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Topic #662 121 posts Started by west_minist
Heres go.

Trek sits behind his wheel waiting for it to all happen.

He peers at the line in the distance, what a quater!

He settled into the seat as his hands grips the wheel while his eye focus on the treeek faced before him.

His heart rotates around the confine limits of its quarters.

His chest rises as he tunnelled his vision sets to the green lanterns.

With a rush, his A/F when rich!

His boost at 2.

Without warning, he shifts to 2nd. His eyes wide open; not wanting to blink

100feet out of the locks, he see nothing as a flame shootup. High up.

All around him is fire as he is stuck deep into his seat with no back.

A light flashing before him. Beep, beeep, beeeep, beeeeeeep 4bar!! >confused.gif> >mad.gif>
--igotta5S-FEturbo+Jan 19 2003, 01:05 AM
QUOTE (igotta5S-FEturbo @ Jan 19 2003, 01:05 AM)
my application is a lot of street a little race,  BUT I hate it when the souped up firebirds and camaros and vettes around here pass me on the interstate when I go to work and even with the turbo I get beaten.  So I need something that will anialate all.  Civics and integras are no problem now but I gotta beat the V8.  I checked out the JUN website and placed an order for the camshaft stage 2 kit.  What are those things that are in the option thing?  Oh, and I almost forgot what is the best clutch that I should get?  ACT or centerforce?  Or neither.  West minst you are a pretty smart guy and thanks for all of your help.


Matt

Matt? you must read everything.

Are you changing your computer or are you going piggy back?

If piggy back, you will need the HKS VPC to change to speed density since you maybe using 272 degree cams.

I think that it is better to go with a motec 48 or a Autronic SM2. Check my link paths on this page and review both products. It is better to go with them than with all the piggy backs which will cost the same money, but hard to use since you have more than one device to change parameters.

All parameters can be control with these computers via a laptop under the seat.

The option is for the cam gear. You have either the option to get the JUN or HKS cam gears or sprockets as they are named. I like the HKS cam sprocket over JUN, but JUN looks lighter.

The kit you order contains which cams? 264 or 272 degree cams?

Will you order Stroker kit and the Valve guide kit?

You have a number of choices for the clutch. Check my mod list posted before.

You should have a list of all what you need, part numbers, where you going to by them and so on.

TRD, Toda Racing, HKS, JUN, ACT, Centerforce can be use for your clutch. Just chose one on quality and price. But you have to verify each manufacture if there have a clutch for the Celica GTFour. It maybe possible that a MR2 clutch can fit the GTfour but I do not know since one the MR2 is RWD while the GTFOUR is AWD.

Also, the 90-94 GTFOUR transmission might be the same. Check this out with NEVERSTOP or any other person.

TRD should definately have one. Checkout http://www.fensport.co.uk/partsfiles/st205clutch.htm for clutch kit

Are you using a carbon fibre drive shaft for the rear axle?

This post has been edited by west_minist: Jun 12, 2003 - 7:07 AM

i think that this topic should be renamed. i had the impression upon entering it that it was going to be a discussion of 7afte or 5sfte, not building up a 3sgte.

also, i fail to see how an Apexi rev/speed meter (among other things) are a required part for a turbo project. that doesn't do anything other than display status information.

sorry, i'm not attacking anyone, i just don't see how a laundry list of 3sgte parts is going to help anyone get together a "Do-IT-Youself" turbo project.

1994 Lexus ES3001989 Supra Turbo1990 RHD ST185RC - JDM Spec
--Charlie97L+Jan 19 2003, 01:01 PM
QUOTE (Charlie97L @ Jan 19 2003, 01:01 PM)
i think that this topic should be renamed. i had the impression upon entering it that it was going to be a discussion of 7afte or 5sfte, not building up a 3sgte.

also, i fail to see how an Apexi rev/speed meter (among other things) are a required part for a turbo project. that doesn't do anything other than display status information.

sorry, i'm not attacking anyone, i just don't see how a laundry list of 3sgte parts is going to help anyone get together a "Do-IT-Youself" turbo project.

