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I know the welds you may see are not the best, but im upside down on my back working with 3/16 metal and however thick the metal is on that spot...my first attempts weren't to great but guarentee not to break, i've been building Low-Riders most of my days, hopping all four off the ground, hitting back bumper and never broke a weld...maybe the car around it but no welds....goppy or not it'll hold. Did you know your car is put together with spot welds??? And like he said...yes it'll get clean'd up and presentable, reinforced Pipes was just so excited He had to go drive it..wouldn't you if you had an RHD AWD Celica.....wait you don't

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first off, pipes, sorry, but no, that was not a good "wow".

i applaude your efforts, and like i told dan (player158) back in the day when he did the "suprica" "people may bust on ya, but i'll give you major props, if for nothing else than for having the balls to try it."

that said, that car is ruined.

that rear end looks like swiss cheese he blew so many holes in it.

what was used to weld this up? please tell me it was some cheap stick welder, cause anything else would be unacceptable to me. do you understand the kind of torsional stress that rear end is gonna see when this kid is ripping this car around corners like a madman, cause he thinks hes got a cool AWD car? god forbid that thing decides to take a crap on him at high speed, never mind high speeds and cornering.
i would be ashamed to show off and boast about somthing like what you have presented here.
that car is just dangerous, to both the owner, and anyone else around him on the road.
you may be able to get the kids that dont know any better around here to jump up and down and shout "ohh man i want one!", but if THAT is what an AWD celica conversion has to look like to have one, ill pass, thanks.
now i will admit, i am no professional welder, however, one of the first things i have learned, is that in order to actually weld things, and not just melt some metal onto another peice of metal, things have to be clean.
i cant see how you call this welding.

the factory undercoating is still on the car, how can you call that a weld? or is the rubberized undercoating used to help join the 2 metals?
it dont matter if youve "fixed" it or not, this stuff is all the base that you started from.
you can polish a turd all day, but at the end of the day, its just a shiny turd.


sure, your "bouncing cars" may hold, but the diffrence is this:

if one of those cars decides to break, it aint gonna be at 100mph, its gonna be more like 10-15mph, MAX. lets be realistic, when do people do that stuff? at very low speeds, and stopped, espcially if its a "hopper".
this car is gonna be pushed, i would assume.
how can you trust those welds in those conditions?
i just hope that when it does break, that this kid and/or others dont get killed.

i dunno man.... onlytime will tell....and by looking at the other awd celi ours is stronger... but time will tell

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How can you say this for sure? There has been what maybe 4 awd converted celicas out there and I think one had issues with not being able to go straight at high speeds. Please don't be cocky with this. Me and my buddies are happy for you with achieving your goals and all the time and effort put into building this car. I'm not going to lie it was nice to see a converted car running, but then again how long did it take you guys to whip this thing up?

You should be happy and proud of your work, but please don't rub it in and be cocky about your car, because in the end my car will more then likely last longer then yours after getting beated on for a long period of time.

Now how does that feel?

ok so from a "welders" view...i give u props on trying this and it not falling apart but manny brings up very very key points....lookin at some pics like he said doesnt look like stuff was very clean....contamintes will screw you over every time.... u may not see it on the out side of ur weld but most times it causes porosity which is swiss chees inside ur weld making it junk...not saying urs are but if the base arent cleaned and preped then sh*t will happen..also ur weld design has alot to due with the strenght also but i assume ur thickness on this build went from 3/16 to maybe 1/4 inch bevels and such dont comply here...also here is a big thing also....what did you use to weld...i seen a mig in a picture so i assume you used that with some sheilding gas...but what wire??? did you use a flux core or a hard wire...in your defence its hard to make welds look nice with hard wire speicaly with stuff like this in an akward position and dirty base.. flux core wire would have been best prolly.....good luck with it..ur going over it all and fixing stuff so keep it up....alot of pressure will be applied to these joints so dont let em break!! lol also just a heads up....one of the most important things i learned welding with vechiles......if u weld it....it breaks....some one gets hurt...you who welded are liable....so keep that inmind...any who keep it up!

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and the other celi i was personally underneath with a camera loking for ideas.. not sure but can be pretty close

How does that feel? Um if the car breaks it breaks you either fix it or give up personally the car breaking isn't something I'm worried about....I have another car.....these things come and go.... not being cocky or trying to rub it in plans ar already in motion to redo things everything you guys say is taken into consideration....me and my buddy don't know everything that's why were on the forum....but thanks for the advice guys keep you updated

This post has been edited by pipes: Oct 26, 2008 - 5:28 PM

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if it breaks you better pray it breaks while you are going in a straight line at low speed. if something like that breaks @ highway speed...i seriously hope you have airbags....you'll need them.


pipes good luck to you guys.

This post has been edited by playr158: Dec 8, 2008 - 12:24 PM

wow this thread is hostile

Wow, if for some reason I was attempting this too, I would not post about it only for this reason.
I mean, yes, I understand you are concerned about safety, but some people are taking it a bit far and downright talking sh!t about his work.
Point out what he did wrong or could have done better, why its wrong, and maybe why he should trust you and listen to you(like you weld as a profession or build prototype cars lol)
Not, "Your welds suck, look at mine *pwned.*"
These guys have put in countless hours of work and way too much money and they don't want to come on here and have people be rude.
Most of these people are the "older" members and have seen this stuff before, but you older members should also know this site is based on these rules:

1. Keep your posts clean. These forums, like the rest of the site, are designed to be a family-safe environment, and that means that you must watch your use of obscenities. This also means not attacking others in your posts. You must respect everyone here. If you're not going to post something helpful or respectful, don't post. This also means no pornography, sexist, racist, hateful, or illegal content as well.

