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Hello!

Where to buy the piston connecting rods and camshafts.
The compression piston 13. Camshafts duration-257 lift-13 Intake Cam is VVT-I enabled. Forged Rods 8mm longer than Standard Rods Rod Ratio - 1.7.

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notice #1 port is slightly wider than the rest to accomodate for the sharp angle at which it comes out of the head and starts heading diagonally towards the alternator before making a sharp exit outwards. this "design flaw" is common to the gen3 3sgte aswell, which other motors are like this too???

how the helk would you port down the inside of the exhaust header. I tried doing it with a small handheld dremmel tool and one took exhaust port(whatever you call it) took about 30 min to grind down 2mm all around.

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Someone needs to provide you with AIR TOOLS.

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Did you mark out the ports or just grind 2mm all the way around? Did you do a slight step down on the bottom as mentioned previously in this thread?
also +1 on good tools, makes it so much easier.

Where on the web did you find that article also? As it would be interesting to see others findings. Just as long as its not the weird Europe way of dyno figures

I still think that's a bit of a gimmick item. As the intake runners are longer in low rpm's (open) & short in high rpm's (closed)

this is pic above is one member from beams forum. he said 8bhp which i believe is bolognee but he said he modified the b-pipe section and had an air intake. we all know air intakes are a no no with beams motor that is unless its bigger than 72mm inner diameter? hmm i want to see if it works better with larger air intake piping...

anyway that article is from vincent doggy's thread. i google searched the intake and got nothing.

a local member mi645 has one on his swap perhaps he can do a before and after dyno with and without it on.

Port matching explained... :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DHxpBxP3CY

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Nov 25, 2017 - 7:12 PM

deck spacer? and i have the imec ecu i was gonna try to tune it but i couldnt get the software

i was taking a look on Fujitsubo japan website for the Header power gains for the Celica/MR2 3rd gen 3sge and it was a 5.1ps increase while the Integra Type R DC2 was a 5.9ps increase. So with a 3sge Beams Redtop you can anywhere in that range. Fujitsubo LEGALIS R MAKES 3.9PS as a bolt on system after catalytic converter for the 3rd gen 3sge. Could be a bit more for the 4th gen 3sge I'm sure.

Also the stainless header will increase exhaust noise by 4db and lists that the Super Ex Fujitsubo Header and Bpipe weighs 9.1kg = 20 lbs. I wonder what the stock header and bpipe weighs??

Stock Header and Bpipe on SW20 = 15kg, Fujitsubo Header and Bpipe on SW20 = 11kg(they include a bolt on heat shield for SW20). So a 8.82 pound weight loss.


So a Fujitsubo Legalis R header, de-cat pipe and Fujitsubo legalis R exhaust. you can see a 11-13ps (depending on 3rd or 4th generation 3sge) increase. not bad. A straight through muffler like HKS or Kakimoto might be a bit more but not much.

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Feb 10, 2016 - 2:27 PM

head design, valve size, engine design. just cause a header is built similarly, dont mean it will perform the same on different platforms

Sounds like you're splitting hairs 0.8PS (Pferdestärke) is 0.8HP or 0.588kw. Also 15-11=8.82 just stick to 1 form of measurement


Did you ever get your Celica dyno'd Bonzai to see what your base power is and go from there? So you know roughly what your gains are when you do buy & install some parts for your beams.

When I installed the Tom's ecu I got a print out of the O2 readings from the exhaust. No since we have never had some sort of smog checking, I can't really compare my results to others locally. Would be interesting to compare - if it is comparable, to people in the States

Nope. I don't plan to do any dyno unless it's real cheap. And adding other engine parts isn't realistic. Got other plans. I was just putting the info so people know what to expect. With a full system.