The first pag is strictly for any vehicle since it have some major parts added for turbocharging any vehicle.

If you have continue to read the pages, you would see that it is not for the faint hearted unless you took your car to a shop.

I am amaze each time when someone who have ideas about turbocharging their ride do not know the reason why.

All that you hear is "do I really need that", "what is that for", "why"

Come on people. This is not to affend anyone.

It is easier to find GT & ST parts than for the 3SGTE parts. eg, clutch and so forth.

One last question for you Charlie97L, are you one of those person who does things without knowing what the result would be? In other words, just do?

it will be nice to here your input.
--west_minist+Jan 19 2003, 11:23 AM
QUOTE (west_minist @ Jan 19 2003, 11:23 AM)
--Charlie97L+Jan 19 2003, 01:01 PM
QUOTE (Charlie97L @ Jan 19 2003, 01:01 PM)
i think that this topic should be renamed.  i had the impression upon entering it that it was going to be a discussion of 7afte or 5sfte, not building up a 3sgte.

also, i fail to see how an Apexi rev/speed meter (among other things) are a required part for a turbo project.  that doesn't do anything other than display status information.

sorry, i'm not attacking anyone, i just don't see how a laundry list of 3sgte parts is going to help anyone get together a "Do-IT-Youself" turbo project.

The first pag is strictly for any vehicle since it have some major parts added for turbocharging any vehicle.

If you have continue to read the pages, you would see that it is not for the faint hearted unless you took your car to a shop.

I am amaze each time when someone who have ideas about turbocharging their ride do not know the reason why.

All that you hear is "do I really need that", "what is that for", "why"

Come on people. This is not to affend anyone.

It is easier to find GT & ST parts than for the 3SGTE parts. eg, clutch and so forth.

One last question for you Charlie97L, are you one of those person who does things without knowing what the result would be? In other words, just do?

it will be nice to here your input.

i wouldn't call charlie out...he knows his shxt west...i wouldn't fxck w/ him...just my .02cents. i talk to him on AIM all the time, and he's who i go to for most questions when there's somethin complicated i can't figure out. he was in the process of building a 7agte, and yes, he knew why and what to do...so think before you call some people out.
-John-

AIM==Mynzeyes
--west_minist+Jan 19 2003, 10:23 AM
QUOTE (west_minist @ Jan 19 2003, 10:23 AM)
One last question for you Charlie97L, are you one of those person who does things without knowing  what the result would be? In other words, just do?

it will be nice to here your input.

no, not at all, i alwasy exhaustively research every mod i do to my car before attempting it. i totally respect the work you are doing and the information you are giving, and i understand your points about the parts, they are all very good ones and you obviously know what you are talking about.

my point was that not everyone needs a 700 HP celica... it IS very tempting, and a hell of a project, but I think that most people looking for a turbo project just want some more oomph. i mean, look at me, I just want like 200 ish HP... that's all, I want to continue to drive my celica every day, i'm never going to race it. i just want it to be a little sportier, and be able to hang with GT-Ss, GS-Rs, etc. and really back up the sporty look we have on our cars.

i wasn't dismissing your post in any way, i just said that the title was misleading, and after further reading your stuff, i realized (DOH!) that you weren't implying the Rev/Speed meter and other stuff was necessary, just outlining all the available options for your car... so i most definitely concede that point. >smile.gif>

so basically, my point is, i was just saying the subject heading was a tad misleading... it's totally fine, i was just making an observation. and i guess what i would really like is a good simple list of what the bare minimum is to turbo your car. i know many people would like this info, and i'm probably going to start a new topic, and i would love for you to contribute to that. >smile.gif>

also, i have to say, i really enjoy the debates that go on over here on 6gc.net ... celica.net has lost some of that good discussion somewhere. >smile.gif>

This post has been edited by Charlie97L: Jan 19, 2003 - 2:19 PM


1994 Lexus ES3001989 Supra Turbo1990 RHD ST185RC - JDM Spec
Understand.

My aim wasn't to concentrate on the 3sgte by who ever comes, I answer.

