Heindrik

#1

Hi

I recently found this forum, and have the impression of a great & helpfull community.

I have had my Celica for 2 years now, I have just ordered Raiser blocks and JDM tail lights from Vincent_Doggy (as far as i recall).

When i had to fill out my Car details. There was all kinds of types. I choose the GT for now, I will specify my Celica here and see which one it is.

1994 Celica GT
3SGE 175 hp / 190 Nm Engine
Super strut suspension.
I bought it used.

It had the OEM sideskirts. and also something on the front, i am not entirely sure about what they are for, But i was planning on painting them.

Pic:

http://vaks2.shackspace.com/What%20are%20these%20exactly.dib

As said. Im planning on painting them silver.

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SwissFerdi

#2

I'm going to say SS-II or SS-III, although I believe that the SS-II might never have gotten the Superstrut suspension. And those things at the front are Euro splitters, they're pretty sought-after.

Check the firewall though, the code is stamped there. Should be ST202 or ST204.

This post has been edited by SwissFerdi: Mar 30, 2010 - 5:31 PM

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Tom_SS2

#3

looks like an SS-II to me, i don't think the SS-III was added to the range till 1995,

those little splitters are standard equipment on the UK facelift cars and are common as muck, you can get a pair for as little as £10 Sterling including P+P, i've got a set sat in my garage gathering dust from when i did the TRD front, are they really that sought after state side?

yeah paint them silver, i painted my black to match the car they look much better colour coded

This post has been edited by Tom_SS2: Mar 30, 2010 - 5:42 PM

Tech-Nics

#4

Looks like a SS-II with extra mods like the GT-4 front lower half lip. Plus you have the WRC hood/bonnet spoiler on a preface lift hood as well. I highly doubt you have a SS-III seeing that it's a 94. I don't know about the Super Strut probably was an option.

Heindrik

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QUOTE (Tech-Nics @ Mar 30, 2010 - 6:11 PM)

>Looks like a SS-II with extra mods like the GT-4 front lower half lip. Plus you have the WRC hood/bonnet spoiler on a preface lift hood as well. I highly doubt you have a SS-III seeing that it's a 94. I don't know about the Super Strut probably was an option.

When i called for spare parts at my local toyota. He said it was a super strut. Im not 100% sure, But i drove in to the store and he looked inside at the wheels to check which type it was, And i was told it was the super strut. And the prices raised ALOT because of that lol

Its a German import, I dont know exactly what it was sold with, I think its from late 1994, From what i recall, Its November or december. Any chance it might've gotten anything added because of that?.

I havent managed to find anyone with the front splitters on mine on different pictures. So im not sure its common as muck, I think it might've been an accesory, But im not sure, I just dont know if its supposed to be painted or not, I dont really see why they would make any difference being so black and unoticable. I wish there was someone who had a picture of these painted on their car.

I'll put it as a SS-II. But are there any easy way to see or spot if its Super strut or not?.

This post has been edited by Heindrik: Mar 30, 2010 - 6:39 PM

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Tech-Nics

#6

^^^ In 1995 the SS-III came standard with the Super Strut and aerodynamic rocker panels.

Heindrik

#7

Rocker panels?.

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Tom_SS2

#8

in the UK they are really common and standard on the facelift, a lot of these folk on this webby are American so they didn't have the same options as the Euro and JDM markets

the SS-II had an optional superstrut suspension pack,

check your VIN plate if it says "MODEL E-ST202-BLMVF" then its an SS-II, BLMZF on the end is an SS-III

here's mine with the same splitters painted Astral black to match the car



This post has been edited by Tom_SS2: Mar 30, 2010 - 7:19 PM

Heindrik

#9

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QUOTE (Tom_SS2 @ Mar 30, 2010 - 8:18 PM)

>in the UK they are really common and standard on the facelift, a lot of these folk on this webby are American so they didn't have the same options as the Euro and JDM markets

the SS-II had an optional superstrut suspension pack,

check your VIN plate if it says "MODEL E-ST202-BLMVF" then its an SS-II, BLMZF on the end is an SS-III

here's mine with the same splitters painted Astral black to match the car

Now to be a pain in the ass. But where exactly does this VIN plate sits?

If its a SS III. The super strut is standard?. If SS II its optional?.

Just to have that clarified

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Tech-Nics

#10

^^^ Yes sir, The VIN should be against the firewall stamped on a silver plate under the hood/bonnet.

This post has been edited by Tech-Nics: Mar 30, 2010 - 7:30 PM

Tom_SS2

#11

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QUOTE (Heindrik @ Mar 30, 2010 - 8:28 PM)

>Now to be a pain in the ass. But where exactly does this VIN plate sits?

If its a SS III. The super strut is standard?. If SS II its optional?.

Just to have that clarified

basically yes,

the VIN plate is

delusionz

#12

This one is interesting, if this is the 1994 SS-II with Superstrut Suspension as I think it is, it will be neither E-ST202-BLMVF nor BLMZF.

