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clutch(?)

what sort are you going for heavy duty, sports clutch? i dont really know what you guys have available to you in the US but. toyota, TRD & EXEDY

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Ever buy steel from a steel yard? Its coated in oil to prevent oxidation (rust) because it is difficult for moisture in the air to penetrate it. So to answer your question no it will not cause any damage to internals. Dr. tweaks engine must have had water get inside the valve cover to cause the rust.

alright guys thanks for the answers, appreciate it

That's weird.. S54-06D is Helical? Would that mean our 1996 SS-III is helical or not?




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hold up a sec. I think you have your information mixed up a bit. Rusty ???

if you look at the pic that njccmd2002 from the beams clip they sold (which i believe he just bought today). that came from an ss-II which is believable because ss-II and ss-III both came with beams engines. 06A is viscious and 06D is helical.



This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Nov 11, 2013 - 9:35 PM

I agree with you that the info just doesn't add up.
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showto...mode=linearplus

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which I agreed didn't look right so I added... THIS INFO MAYBE FALSE WILL LOOK INTO IT

I agree the BEAMS SS-III ST202 has an LSD (Helica)
but as for the BEAMS SS-II ST202, sorry I cant find any TRUE info anywhere to back it up, to say it has an LSD (even though I said 'yes' I was going off that false info)
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(so if thats a SS-II with a BEAMS engine)


(mine a SS-II with 3gen 3S-GE engine)
the only differences between the 2 are: the frame number, colour and trim. sorry if you cant read it its night time here and my camera wont focus
anyway it says for the gearbox.... S54 - 06A

so according to that info from that 'quoted info' and your BEAMS website the BEAMS SS-II has a Helica LSD, no difference between mine(non BEAMS) and the SS-II BEAMS gearbox.. so what does that mean? the SS-II/ BEAMS SS-II doesn't have a Helica LSD so then maybe a viscous?

now I dont know how true this site is btw
1996 SS-II > http://www.cars-directory.net/specs/toyota...ca/1996_6/5740/ (says no LSD)
1999 SS-II BEAMS . http://www.cars-directory.net/specs/toyota...ca/1999_1/5722/ (says no LSD)

so.... WTF!!!????? im also now confused

maybe we need to break down the gearbox code (what each digit means)
S54-06A <<< found in a SS-II
S54-06D <<< found in a SS-III

also S54-02A <<< found in a USDM GT

since we know the USDM never had LSD so maybe something to do with the -06 so what about the A or the D ?



also what about the SS-III both SS-III and SS-III BEAMS have LSD but do they both have the same LSD? Helica/Viscous

This post has been edited by Rusty: Jul 17, 2009 - 2:22 AM

Well all beams motors should have helical lsd no matter wat. Beams motors was put into ss-II and ss-III.

so Beams motor that came in ss-II celica don't have lsd but do have twin piston calipers and mcpherson suspension

beams motor that came in ss-III celica have helical lsd, twin piston calipers and superstrut suspension

This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Nov 11, 2013 - 9:49 PM

lol good question, properly the same simularites as pre beams SS-II & SS-III (examples... superstrut, rear strutbrace, +10KG's, SS-III's LSD)...........but if the BEAMS SS-II has a helical LSD why has it still got the same code?

its really confusing is'nt it?


so njccmd2002 waiting on the BIG news if any?

hey so If you buy a front clip. Does that mean you can do the rhd conversion as well??

hey Rusty. i think you were right beams clip came with tranny code s54-06D. like here shown on ebay, they are selling a motor with the plate info

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JDM-TOYOTA-...sQ5fAccessories

thanks glad to be some help


hmm nice clip/engine & price, low km aswell, is that you? YES!! (i'd double check you get the gauge cluster or at least the rpm guage, as it just says engine harness (its used for VVTi) or else thats more money spent (FYI RPM garage usually have a few BEAMS guages)

its definitely a SS-III (last codes, remember ZF for SS-III. VF for SS-II) and S54-06D so you'll have a Helica LSD


yea still up in the air is whether the SS-II (gearbox code S54-06A) has a LSD(and if it does which type) and whether it changed between BEAMS and Pre-BEAMS

**the S54-06A is different to the S54-02A in GT's (I think)


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would be alot of work why would you want RHD? dont you drive on the rightside of the road over there?

anyone know what parts are available for this engine in the US? especially basic things like spark plugs, air filter, oil filter, fuel filter, belts etc.