As you can see, they is no one asking questions about the 5sfe or any other engine.

I agree on the 700HP after a request, but my first post tops it al for a simple setup.

I was ask for 500+ and I supplied info to that request.

No prob. I would love to contribute to your post. just drop me a person mail and I will see what I can add to it.

How is you 4AFTE going? Any oil temperature or leaking problems? how is the a/f going?

This post has been edited by west_minist: Mar 9, 2003 - 8:24 PM

--Charlie97L+Jan 19 2003, 01:01 PM
QUOTE (Charlie97L @ Jan 19 2003, 01:01 PM)
i think that this topic should be renamed.  i had the impression upon entering it that it was going to be a discussion of 7afte or 5sfte, not building up a 3sgte.

Sorry, i'm not attacking anyone, i just don't see how a laundry list of 3sgte parts is going to help anyone get together a "Do-IT-Youself" turbo project.

Charlie!

Please do not forget that the celica carries other engines beside the 7A & 5S.

Also, from my opinion here, alot of guys do not even know what part to get or parts they need.

You maybe right on the subject.

I believe a detail description is need now on setting up the stuff on the car.

The name is already there. Do you think we should start a write up now on how to do it?

There are so many 3SGTE post on the site.

This post has been edited by west_minist: Jan 19, 2003 - 3:27 PM

--west_minist+Jan 19 2003, 01:07 PM
QUOTE (west_minist @ Jan 19 2003, 01:07 PM)
No prob. I would love to contribute to your post. just drop me a person mail and I will see what I can add to it.

How is you 4AFTE going? Any oil temperature or leaking problems? how is the a/f going?

actually, right now, i'm workin on a 7afte, turbocharging the ST engine in my 97. i decided to wait on a swap because my current engine only has 68K on it. so, i'm going to start on this as soon as i can get the $$ together, and i'm going to see what i can do about doing a writeup on it.

i don't anticipate any leakage problems with the turbo setup. i am planning on getting a SAFC and setting back my timing 5 degrees to help with the a/f ratios.... so we'll see how that goes. >smile.gif> i'm going to start the thread tomorrow, and anyone who has any ideas should definitely check it out.

1994 Lexus ES3001989 Supra Turbo1990 RHD ST185RC - JDM Spec
What you you thread be?

Turbocharging a 7AFE?

I think we should sub topic on this present thread insstead of creating a new one.

You write up can be the mail topic while all of page 1 & 2 can be a sub topic.

What do you think.

You see, I can say what to do, but to what level.

eg. how to make a turbo manifold from scratch or just put together a manifold, allow it to have some room without sharp bends?

Look forward to your response.
--Charlie97L+Jan 19 2003, 05:35 PM
QUOTE (Charlie97L @ Jan 19 2003, 05:35 PM)
actually, right now, i'm workin on a 7afte, turbocharging the ST engine in my 97. i decided to wait on a swap because my current engine only has 68K on it. so, i'm going to start on this as soon as i can get the $$ together, and i'm going to see what i can do about doing a writeup on it.

Great. Nice start.

Are you going to pull tractors? :p

That is going to be alot of torque :D

Oh sorry. 7A 1.8l.

Any reason for not using 5S :confused:

what hp are you aiming for? 200-220HP

How much money are you going to spend in total? 3K including APEX SAFC?

--west_minist+Jan 19 2003, 03:17 PM
QUOTE (west_minist @ Jan 19 2003, 03:17 PM)
That is going to be alot of torque >biggrin.gif>

Oh sorry. 7A 1.8l.

Any reason for not using 5S >confused.gif>

what hp are you aiming for? 200-220HP

How much money are you going to spend in total? 3K including APEX SAFC?

i'm not using the 5sfe because (unfortunately) i have an ST Celica, which has the 1.8L 7afe. i'm aiming for about 200 HP. i'm probably going to spend about 2500 on my version, but i'm going to suggest the least expensive way to go in my writeup.