>>>>Mild Steel 3S-GE Beams exhaust manifold flange>>>> (in case you need to fix your oem exhaust manifold) they ship to USA!
https://martelius.com/en/toyota-altezza-3sg...7pV8D7uhdDMTUwZ

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Mar 17, 2025 - 6:31 PM

optimalgearset by Justin Towers, on Flickr

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Dec 3, 2024 - 4:12 PM

>>Link MonsoonX G4X Plug and play ECU with Base Map
>> https://panicmade.com/wiring/p/red-top-beams-pnp-kit

>>Some 3sge beams redtop or greytop (rav4/caldina) have a nipple attached that is capped off from the factory. This can be used to feed the Map sensor thats built into Link ECU >>
MAPnipple by Justin Towers, on Flickr

>>Larger Fuel Injectors (with flowchart data and require 2zz/1zz connector) $380>>.
https://www.fiveomotorsport.com/toyota-550c...jEb_kR2ZgwFNkPG
>>Larger Fuel pump is needed (3rd Gen 3SGTE, 2JZGE and 2UZFE are same) $130>>
https://www.rockauto.com/en/moreinfo.php?pk...256&jsn=980

Recommended by the engine builder to port and polish the exhaust ports of cylinder head
Camshafts dyno tested by Bad Beams FB group. Intake: 280deg CA 11.2mm Exhaust: 280deg CA 11.2mm @ $825 (These profiles were made to be used on compression ratio of a 12:0.1)
Note: He does not recommend heavier valve springs or more durable retainers, However I'd recommend the dual vvt-i springs.

>>OEM manual transmission 3S-GE Blacktop Intake Valve Springs 90501-33016 (x8) and Exhaust Valve Springs 90501-33017 (x8) = $80>>
Note: Redtop/Blacktop share same valve spring retainers.

>>JE Forged 12.5:1 Pistons $950 or opt for the OEM 11.5:1 Altezza Pistons $290-350 (can handle 8K rpm)>>
https://www.realstreetperformance.com/catal...q=+3sge+pistons
>>Manley Forged connecting rods. $570.>> Altezza Engine has different part # for connecting rods. 13201-79446 x4 = $470
https://throtl.com/products/manley-86-99-to...e0mkgNWPsrq3zyi

>>Racing Main/Rod Bearings and Thrust Washers $125>>
https://jdtracing.com/products/acl-bundle-r...5W5A_CPREHihTmQ

>>Lower Oil Pan spacer for increased oil capacity. Can be bought with or without baffles $370-400.>>
https://mr2heaven.com/products/gen3-4-5-3sg...es-oil-capacity

However, perform your own oil pressure logging before determining if this upgrade is necessary:
https://primemr2.com/products/oil-pressure-...11b36&_ss=r

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Apr 13, 2025 - 4:37 AM

>>Custom Gear set with OEM engine:>>
RPM drop off from 1st into 2nd gear = 2,243
RPM drop off from 2nd into 3rd gear = 2,279
RPM drop off from 3rd into 4th gear = 1,983
RPM drop off from 4th into 5th gear = 1,782

>>Integra Type R (98 spec) with 225/45R16:>>
RPM drop off from 1st into 2nd gear = 2,494
RPM drop off from 2nd into 3rd gear = 2,426
RPM drop off from 3rd into 4th gear = 2,313
RPM drop off from 4th into 5th gear = 1,929

>>OEM Gear set:>>
RPM drop off from 1st into 2nd gear = 2,747
RPM drop off from 2nd into 3rd gear = 2,643
RPM drop off from 3rd into 4th gear = 1,688
RPM drop off from 4th into 5th gear = 1,524

>>Both 3SGE Redtop Single VVT-i and B18C Integra Type R have a 2,250 rpm power band>>

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Dec 3, 2024 - 4:14 PM

>>Example of best possible gear ratios for a built 3SGE Beams Redtop Engine>>

customvscone by Justin Towers, on Flickr

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Nov 24, 2024 - 9:07 PM

>>OEM Spec Camshaft duration (IN/EX) - 256°/244° (advertised duration) (Unknown) @ 1mm lift / (Unknown) @ 0.050in. lift Camshaft lift: (IN/EX) - 10.5mm/9.2mm

apparently TRD used to sell cams for Redtop motor as mentioned by Pheonix on this forum) however not sure why it isnt listed in 2002 TRD catalog.
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This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Oct 29, 2024 - 11:44 AM

TRD made an second oil pan with larger oil capacity along with baffles built in and offered spacers for the oil pick up. This is probably where mr2 heaven got the idea from.
https://www.trdparts.jp/parts/archive/parts...gine-3s-ge.html

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Oct 29, 2024 - 5:49 PM

While over the ditch, NZ make these custom ones...

