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Topic #73105 297 posts Started by presure2
Awesome Manny, I am glad Joey received everything ok. I wish I could have personally brought this one up like I did yours and hung out for weekend, but it just didnt pan out for me. GL on with the swap, and if there is anything you need feel free to call.

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thats not for brenttons dads car is it???? that would be dopeeee! lol

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QUOTE (Ted95 @ Jun 22, 2010 - 10:22 PM) *
>thats not for brenttons dads car is it???? that would be dopeeee! lol


lol i wish this was going into my dads car haha but no realy i think im going to order one for his mr2 once i sell my civic, manny isnt that the one your doing for some kid in the city?????

This post has been edited by Panswed: Jun 22, 2010 - 11:59 PM
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QUOTE (Ted95 @ Jun 22, 2010 - 10:22 PM) *
>thats not for brenttons dads car is it???? that would be dopeeee! lol


lol i wish this was going into my dads car haha but no realy i think im going to order one for his mr2 once i sell my civic, manny isnt that the one your doing for some kid in the city?????


brentton? lol i didnt even kno u were on the site. but ya that get rid of the civic and swap the celi

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QUOTE (KAOS @ Jun 22, 2010 - 3:08 PM) *
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QUOTE (mak5603 @ Jun 22, 2010 - 12:14 PM) *
>Great Thread!!! I am actually doing the same exact thing this summer. Got a down payment on a 3rd gen 3S, getting it shipped when i get back from vacation. Also running the S54 tranny! Thank you for all the wonderful pictures and info! At first I was a bit worried the way the 3S would daily drive with the S54 but now I'm worry free. smile.gif



I wouldn't say worry free... Manny's done a bit of work on his version of the S54.
You plan on upgrading the clutch at least, right?


yeah dude...

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QUOTE (presure2 @ Jun 13, 2010 - 7:52 AM) *
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QUOTE (MGCustoms325 @ Jun 13, 2010 - 1:07 AM) *
>Congrats man. Funny how something so small can cause such a big issue. Glad you guys figured it out. ENJOY!

yup, we went thru EVERYTHING before i checked the simplest thing. we even removed the fuel rail and swapped injectors..lol

a few more pics from yesterday.

tranny painted:



the comp clutch from dr tweak i got last year, looks pretty much like it did when i pulled it a few months after the install of the last revision of the 5sfte.



putting the motor in. normally we connect the tranny and install it together, but i didnt want to scratch the bay up after just painting it, so we installed them seperately.



the boot installed onto the firewall:



and now, the basics of the wiring that is required.

first is the interior plugs.

this black wire on the white plug:





is for the clutch start switch. we need to put it to pin 17 on this grey plug:



you can see the #'s for the pins on the back of the plug (sorry for the upsidedown pic, i forgot to edit it)



so i added a pin from one of the 5s harness plugs:



and soldered the connection:



and thats it on the interior.

next up is the EA1 plug in the engine bay.

this pic is the bodyharness side of the gt-4 EA1. the 3 wires on each end are extra wires that need to be used with the swap, along with a couple on the top.

with my 94, the connector for my EA1 bodyharness side was blocked off solid where those wires go, which was diffrent from jims swap. jims 95 had little rubber plugs in them that were able to easily be removed to add pins if needed.

so, we just removed the wires from the 5s bodyharness EA1, and transfered those over to the gt-4 one.
a pic pointing to the 3 wires from each side:





in this pic, the gt-4 plug is on top, the 5s one on the bottom.
basicly, it was as easy as removing the pins one at a time from the 5s one, and installing it into the 3s one.
easy peasy.


and a pic of the pin tool i used to remove the pins in action.



a medium saftey pin also works well.

once thats done, there are 3 wires left over, 2 need power sources, and a white with black stripe gets ground.
thats all there is to it!
lots more pics and vids later. unfortunately, its supossed to rain all day, so the vids will prolly be on the lame side for now..lol


getting a clip makes things SOOO much more easier.. I'm really thinking about doing the swap again in the future

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QUOTE (Panswed @ Jun 23, 2010 - 12:56 AM) *
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QUOTE (Ted95 @ Jun 22, 2010 - 10:22 PM) *
>thats not for brenttons dads car is it???? that would be dopeeee! lol


lol i wish this was going into my dads car haha but no realy i think im going to order one for his mr2 once i sell my civic, manny isnt that the one your doing for some kid in the city?????

he's not from FR, but yea.

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QUOTE (presure2 @ Jun 23, 2010 - 6:54 PM) *
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QUOTE (Panswed @ Jun 23, 2010 - 12:56 AM) *
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QUOTE (Ted95 @ Jun 22, 2010 - 10:22 PM) *
>thats not for brenttons dads car is it???? that would be dopeeee! lol


lol i wish this was going into my dads car haha but no realy i think im going to order one for his mr2 once i sell my civic, manny isnt that the one your doing for some kid in the city?????

he's not from FR, but yea.


is it going to be harder tryin to swap that in a mr2? well... u have a blue-print there in front of u kinda too with the clip lol

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this thread is full of WIN !!!! you guys are doing it right up there thumbsup.gif

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WTB an update. photoshoot? anything

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QUOTE (devilsden97 @ Jul 1, 2010 - 4:23 PM) *
>WTB an update. photoshoot? anything

sorry migga, been busy working on other projects, and havent had time to work on our car.
jenns been driving it daily, no issues, its an absolute dream to drive.
over the next few weeks i've got to repair and repaint the rear bumper, paint the wing posts and clear the wing, install that, reinstall the splitters, and finish up the engine bay, then we'll be ready for a real "shoot". smile.gif

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QUOTE (presure2 @ May 23, 2010 - 10:43 AM) *
>finished the harness this AM.
here are some pics.