1994 Lexus ES3001989 Supra Turbo1990 RHD ST185RC - JDM Spec
--Charlie97L+Jan 19 2003, 07:03 PM
QUOTE (Charlie97L @ Jan 19 2003, 07:03 PM)
i'm not using the 5sfe because (unfortunately) i have an ST Celica, which has the 1.8L 7afe.  i'm aiming for about 200 HP.  i'm probably going to spend about 2500 on my version, but i'm going to suggest the least expensive way to go in my writeup.

Ok. But I do not understand.

You are replacing your engine. Why not get the 5S?

7A is about 105HP w/116Lb.Ft.

What size injectors do you have?

Ok. Check out the Apex S-AVC & S-AFC controllers for your boost and Fuel requirement.

If not, just use a TRD/HKS Fuel Pressure regulator and adjust the AIR Flow meter or throttle sensor for more fuel.

Add a <$300 Crane Cam HI6TRC to your setup with either a Nology M80 coil or w/ Cranecam LX92 coil for more spark power.

All you need to do now is to get the manifold, position right and run piping and oil. AND, what intercooler are you going to use? Can you get an OEM inter. from some other car dealer?

Is your suspension up to that power?

This post has been edited by west_minist: Jan 19, 2003 - 6:55 PM

--west_minist+Jan 19 2003, 04:36 PM
QUOTE (west_minist @ Jan 19 2003, 04:36 PM)
You are replacing your engine. Why not get the 5S?

What size injectors do you have?

AND, what intercooler are you going to use?

Is your suspension up to that power?

see, i'm not replacing my engine >smile.gif> i'm adding a turbo to it... i WAS going to swap, but my plans chaged... sorry about the confusion.

i'm going to use 440cc injectors from an MR2 turbo, and i will definitely check out the ignition stuff you suggested.

i'm getting a custom intercooler from one of the guys on celica.net

my suspension is definitely up to the power, i have it almost maxed out. i'm running koni yellows, trd spring, ST sway bars, JSpeed Front Strut Brace, and a Cusco OS Rear Strut Brace. >wink.gif>

1994 Lexus ES3001989 Supra Turbo1990 RHD ST185RC - JDM Spec
Sounds good.

What turbo are you going to use? CT20?

Do you have a camera? Take some test runs and post the mpegs.

Ok. I look forward to your new post.
--west_minist+Jan 19 2003, 05:17 PM
QUOTE (west_minist @ Jan 19 2003, 05:17 PM)
What turbo are you going to use? CT20?

Do you have a camera? Take some test runs and post the mpegs.

i'm going to use a t3/t4 turbo, not sure of what housing size i'm getting yet.

i do have a digi cam and as soon as i start getting parts in i will take plenty of pictures >smile.gif>

1994 Lexus ES3001989 Supra Turbo1990 RHD ST185RC - JDM Spec
I have about 95k miles on my 7a. Will low boost blow it to hell?
--FallenHero+Jan 19 2003, 09:56 PM
QUOTE (FallenHero @ Jan 19 2003, 09:56 PM)
I have about 95k miles on my 7a. Will low boost blow it to hell?

nah, just run a compression test... boost will make the engine wear much faster, but you should be fine, i think. >smile.gif>

1994 Lexus ES3001989 Supra Turbo1990 RHD ST185RC - JDM Spec
--FallenHero+Jan 20 2003, 12:56 AM
QUOTE (FallenHero @ Jan 20 2003, 12:56 AM)
I have about 95k miles on my 7a. Will low boost blow it to hell?

Also, because you might have that high mileage, it does not mean that your engine is completely wear out.

If you service your vehic every 3-6 months, you are actually putting back life into the engine.
I will try to keep it cheap as possible. But please remember that in the long run, cheapnest makes you spend money. We all like the rising HP, but hates replacing.

I will also keep the job as simple as possible.