This post has been edited by erahman85: Jul 25, 2009 - 8:34 PM

ya i know it was just an idea. my friend got me hyped up on it.. oh well, and yes we drive on the right side of the road so maybe it wouldnt be a good idea, i would be attracting the police

yo erahman. do some research plz. this engine is not available in the usa. jap only. if your really interested in know about this engine check these links out.
finding oem parts for this isnt too bad. you have to find a toyota dealer that knows how to get parts directly from japan....

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=61995

http://www.beams-redtop.com/redhome.htm

true, any chance moving the date foward for your beams swap? oh yea, did you find out whether that ebay one came with the guage cluster?

^wow! that first link is really good, has lots of info

nope, it was not me the one who bought it, i just moved, so not rigt now. in the next 2 -3 months maybe, if i can convince the wifey

oh and he jumped the price of the clip 400

damn then who the hell bought it. well who ever it was hopefully they better be a 6gc member so they can show us their nice looking beams.

ya since the one that has 36,000 miles was sold, he decided to raise the one that used to be 1450 to 1850. thats still cheap for a clip.

i might buy this from keith, i have the money.

but seriously, what else would i need to buy?
probably exhaust and clutch? what else?

umm with an engine that only has 39,000 miles on it. thats nothing. the engine clip comes with everything you need. hey werent you supposed to sell your car or something. Just got to do the tune up your self. So that you know everything is running at its best for a while and you wont have to worry about anything after.


This post has been edited by BonzaiCelica: Jul 27, 2009 - 1:05 AM

apologies for bumping an older thread-

I have recently come across a BEAMS & S54 for sale and it has a chassis tag. Both ZF (SSIII) and 06D appear on the tag. However, under visual inspection through the axle hole in the trans, there is a bar. This is usual indicative of an open diff.

Thoughts?

do you have a link, a BEAMS 3S-GE SS-III (ST202- BLMZF) with a S54-06D will have an LSD

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You are correct. If there is a bar its open and if its closed it has LSD. When I compared my stock s54 from the GT with the LSD one that was the case. I have been looking for a second beams with one and the importers I have been speaking with said they are not as common.

I was pretty sure that if there was a bar that it was LSD. Also I was pretty sure that all BEAMS engines came with LSD?

Thanks for the quick replies.

From what I understood.. the bar was a clear indication of an open diff. However, I now have two importers telling me that isn't the case with this trans/diff / lsd type.

I do know that all SS-III w/ BEAMS are supposed to be LSD.


Thoughts?

Yes I remember from a previous thread that 1. all BEAMS came with an LSD either viscus or torsen/helical (I don't remember which) and 2. that the bar meant it has LSD

Someone please clarify.

Here's what I can find with toyodiy.com when comparing US and JDM models 1997 YEAR MODEL.

(SSIII) ST202-BLMZF:

41311 CASE, FRONT DIFFERENTIAL
41301-20190 ST202..MTM..SS3; ｱﾘ(L.S.D) 1
41301-20230 ST202..MTM..SS3; ｱﾘ(L.S.D) 1 $1,766.16
41301-32060 ST202, 203..MTM

(SSII) ST202-BLMVF:

41311 CASE, FRONT DIFFERENTIAL
41301-32060 ST202, 203..MTM 1 $512.72
41301-32060 ST202..MTM..(SS1, SS2) 1 $512.72
41301-32061 ST202..MTM..(SS1, SS2)


This is the part number for USDM Celica GT manual:

41311 CASE, FRONT DIFFERENTIAL
41301-32060 ST204..MTM

Which matches the same part number for SSI and SSII without LSD.

