that maybe just maybe someone in the course of human history would stumble over some bones or a dead bigfoot because they aren't immortal. Do we have that, no. Or lets believe that the LochNess monster is in actuality a dinosaur that some how survived and has lived for hundreds of years even though the actual Loch cannot support an organism of that size.

Think critically. Stop watching TV and going on to the internet to creepyabandonedhouses.com and purchasing Oija boards that finally allow spirits to participate in board games.

EDIT: It doesn't have to be a basket. You can choose a carrying apparatus of your desire.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Jun 13, 2008 - 8:49 AM

i think im pretty much in agreement with havok, i dont beleive in god but i do think what goes around will eventualy come around, ive seen it happen to people who i knew used to be arseholes and think they where the buisness and now they are pretty much just total losers that nobody cares for.

as for ghostly things, ive only experienced one thing, i had my car parked outside my friends house in the coutryside area over the road on the edge of a massive field, i looked down and put my keys in the door(my run around non remote pug205) and looked across the field, i then for the life of me am certain i saw a man or figure stood at the front of my car out the corner of my eye.
2 seconds later it hit me that i thought someone was next to me and i looked to the front of the car and nothing was there, so i dont know if i was just tierd or what but like said before, im a very rational person and think there must be a reason for everything therefor i presume it was just a figment of my imagination due to being tired but it quite freaky eitherway..

other than that, nothing special has ever appeared to or happend to me. boring. lol

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Ghosts cannot think like that. Normally ghost dont even know they are what they are. most ghost are like a home video. they just keep replaying the same event over and over. but then there are ghost who understand what they are but are trapped in this other world. so they try to show themselves, and try to talk thru the EVP but they cant always do that, they need an enormous amount of energy to show themselves like that. Thats why you see glimpses of ghost, they manifest the energy but dont manifest enough so you will see some of them but then it vanishes. Think of it as lifting, you have only so much energy. so you do pull ups and you do about 10 then u start slowing down and can only do 13 until u drop. for a ghost they would be appearing in those 10 pull ups pretty clear, and then fade away by the 13th one. humans have energy, ghosts have none at all, thats why they pull in energy from around them.

Bigfoot is beleived to bury their dead like us humans. i was always a sceptic of bigfoot, until i saw him in 7th grade. and still hear him wooping and yelling to this day.

This post has been edited by SeverX13: Jun 13, 2008 - 9:50 AM

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I remember reading this from one of the Science Mag...

Sometimes when you're asleep you unconciously move ur body parts ie. you sleep with ur hand under your chest. If this hand doesnt receive enough blood supply over an amount of time, it will die and theres noway you can save it. You dont actually ackowledge this but the brain does, it tries to wake you up by letting you see scary images like you are sorrounded by ghosts and unable to move. Do you notice that when you finally wake up one of ur body parts feels numb?

Super, I have to totally disagree with your logic of needing tangible evidence in order to believe in something. There are many unexplainable events in this world that cannot be explain by science or by religion. At one point in time, people have no idea what gravity and magnetism were. Can you imagine what you would have sounded like to someone in the dark ages what these concepts meant? They'd think you were crazy. Also, shamans and healers back in the turn of the last millennium were believed to have special magical powers. Using special "potions" and secret formulas, chants, and prayers, they were often able to "cure" people of their ailments.

Smoking was once thought to be a healthy practice (yes, really). Global warming was once dismissed by many SCIENTISTS a few decades ago. Now everyone is on board that it is a very real problem. We take a lot of things for granted because of dozens, hundreds, or even thousands of years of knowledge accumulated by other pioneers who were mocked and ridiculed for their radical thinking. Now we under stand what gravity is. We know know what magnetism is. Modern medicine now accepts what those shamans and healers did to be sound medical practice. Smoking is universally seen as a health risk. And thanks to our former vice president's efforts, the word on global warming has finally been heeded by the public. All of the things I mentioned were things that could not be explained with tangible evidence. It had to be observed, then measured, quantified, and analyzed.

My point is: there are seemingly unexplainable forces and occurrences that happen throughout the world. Saying that you can't believe in them until you see them is a rather simple way of thinking (no offense!). It's like a person saying he doesn't believe in the power of placebos, science CANNOT explain why placebos work, and ALL scientific evidence would OBVIOUSLY point to placebos having ZERO effects (just the very definition of the word would suggest that they should not work), yet they can be PROVEN to have real effects.

I can an open mind to every idea out there as long as there some sort of scientific basis for it. Like I said before, ghosts and paranormal phenomenon all have scientific theories and explanations on why they can exist. So who knows...perhaps in a few years or a few decades, science will catch up and offer a better theory on why things like ghosts seem to exist.

Lastly, have you seen the picture of the one-horned deer? Obviously it isn't a unicorn (it's not a horse). But I'd bet 99% of people out there though unicorns were 100% made up creatures. Yet now there is a very, very real animal that looks just like that mythical creature. Perhaps these anomalies are the origins of those supposedly "made-up" animals? So, again. Things that may seem far-fetched and impossible...one way or another, science (and a little bit of luck) offers us a possible explanation for why it is indeed possible.