I have never turbocharge a celica, but have over-veiw such projects on the 4AFE, 4AGE, 4AGE 20v silver top.

I have a few friends here with 6gen celica and I almost purchase one myself, but decided to wait until the end of this year to import one from Japan.

I have view the engine bay of both AS/NA models, which shows more space for turbocharging than the other toyota models we have work with using the 4A engines.

To some point, turbocharging is turbocharging. Some projects are unique but once you have the will, there is a way.

Charlie97L will be doing a similar how-to for the main 6gc.net which will finish over time. He have posted a couple queries to me which I have reply and accepted. I therefore will add (including other) any content that will help him in his project.

Either way, that will take some time and here is my write up.

All products comes with detail manuals on how to set them up. E.g, Apex'i.

I see no need to rewrite what are in those documents.

Almost all manufactures have their documentation online.

My main right up will be installing the turbo and tuning after installing.

Please remember that almost all of the manufacture listed in this post have their documentation on line. Please make reference to them.

The final how to on this document will appear as a colaborate effort on everyone part, including Charlie97L who will be the main contributor, currently turbocharging his 7AFE.

Please check my first post for parts need.

I will also be assuming that your car is very standard at this point. I.e, just purchase from the car lot.

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1) We will lower the car by 1" to 2". We can either use Eibach ProKit or SportLine spring or some coilover like GroundControl with some adjustable Koni or KYB shock.

I mention adjustable here to set a ride comfort level. Also, remember to check your camber.

Also, if you want to, upgrade you brake rotors since there will not be able to hard the excessive braking that might be require after turbocharging. This is a warning!

2) We will apply some bracing to the structure to prevent twisting and flexing in the car body, thereby allowing better control in braking, cornering and sudden torque stresses from launching.

Such bracing includes Strut Tower brace, Rear stabilizing brace, Anti-Roll Bars, Lower Frame Brace.

3) If you stick with your standard rims, still purchase good rubber for your rim. Check out http://www.tirerack.com for the best Ultra or MAX Performance tire for your ride. Not listed there is the Toyo Proxes T1-S.

Tire Survey
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/index.jsp

Ultra High Performance Tires
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/uhp.jsp

Max Performance Tires
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/surveyresults/max.jsp

4) Gauge setup. You can get a number of gauges from Autometer or from some other manufacture.

You will need an Air/Fuel ratio, boost, temperature and pressure gauge. There are all important; making sure that you do not destroy your engine.

Refer to manufacture for setting up of there gauges


5) What we do from here now is to tune the car. This will show you how lame stock can be.

6) In this tuning, we will select a nice turbo exhaust using a custom 2.5” – 3.0” piping. Also get a good air filter from companies like K&N, Ractive and so on.

7) Install a good Adjustable fuel pressure regulator w/ a gauge (optional but need to see what your fuel pressure is set at and to see if you fuel system can handle the high fuel flow need after turbocharging.)

You will be using the A-FPR to supply more fuel to the injectors, thereby reducing the duty cycle on the injector when you need more fuel to make more power and have a proper fuel-air mixture after turbocharging.

8) Install some nice Platinum, Iridium or any racing plugs from manufacture like NGK, Nippon, etc.


9) Start the car and check you A/F gauge. Increase the fuel pressure using the FPR. Make a note on the reading display by the fuel gauge meter. Listen to how the car is idling. We do not want the car to sound lumpy, as this is wasting fuel and causing pollution. Check the Autometer or the A/F meter for how rich or lean the car is.

Test drive the car and the your keep eye on the A/F meter. Keep from using full throttle opening since the meter will not read properly. We want the reading to be in the range stoichiometric range (yellow lights into green) or just a little rich (into few green lights).

Must read http://www.autometer.com/hp/index.html

Check for the best time it take to reach 100km/h or some measurement to see what your best A/F would be for your driving style.