They can do 45mm, 48mm or 50mm






Not sure on price. But gen 3 owners could use their lower intake runners, and possibly a small adaptor bracket between that and the itb's

>>I think this is a 120 degree angle, but only because it was fitted into a newer corolla that originally had an 1ZZ motor. While the one you picture looks like a 90 degree bend.
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IMG-20171130-WA0003 by Justin Towers, on Flickr
IMG-20171130-WA0001 by Justin Towers, on FlickrIMG-20171109-WA0001 by Justin Towers, on Flickr
IMG-20170306-WA0005 by Justin Towers, on Flickr

>>pics of how cat cams come in the mail
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IMG-20180329-WA0004 by Justin Towers, on Flickr

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Dec 15, 2022 - 1:22 PM

>>Valve Clearance Spec for 3SGE Beams Redtop


Intake .17-27mm
Exhaust: .32-.42mm>>

>>upgrading your transaxle to the 1994-1995 E56 trans gearing and swapping out final drives from the 96-2000 RAV4:
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Increase in torque from 4.176 - 4.529 is 9.24%.
Increase in torque from 4.176 - 4.933 is 18.14%

Which means a 4.933 final drive in your E56 transaxle will gain 27 ft lb torque + 152 ft lb (engine torque) = 179 ft lb tq

more details here in this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb3F5238fco

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: May 15, 2023 - 1:01 PM

>>>>MAF intake adapters:>>>>
https://www.driftmotion.com/2JZGTE-VVTi-MAF...pe-p/dm3584.htm

https://hpsperformanceproducts.com/products...mbWI0&gQT=1

>>>>Manifold flange with enlarged exhaust ports for those that plan on doing proper cylinder headwork>>>>
https://www.sq-engineering.com/product/3sge...1QQm4nx2w817u3o

>>3sge Beams motors have an intake manifold thermal spacer. something that is not found on Honda's B18C or K20A motors.

Furthermore the Beams has an improved PCV system over gen 3 design. This allow crankcase pressure to remain much lower and not push as much oil out the valve cover. These improvements were carried over to the 4th gen 3SG-TE platform>>

despite better PCV system. blow by still occurs and oil puddles inside the intake manifold. Would recommend an catch can set up.

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Apr 1, 2025 - 3:41 PM

someone is detailing the conversion of Altezza motor into a FWD setup. https://www.mr2oc.com/threads/3s-ge-beams-b...rite-up.693735/
another member on fb has attached a C64 transaxle onto 3S-GE Dual VVT-i engine and is putting it into an ST202. he'll keep my updated as soon as its installed but mentioned Late summer 2025 is more than likley when i'll get on a dyno

the Caldina Greytop (auto spec only) was produced until 2002

Benefits of Dual VVT-i motor over single vvt-i redtop:
Better flowing intake manifold, higher compression, exhaust vvt-i (greater flat torque curve), larger buckets/lifters, different valve springs and more aggressive camshaft profile.

>>>>As far as cooling is concerned,>>>> I was told by a member who has an ST185 Celica; that his oem koyorad radiator kept engine cool on track up to 400hp. better than the dual core alloy radiator. The OEM fans are quite large and flow a lot of cfm, but come close to contacting the oem exhaust manifold. Keep your OEM (Koyo brand plastic tank header and footer) and upgrade to SPAL IX-30101522 fans.

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Mar 19, 2025 - 2:49 AM

castings for the redtop/greytop and dual vvt-i blacktop manual trans head are the same. To my understanding, you can't use blacktop cams in a redtop cylinder head because the exhaust cams lobes are wider in order to accommodate the larger blacktop buckets. Redtop buckets are 31mm while Blacktop Dual VVT-i (manual trans) are 33mm.

tuning that Toyota produced for the Altezza engine. https://www.trdparts.jp/parts/archive/parts...gine-3s-ge.html

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Mar 19, 2025 - 2:48 AM