2. Be nice to the new members! They're new, and if they post something that has been posted a lot in the past, don't answer with something such as "Do a search." Instead, maybe do a search yourself, and link them to a couple informative threads, or write a post that answers their question, with a friendly comment at the end of your post to maybe do a search next time. Remember, we were ALL new once.

5. Don't call people out on whether or not they have what they say they have on their car. If people really have what they have, they'll post pics eventually in most cases, and if they don't, oh well, just live your life and don't worry about them. Just live life and don't get all worked up about whether or not someone on a website has what they say they have.

Well put Stephen, see you saturday!

it does not have to be. Guys chill out, and pipes good job.

Like any other car thats been modified. No matter what the modification, who does it, if it affects structural integrity, the car is no longer OEM and the owner is responsible. So that even puts me in the list.

We all modify our cars, some more than others, thats ok, everybody assumes a risk. fine. But lets not shoot pipes in the foot, hes doing something i would be afraid to do. so thats a lot to digest. it would be sad to see this post being closed for hostility.

Aside from all, i think pipes has been very cool in his responses, i dont feel like he ever atacked anybody in particular.

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Well Pipes, and thatguydatdidit, here you go....






Im really proud of you!!! ONE HELL OF A JOB AND AN ORIGINAL here among the 6gc FAMILY

Sorry for raising the flag! now everyone please be nice!! wish i had that sort of know how!

*toe jam is not all its cracked up to be.... neither are shoe laces*

This post has been edited by easternpiro1: Oct 28, 2008 - 10:11 PM

props on even attempting it, more than i can say. on a side note, what wheels are those for? i see TRD center caps

They look like TRD wheels, they were made for the Scion tC but fit our celis as well. they come in flat black which a I love.

Ill add in my .2c.

Thanks for posting pics and videos. I think the more info we have about this conversion the better. It takes a lot of hard work to pull off a full conversion like that, and props to you for the effort you put into it. I hope you post more details about your conversion process to help benefit the community and to show others what you should/shouldn't do.

Do I think you did things right? no.
Do I think that rear end is just going to fly off the car while driving? no, but there is good chance you might have some issues with it.
Keep an eye on things and stay safe. Remember that you have a rear end that was hacked onto the car, and that there is a lot more stress on the rear in an awd car then there is on a slow n low rider.

This post has been edited by lagos: Oct 28, 2008 - 10:41 PM

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Those are trd 18's they still don't clear the front calipers I had to use 2mm spacers to clear them.....they might be for sale soooo...

just in respect to the elders here, i won't say much.... but keep in mind this is a forum and i beleive there are more proper ways of telling someone that their attempt to do something was poor espeicially if you havent tried it your self. It is true maybe the way it was put together isn't the greatest way but this is kinda all about trial and error. We arn't driving little grocery getters here.........half of us are always trying to build something new, hands down... i agree with lagos


*edit: spelling mistake..... "use" instead of "us"

This post has been edited by Theshanon: Oct 29, 2008 - 3:23 PM

so ive driven the car for a week now..... first of all to all you guys with swapped 3sgte....the power is amazing hands down...... to all you euro and jap guys rhd is even sicker lol....but props to all you guys that have done this swap before this thing is amazing wish i knew this sooner....lol i want another one fwd

buy mine ....lol

buy mine. it already has the swap and the gt-four front end like yours but fwd lsd.

Hey guys giving you all an update....been driving this thing for however long now.... its a fun car just wanted to let you guys know its still running.... and it goes str8 at 10mph and at 110mph.... hoping to get to dyno next week and on fitting my exhaust on monday I'll keep you guys updated!!

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Glad to Hear that!!! You checking up on those welds back there daily? I would be. Any clunking/vibrations from the rear?
Have you gotten an alignment for it yet?
I'm reallly glad to see this running right. Any new vids?

Yea been checking the rear often...funny thing is there is no noise from the rear but when I go over a bump I sometimes a get a bang almost like I'm bottoming out I don't know if it because of the coilovers or what...I'll get some vids up I wanna get some rolling shots and such... any suggestions on the clunk would be good

look under there and look for the lowest point, find it and see if its scraped, if so mark it with a paint pen. next timde it makes that noise, check under the car && if the paint is scrapped off again, you are bottoming out there and i wouldnt really worry. if you are, weld up a "skid plate" for your new rear end.

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Oh sorry I forgot to mention its from the front

same wouls apply.. but yeah.. bottoming out in front is common, i've done it, and im on stock suspension

go slower over bumps

any advice, suggestions or tips for others who want to do this?
GREAT JOB btw

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Research and don't be afraid there is no right way to do this also you need the spare tire well if you want a gastank

Glad everything is working out for you man. Enjoy the car and stay safe.
A boosted 6th gen is a great thing to have.