10) After running the previous test, let us now advance the timing. You will need a timing light. Read through your Celica Repair or Workshop manual (by this time you should have one. You will need it later) on how to do this. (You will have the turn the distributor clockwise/anticlockwise [on some models beside toyota] after slacking it off)

Adjust you timing by every 2 degree. Listen for pinging (sound like little hammers hitting on a piece of block metal)

Tests drive the car again and listen for the pinging sound under normal and hard acceleration. When successful, push the timing up again (by 2 degree). Run the same test again. If you start to here the pinging sound (for Air Flow meter people) adjust your AFM a/f screw. Otherwise, increase you fuel press until you get rid of the sound.

Please remember that you must meet a balance between A/F and timing.

Test drive one last time to make sure everything is good.

Your car should now feel very fast and capable.

You can also use the Btilz Power Meter i-D http://www.blitz-na.com/PM_ID.htm OR the G-TECH/Pro Competition http://www.gtechpro.com Monitoring tool.

Apex Speed/Rev Meter can also do this job

Please note that this highly advance timing will be reduce when you go turbocharged [/color][/b]

(Optional) This maybe a good time to invest in a Cranecams or MSD ignition controller with a timing control. Once attained, you can reset you timing to 0 and use the ignition controller timing module to control your timing from the cockpit.

11) Next:- turbocharge the engine now.



Turbocharging

1) Since we are dealing with 1800cc + engines, try to stay away from 1600cc turbos.

You can either go with a Toyota CT20B Turbo, but it would be better to use the CT26 turbo. If not pickup a Garret or a HKS
GT-SS or the GT2510 or GT2530 or some other OEM turbo from out of some vehicle doing 200+ HP and less than 280HP(your choice) for a car over 1800cc. All of then should have an internal wastegate. The aim here is to run low boost by default, without using a boost controller

The GT-SS & the GT2530 is the same turbo except the 2530 have a bigger
Compressor wheel.
http://www.hksusa.com/categories/more.asp?id=1092
http://www.hksusa.com/products/?id=703

You can also safely go up to GT-RS if you want to. This depends on your aim and future HP.

2) I recommend we run a low boost level. Let say anyway between 3-8psi since we are below 11:1 compression on the engine and also playing it safe. If above 11:1, 6psi will be good.

3) The gauges mentioned before really comes into play here.

We will need to keep our eye on the oil pressure and temperature, engine temperature, boost, Air Fuel ratio and others.

Turbocharged engines are highly stress engines.

Make sure your oil and water pumps are good.

High oil temperatures are not good. Once pass the manufacture recommendations, the oil loses its ability to lubricate. You know what happens next??? The engine will KNOCK; cease up or whatever you want to call it.

So take these warnings VERY serious. Ok? >smile.gif>


4) Depending on your turbo exhaust housing inlet, you maybe able to buy a turbo manifold or build one. Position your turbo to see the best location to place it.

Remember the exhaust housing will get very hot, so give it enough room from the engine and radiator or whatever else. Also try to keep it away from the oil filter.

If possible, you should try to possible the turbo as close as possible to the header outlet form the engine. Also from to added bends going the same direction as all the others. This will alleviate stress on custom manifold itself.

Give http://www.burnsstainless.com a call if you want a customer manifold build by experts.

5) You will have to get a shop or a friend to weld up a manifold for you from pipes of angular cast iron/stainless steel pipes. Allow these pipes to converge into collector since the HKS GT-SS & GT2510 have one entry.

Try to keep each pipe equal lengths or multiple path lengths coming from the engine exhaust outlets. E.g. 1-4 2-3

6) Put back a new manifold gasket if your old one is going. If you like, you might need to use 2 gaskets depending on how flat your customized header backplane is.

You will also need some turbo gasket accessories from any aftermarket store which sells turbos or different types of high temperature gaskets used on engine etc.

Main: http://www.hksusa.com/categories/?id=1088

http://www.hksusa.com/products/?id=833
http://www.hksusa.com/products/?id=836


7) Attach the turbo manifold (header) to the engine and then to the turbo. If the turbo comes with a proper manual, check the torque setting for bolting up.