The SS-II with Superstrut is basically an SS-III before the SS-III was released. If you could take a photo of that VIN plate, it would be good to have the details for reference. You'll also have LSD with this car too

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Tom_SS2

#13

wasn't there a massive thread recently discussing the LSD's and that there is distinct differences between the 2's and 3's and that even though a 2 could have sss it still had the same box code as one without and they just had a basic diff where as the 3 had a different box code including a special diff (exact type still not clarified)

This post has been edited by Tom_SS2: Mar 31, 2010 - 4:53 AM

Heindrik

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QUOTE (delusionz @ Mar 30, 2010 - 9:42 PM)

>This one is interesting, if this is the 1994 SS-II with Superstrut Suspension as I think it is, it will be neither E-ST202-BLMVF nor BLMZF.

The SS-II with Superstrut is basically an SS-III before the SS-III was released. If you could take a photo of that VIN plate, it would be good to have the details for reference. You'll also have LSD with this car too

LSD stands for?

I'll take a picture of the plate, i hope my Sucky phone can take a clear enough picture

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Heindrik

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QUOTE (Tom_SS2 @ Mar 30, 2010 - 7:18 PM)

>in the UK they are really common and standard on the facelift, a lot of these folk on this webby are American so they didn't have the same options as the Euro and JDM markets

the SS-II had an optional superstrut suspension pack,

check your VIN plate if it says "MODEL E-ST202-BLMVF" then its an SS-II, BLMZF on the end is an SS-III

here's mine with the same splitters painted Astral black to match the car

it is a st202 BLMGFW

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Heindrik

#16

EDM - European Domestic Market
(cars produced for European market, UK included)
1.8 ST
produced: 11/93 - 08/99 (LHD), 11/93 - 08/99 (RHD)
model: AT200L-BLMSKW (LHD), AT200R-BLMSKW (RHD)
engine: 7A-FE, 115BHP
more info: all made MTM, liftbacks
2.0 GT
produced: 11/93 - 08/99
>>model: ST202L-BLMGFW (LHD), >>ST202R-BLMGFW (RHD)
engine: 3S-GE, 170BHP
more info: all made MTM, liftbacks
2.0 convertible
produced: 08/94 - 05/99
model: ST202L-BKMGFW (LHD), ST202R-BKMGFW (RHD)
engine: 3S-GE, 170BHP
more info: all made MTM
2.0 GT-four
produced: 02/94 - 06/96
model: ST205L-BLMVZW (LHD), ST205R-BLMVZW (RHD)
engine: 3S-GTE, 235BHP
more info: all made MTM, liftbacks

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Tom_SS2

#17

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QUOTE (Heindrik @ Mar 31, 2010 - 12:00 PM)

>EDM - European Domestic Market
(cars produced for European market, UK included)
1.8 ST
produced: 11/93 - 08/99 (LHD), 11/93 - 08/99 (RHD)
model: AT200L-BLMSKW (LHD), AT200R-BLMSKW (RHD)
engine: 7A-FE, 115BHP
more info: all made MTM, liftbacks
2.0 GT
produced: 11/93 - 08/99
>>model: ST202L-BLMGFW (LHD), >>ST202R-BLMGFW (RHD)
engine: 3S-GE, 170BHP
more info: all made MTM, liftbacks
2.0 convertible
produced: 08/94 - 05/99
model: ST202L-BKMGFW (LHD), ST202R-BKMGFW (RHD)
engine: 3S-GE, 170BHP
more info: all made MTM
2.0 GT-four
produced: 02/94 - 06/96
model: ST205L-BLMVZW (LHD), ST205R-BLMVZW (RHD)
engine: 3S-GTE, 235BHP
more info: all made MTM, liftbacks

so its European car with superstrut suspension? now i am confused, as far as anyone was aware i'm sure only JDM cars ever got superstrut

check the front struts

Heindrik

#18

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QUOTE (Tom_SS2 @ Mar 31, 2010 - 11:25 AM)

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QUOTE (Heindrik @ Mar 31, 2010 - 12:00 PM)

>EDM - European Domestic Market
(cars produced for European market, UK included)
1.8 ST
produced: 11/93 - 08/99 (LHD), 11/93 - 08/99 (RHD)
model: AT200L-BLMSKW (LHD), AT200R-BLMSKW (RHD)
engine: 7A-FE, 115BHP
more info: all made MTM, liftbacks
2.0 GT
produced: 11/93 - 08/99
>>model: ST202L-BLMGFW (LHD), >>ST202R-BLMGFW (RHD)
engine: 3S-GE, 170BHP
more info: all made MTM, liftbacks
2.0 convertible
produced: 08/94 - 05/99
model: ST202L-BKMGFW (LHD), ST202R-BKMGFW (RHD)
engine: 3S-GE, 170BHP
more info: all made MTM
2.0 GT-four
produced: 02/94 - 06/96
model: ST205L-BLMVZW (LHD), ST205R-BLMVZW (RHD)
engine: 3S-GTE, 235BHP
more info: all made MTM, liftbacks

so its European car with superstrut suspension? now i am confused, as far as anyone was aware i'm sure only JDM cars ever got superstrut

check the front struts

Its not the regular Suspension, Its either mac pherson or super strut, I been at my Local toyota for around half or 1 year ago to ask on some spareparts because it was sayin some knocking sounds front left, And he looked behind the wheels and said it was not the regular suspension.

is there 3 different suspensions. That is from what i understand.