Acording to toyo DIY.com
FACT:
Part numbers for diff never changed all the way to 1999

FACT:
3SGE was available for SSII and SSIII
3SFE was only available for SSI

Intake manifolds for both SSII and SSIII appear to be the same and both pictures look like the BEAMS manifold but there are two options

17111 MANIFOLD, INTAKE
17101-88460 3SGE..ST202 1 $731.61
17111-88560 3SGE..ST202

So I want to say that SSII and SSIII in 1999 all had BEAMS

I have to go but I don't know if any of this stuff is usefull

This post has been edited by erahman85: Nov 9, 2009 - 7:33 PM

Here's another one to throw you all off.

This is from my old SS-I (1st Celica) which I was pretty sure that it had either longer gear ratios or a longer final drive (based on rev/speeds compared to the pre-beams SS-III I had)



So Now we have

USDM GT - S54 -02A
JDM SS-I S54 -04A
JDM SS-II S54 -06A (Now confirmed to be the same code in 1996 Gen3 3S-GE -and- 1998 Beams 3S-GE models)
JDM SS-III S54 -06D (Also now confirmed to be the same code in 1996 Gen3 3S-GE -and- 1998 Beams 3S-GE models) + We know for a fact that all SS-III has atleast some sort of LSD standard, what type it is and if it relates to the trans/axel code or the year is still unknown

And Just to throw you off even more, the GT-Four does NOT have a front LSD - It has a viscous central coupling and a TORSEN rear diff.

JDM GT-Four E154F -08B

where can i find the type of tranny in the tranny, is there a stamp

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now remember ages ago, this is what I was getting confused with
well we know the USDM never had an LSD and neither did the SS-I, its when the JDM celicas went through mid & late updates that confuses us since the codes never changed I agree with delusionz "We know for a fact that all SS-III has atleast some sort of LSD standard, what type it is and if it relates to the trans/axel code or the year is still unknown"

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here's the ratio for the E56 if people are interested.
R -3.583
1 3.538
2 2.045
3 1.333
4 1.028
5 0.820
Final Drive 3.944

This post has been edited by Rusty: Nov 9, 2009 - 9:21 PM

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OT: (but possibly interesting)

While the GT-Four did not have a factory front LSD option, TRD units were available and were quite expensive due to the size of the housing. My friend purchased the last two in existence a few years back for a pro Rally team. Years ago they were $3000+.. the last few sold for quite a pretty penny.

(I own several Celica including GT-Four , ST185 x 2 and ST185 RC)

BTW, rear Torsen was NOT std equipment on all GT-Four. ST185RC - > ST205 did however. Earlier models were optional. Early ST165 didn't even have Viscous centers..




Great info in this thread - keep it coming!

hmm. Thats a lot of information to digest. Then how to determine between helical vs viscous?? I know for a fact that the S54 that came with my engine has an LSD based on some testing and observations. Based on the bar in the stock S54 and being able to see all the way through the case and no bar in the Beams tranny I got. I made the sin of assuming that all of the LSD transmissions would be the same by design. Take a look at the below Toyota transmission with LSD from a 20v 4age. With exception to the splines thats how my tranny looked with the LSD. I just took my stock GT transmission down in the woods but I might have time tomorrow to run down there and get some pics.



Here is the actual posting. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAP...RK%3AMEWAX%3AIT

This post has been edited by turnip: Nov 9, 2009 - 9:54 PM

So your BEAMS has no bar in the S54? But, you believe it has LSD.. wow.. perhaps you are lucky and have gotten a TRD (Cusco) Clutch Type (mech./ salisbury) LSD. BONUS!


I know for a fact, that clutch type LSD don't have a bar.. I just picked on up for the ZZT-231. The open diff on the C64 (Celica GT-S trans) has a bar.


This must have something to do with the type of LSD.



Let's keep this going!

This post has been edited by illtuned: Nov 9, 2009 - 9:53 PM