8) The next step involves attaching the oil line to and from the turbo.

9) Look for the oil pressure gauge sensor. Check your Car Repair Manual for this.

Use a T connection to supply the oil to the turbo and also to the pressure gauge sensor. To the turbo, use a steel braided line.

The out line or the (return line) coming from the turbo would flow through a braided steel line to the sump. You will have to drill a hole in the sump and use a connection so that it will connect to the braided line. The sump connection has to be braced.

10) Once finish, the next step is to connect the turbo exhaust outlet to the exhaust.

The pipe coming from the turbo exhaust outlet will most probably not line up with the original exhaust piping. To connect both exhaust a nice curve pipe through an exhaust flex housing to the pipe carrying your exhaust.

11) Next step involves running the pressurize air carrying pipes from the turbo to the intake manifold on the engine.

You will need a flex pipe to measure angles and lengths to custom cut your pipes.

If you have an eye for angles and lengths, you will need some angular pipes and a hand for welding.

Attach the piping to the turbo, intercooler (installed in the bumper) and intake manifold using silicon sleeves. Where the silicon sleeves goes over the pipe, should be mark for abrasion. This will stop the sleeves from sliding of.

12) Pick a nice location for your BOV and install it there. Again, it will have to be braced.

13) From off that same tubular pipe, you also need an outlet to take your boost reading off. This is where you attach you Boost gauge sensor.

This can be near where you install the BOV.

14) On the compressor side of the turbo, you will see a very small outlet. Also, on the wastegate controller (a big bulb carrying a lever), you will see a similar configuration. Attached a piece of pressure hose joining both the outlet and the inlet.


Check over

Check to make sure that your fluids are up. E.g., oil, brake, coolant

Check and make sure that the oil lines run to and from the turbo have good connection and torque properly.

Make sure the oil return line to the sump is connected properly and brace in to the sump.

Make sure that the oil line coming from the Oil pressure sensor is fitted and connected well.

Make sure that the turbo manifold is bolted and mate properly to the engine and turbo.

Also check the hose running from the compressor housing to the wastegate controller.

Make sure that the BOV is installed correctly and the boost gauge sensor hose is connected.



Time to start

In this section, we are only going to start the car to test the installation. So no revving or moving the vehicle

1. Reset your timing back to 0 degrees.

2. If you like, remove the intake pipe to the intake manifold.

3. Start the car. Listens to how it idles. It should idle normal.

4. Check for oil leaks around the t connection where the oil pressure sensor is, around the turbo and also the sump.

5. Rev the engine over 1K rpm but less than 4K rpm.

Check for any oil leaks

6. Allow the engine to idle and run periodically. Keep on checking oil leak and exhaust leaks. You should not have any black marks around the turbo manifold and exhaust housing.

7. If you feel very confident that everything is good, it is time to more on to the testing the turbo charger. Turn the car OFF

In you first tuning, you should have a good idea on how your engine performs when rev. You will be looking to see how fast it revs and lean and rich spots in the the rpm range.

8. Connect the turbo intake pipe back on to the intake manifold.

9. Start the car with your eye on the boost controller. It should read just above 0psi or 1. It is fairly had to say what it will read due to the side of your turbo and engine configurations. Eg, 7AFE, 5SFE, 3SGE

10. Check for any leakage in the intake pipe of the pipes running from the turbo compressor outlet to the intake manifold.

11. Listen to the car. It should sound slightly different. It should sound a little heavier and the exhaust should sound like it is blowing more air.

12. Good. Rev the car slowly to 2K rpm and check your gauges, especially the boost.

As mention above, you do not want the boost to go over 8psi or have big low spikes over 8psi

13. Check again for any oil leakage

14. Rev the car to 3500 rpm slowly. You should be near or getting very close to the point where the turbo is now starting to spool up efficiently.