Right, thread cleaned. The OP intends this as a serious thread so respect that. Obviously you don't have to agree with it all, just keep debate sensible.

great. 4 days, no posts. Worth the drama guys?

Didn't know you opened it up again.

Yeah, a bunch of people were crying about it so i cleaned it and re-opened. Guess some people just like drama.

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Religion explains nothing, should not be used to explain anything, ever. Science is something that is always changing, always evolving, thats the beauty of it. You don't know something now...you'll know it later. Everything doesn't need to be explained here and now.

I'm still trying to understand your point. You disagree about tangible evidence, but then talk about how global warming isn't tangible evident nor is gravity. Your taking things to literally. When I mean tangible evidence this includes data that can be collected and observed.

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where the heck did religion come in?

This post has been edited by D-Man: Jun 17, 2008 - 4:07 PM

Religion is all astrological.

Well, I am going to submit in this discussion. People will believe what they want to. I just know of what is based from my own personal experiences that I only share. Of course I would not except anyone to believe me, as they would think I am maybe crazy. But I have been diagnosed with Bi-Polar, yet I have been fully checked out and there is nothing else wrong with me in my head. I do experience things and see things a scitso would have, but I am normal as the doctors say.

If you all believe we are pretty much flesh machines who just die and have no souls, then there is nothing more I can say. If you look this up though, I am curious to hear what your thoughts are. But when a person dies, all weight can be accounted for, from the waste the body puts out to everything else. Yet they cannot understand why a person loses (generally, I haven't the exact amount) an 1oz (or maybe it was in grams?) that is unaccounted for. Some people believe that is how much the soul weighs, and assume that it leaves the body.

I just find it strange that this is the only planet as we know so far, that is like ours which harbors such life. How these large rocks of mass just orbit around keeping all things balanced and in check. How just about all habitats harbor life. Indeed, this planet is mysterious.




This post has been edited by Random_Stranger: Jun 17, 2008 - 4:50 PM

You find it strange that this is the only planet as we know so far that is like ours and has life. How is that strange? There are billions of planets and they are all millions and billions of light years away. Millions and billions of years at the speed of light.

Just think about that for a second.

So you think, that because we haven't found any other life in our extremely short time in space, you have concluded that there are souls, gods, goblins and ghosts.

Its nice to have something to believe in...if you don't believe in anything your left with nothing...not saying its ghost ufos or big foot....but im sure we all have something.


I just gotta say I Love Ghost Whisperer the show bc Jennifer Love Hewitt is amazing!! (speaking of ghost)

I know a lot of people that had heard wierd stuff in the woods. I grew up about 20 miles from an area
called tiger canyon and a couple people claimed to have seen bigfoot. I also have a very close friend,
which I respect and trust, who also claims to have seen him, I remain sceptical. What my friend described
was a large beast standing upright, (not a bear, he has hunted and killed bear and knows what a bear looks like)
dragging some sort of carcass through a barbed wire fence, it simply vanished. He was with 2 people in a pickup
with three hunting rifles on board and he told me he was actually too terified to move. I hunted for about 20 years of my life
and never saw a cougar until about the 18th year yet there are hundreds in the areas I hunted.

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That sounds like a personal opinion. so people can use it to debate things. They just shouldnt try to debate the points w/ you because evidently you dont believe in it.

I dont believe in ghost, bigfoot, and a lot of stuff talked about in here. But I do know that God exist.

There is no doubt there is life elsewhere in the universe. With all the hubble telescope pictures of outside the milkyway galaxy (Our galaxy) of the hundreds of other galaxys, there is definatly some planet that has the same conditions as the earth. Im not saying there are weird looking creatures although it is possible but im saying there are other humans like us. I also remember reading about how scientist now beleive that there could possibly be more than 1 universe

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Thats a good point. But there are a lot of people that also could claim to see them all the time. Sometimes it just depends on the part of the area your in and where they my stay more often. I just think more people would have seen it. That someone would find the courage to track it, or follow it without being scared of it. I know if might be hard but it always seems to me that when people sya they saw him they where so scared that they froze, or just watch him walk away and disappear. If i saw bigfoot i would try to follow him and see where he goes, or at least see how long i could follow him. I wouldnt just stair in awww or fear. my curiosity would get the better of me for sure.

My guess is if it exists it is smarter than we are.

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I would think people just stand there too much in shock and in fear to move because of the fact that the bigfoot monster could do something back if it ever noticed. Think of it this way, if you saw a tiger but it hadn't seen you yet, would you try to go after it JUST BECAUSE it was the first time you've ever seen a tiger?

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You THINK God exists...there's nothing in this world which would suggest otherwise. People can debate all they want with me, unless they come armed to the teeth with a logical argument or evidence to counter my evidence, then it's really pointless to try. People want to debate with me things that they have no reason for believing and have nothing to back up their claims and yet, still continue to believe. IMO this is foolish.

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I doubt they'd be human - we're a result of random mutations best characteristics. Intelligent possibly, look like us? Doubtful, but not impossible.

This post has been edited by Supersprynt: Jun 18, 2008 - 8:09 AM