I think super strut was optional, Its a german import, and it has the G Higher grade (general), package, it has AC / leather seat wheel gear knop / OEM side skirts / WRC hood spoiler and brake disc front / rear (is this on the little version)?

The question is if Super strut was a part of this package.

I can't look behind my wheels. So i can't see it really. But i dident try and turn the wheel all i could to one of the sides, I guess i can see it if i do that. I hope im experienced enough too regonize which one it is lol

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Heindrik

#19

It looks like a super strut from what i can see.

Does the Mac pherson one look alike? its really hard to see when i dont know much about these things

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Tom_SS2

#20

there are only 2 types of factory suspension on the ole' Celi, superstrut suspension (SSS) or McPherson (unless you are counting sumat like a complete set of TRD coilies as a third set),

its the bit at the bottom of the strut which is the difference between the 2 types, the regular McPherson has a 1 normal wish bone where as the SSS has control arms that change the camber of the wheel during cornering, the one in the pic is SSS, the shockers and springs despite being different parts work the same way, the SSS is only on the front suspension

Rusty

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>1994 Celica
3SGE 175 hp / 190 Nm Engine
Super strut suspension.

ST202L BLMGFW

hmm I find this very interesting

so confirming thats the correct chassis code in your celica its a EDM (European Domestic Market) - since no JDM celicas came out LHD (they had E-ST202-BL### without the L or R following ST202)

now the fact you have superstrut interests me, from my understanding on celica club uk, their are a few people with superstrut (Though I cant confirm there domestic market)

If you could check the VIN plate on the firewall again





and see where it says trans/axle I'm interested to find out what yours says.

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Heindrik

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QUOTE (Rusty @ Apr 1, 2010 - 1:35 AM)

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>1994 Celica
3SGE 175 hp / 190 Nm Engine
Super strut suspension.

ST202L BLMGFW

hmm I find this very interesting

so confirming thats the correct chassis code in your celica its a EDM (European Domestic Market) - since no JDM celicas came out LHD (they had E-ST202-BL### without the L or R following ST202)

now the fact you have superstrut interests me, from my understanding on celica club uk, their are a few people with superstrut (Though I cant confirm there domestic market)

If you could check the VIN plate on the firewall again





and see where it says trans/axle I'm interested to find out what yours says.

I will go look in a moment

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Heindrik

#23

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QUOTE (Rusty @ Apr 1, 2010 - 1:35 AM)

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QUOTE

>1994 Celica
3SGE 175 hp / 190 Nm Engine
Super strut suspension.

ST202L BLMGFW

hmm I find this very interesting

so confirming thats the correct chassis code in your celica its a EDM (European Domestic Market) - since no JDM celicas came out LHD (they had E-ST202-BL### without the L or R following ST202)

now the fact you have superstrut interests me, from my understanding on celica club uk, their are a few people with superstrut (Though I cant confirm there domestic market)

If you could check the VIN plate on the firewall again





and see where it says trans/axle I'm interested to find out what yours says.

Its a complete different VIN plate

I only got a older Cell phone, It can't take a clear picture :S.

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Heindrik

#24

Im pretty sure i can see a "arm" if i turn the wheel all i can. I'll try and turn it to the other side today and look if there is a arm there too, If such, It has to be a super strut

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SwissFerdi

#25

Why not make it easy on yourself and take a front wheel off to take a picture for us?

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Heindrik

#26

Because i live in an apartment hehe. and i dont have the tools here .

But yea that would be so much easier

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Rusty

#27

ahh lol I made a mistake I used a Japanese plate

how about this one?

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Heindrik

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QUOTE (Rusty @ Apr 1, 2010 - 6:10 PM)

>ahh lol I made a mistake I used a Japanese plate

how about this one?

The picture dont work it seems

This post has been edited by Heindrik: Apr 1, 2010 - 7:46 PM

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Tom_SS2

#29

i take it your chassis plate looks more like this one?



i would take a wheel off due to the fact that everyone thought that superstrut suspension was not sold out side of Japan (not to say it couldn't have been swapped by a previous owner) but if your model number is correct that would make your car a European GT and not an SS-II

This post has been edited by Tom_SS2: Apr 2, 2010 - 6:13 PM

Heindrik

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QUOTE (Tom_SS2 @ Apr 2, 2010 - 12:39 PM)

>i take it your chassis plate looks more like this one?


i would take a wheel off due to the fact that everyone thought that superstrut suspension was not sold out side of Japan (not to say it couldn't have been swapped by a previous owner) but if your model number is correct that would make your car a European GT and not an SS-II

I think it was optionable. But i agree, I'll have to wait and see next time i can get a wheel off.

Yes its a European model.

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