15. Check you boost gauge, oil connections and turbo pressurize piping from the turbo to the intake manifold.

16. Also, keep your eye on the A/F meter. For safety, the meter should be in the rich range.

17. Rev the car from idle to 4000rpm and back of. Note the gauges. If would be nice here to have some replay gauges like from Greddy HKS or Blitz.

18. Rev a couple of times repeatedly to see how the A/F and Boost are behaving. Remember, you want less than 8psi.

19. Here is what you were waiting on. Be careful at this point. I would advice here, if I have started it before, new engine oil and oil level reading at high.

20. Rev the engine slowly to the ¼ of the redline.

21. Note A/f & boost gauge. Adjust the BOV to relieve the pressure building up in the intake pipes. You do not want to relieve all of the pressure.

22. From idle again, rev to ½ of the redline. Repeat list 21.

23. Rev to ¾ of the redline. Repeat list 21.

24. Rev to full rpm limit. Repeat list 21.

25. Check for oil leakage and intake air leakage.

26. Check engine temperatures or all temperatures.

27. If you are running a little lean, adjust you fuel pressure regulator. To have the car running slightly rich at high rpm, since this maybe where you would be from now.

28. If you find that the boost is too high or to low, you will have to buy a manual boost controller. Greddy, APEXI are a few examples.

29. Test drive the car. Try not to abuse the engine and turbo. Take your time.

30. After a couple of hours of testing, you can advance the timing by 2 degree. Check for pinging. In you checks, you will be driving the car.

31. If emissions are a problem balance the timing and the fuel to the engine.

32. Increase the timing by 2 degrees each time after verifying no pining under hard acceleration in all gears.

33. If pining does occur, try the increasing the Fuel pressure using the adjustable fuel regulator.


34. Continue to monitor your gauges and oil level frequently.

Best of luck to everyone.



This post has been edited by west_minist: Feb 1, 2003 - 10:44 PM


West_MinistHydra EMS Dealer & TunerSubaru ECUFlash Tunerhttp://www.socob.bbhttp://xtremeracingtuning.comViciously Tuned, Driven Hard
How do you find it?

What would you like to see from what you have just read?

Do you think I need to go in more pre-turbocharging section?

This post has been edited by west_minist: Jan 21, 2003 - 10:56 AM

The cost of turbocharging a NA celica is so much, is it not worth is to innvest a bit more to buy a GT4???

1996 UK white ST2051998 UK silver ST202Nothing is fool-proof to a sufficiently talented fool!!!
--Aus+Jan 21 2003, 11:59 AM
QUOTE (Aus @ Jan 21 2003, 11:59 AM)
The cost of turbocharging a NA celica is so much, is it not worth is to innvest a bit more to buy a GT4???

No. It can be cheap.

But I find most of the time cheapnest end up making replace parts that could have been avoided.

This post was made to any car owner owning an engine.

In you case, you have 3SGE rate 170HP+. Everyone else have less than 165HP. So you are way in a better position than them with engine and also engine head. You head is a Performance head (G), while everyone else have a Economy head (F) and except GTFOURS since there carries the G in 3SGTE.
How cum you have this in USA??

1996 UK white ST2051998 UK silver ST202Nothing is fool-proof to a sufficiently talented fool!!!
--Aus+Jan 21 2003, 12:10 PM
QUOTE (Aus @ Jan 21 2003, 12:10 PM)
How cum you have this in USA??

Have what?

I am in the Caribbean.

US never gets any good Japanese imports except for the New 2004 Subaru WRX! >frown.gif>
i meant less power, sorry i thought u were from us!

didn't look at ur location!

This post has been edited by Aus: Jan 21, 2003 - 11:30 AM


1996 UK white ST2051998 UK silver ST202Nothing is fool-proof to a sufficiently talented fool!!!
I do not know. That seems to be pretty normal for the USA.

I do not know if the Japs will show up US models.

It has been so for a very long time.
As I continue to finished up this write up, does any one find the the big post up top helpful?
I personally found it very helpful.
Keep it up. Thanks.

BTW: US models are more restricted because of the emission laws.