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When I got to these pictures I got a huge smile on my face, It reminded me of a conversation we had about 5 years ago about making a fog light harness. You proved once again if you just take the time and research you can do anything, anyone else can do ...
I'm going to have to take a trip up there soon and visit with you guys ..

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lmao, mac, yea, i remember that very conversation!
for those that dont know what macs talking about...5+ years ago, when i installed the gt-4 front end, i talked to mac about how to wire in the fog lights, cause i really had no idea on what to do.
mac said "its easy, man, just take your time, research, and use this little diagram ill make for you"
i did, and it worked like a charm.
just a matter of learning. thumbsup.gif

definetly lookin forward to seein ya mac!

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I think I might still have that diagram on my old laptop... you have to love paint for making crude looking diagrams ....

after HIN I will be working crazy overtime... so I'll should have a few brake days added up ..

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wait, i just used the factory fogs on mine. are you talking about if you didnt come with fogs?

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QUOTE (Smaay @ Jul 11, 2010 - 7:28 PM) *
>wait, i just used the factory fogs on mine. are you talking about if you didnt come with fogs?

yes. the 94-95s didnt all come prewired for the fogs, i wired in my own relay and switch since i didnt have the stalk with the fog switch built in.

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Speaking of that, Anybody figure out how to make the foglights stay on with the highbeam? My '96 Vert has the fogs wired in, I hate when I flick on the hi-beam and the fogs cut off, I also want the fogs to be able to turn on with the park lights on and low beam off....Everybody keeps telling me to just run a plain old switch which would be easy for me I know...but Im trying to keep the OEM look+function.

BTW sorry to thread jack smile.gif
Absolutely amazing Manny. I go away for a few months and come back to all of this? You know if you EC guys don't slow down every single Celica on this site will be 3S-GTE or 5S-FTE/7A-FTE laugh.gif
I give you mad props for going so far in the attention for detail tho, son!


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QUOTE (DEATH @ Jul 30, 2010 - 4:12 PM) *
>Absolutely amazing Manny. I go away for a few months and come back to all of this? You know if you EC guys don't slow down every single Celica on this site will be 3S-GTE or 5S-FTE/7A-FTE laugh.gif
I give you mad props for going so far in the attention for detail tho, son!


Black0nBlack94 - I don't wanna jack this thread so if you want an answer to the foglight question hit me up with a PM [Mine are wired as you describe]

thanks, D.
so far, i couldnt be happier!

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How big of a difference is the 3s compared to a turbo 5s ? Doesn't it cost about the same ? I'm asking bc since I have steady funds coming I'm now and I have a rebuilt 5s I'm looking to turbo it.

P.S. I'm not trying to get your thread O/T if you like I can PM and talk like that. Your just one of the masters of the 5s lol.
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QUOTE (JuMPiiN @ Aug 1, 2010 - 4:41 AM) *
>How big of a difference is the 3s compared to a turbo 5s ? Doesn't it cost about the same ? I'm asking bc since I have steady funds coming I'm now and I have a rebuilt 5s I'm looking to turbo it.

P.S. I'm not trying to get your thread O/T if you like I can PM and talk like that. Your just one of the masters of the 5s lol.

you can turbo for cheaper than a swap, but dont expect it to perform like a swapped car.
a properly built 5sfte can last a LONG time (i beat the piss outta mine for almost 5 years), and is lots of fun, but it takes more than just throwing parts on the 5s, and mashing the pedal down.
like any factory non turbo car, its all in the tuning, and it just plain costs money to do that right, there really isnt a way around it.
people may try to tell you diffrent, but unless your capable of tuning a full standalone from the ground up, (or have the money and know the right people to tune it for you) a 5sfte will always have little hiccups and burps in the tuning, and just makes the car a bit more "notchy" and moody.
now, thats not saying that the 5s isnt great in turbo form, cause it definetly is a blast to drive, it just takes some getting used to, and you learn to suit your driving style to the setup.

powerwise, in the long run the 3s always pulls away. twoards the end of the 5sfte run, the car was a total beast, and was definetly right there with the 3s, but the way the power is delievered between the 2 setups is quite diffrent.
since the 5s is not a performance oriented motor, it dont really like to rev high, and turboed, builds all its power down low. it gives you a real push back into the seat, and feels like a monster when the turbo hits.
as you get closer and closer to redline, the car dont really feel like it gets much faster. (although the cams definetly helped with that)
the 3s on the other hand, the power delivery is much more linear, it feels like it keeps getting faster as the revs build. merging onto the highway in 3rd gear is amazing with the 3rd gen, it just pulls so hard all the way to 7k rpm.
if you can save money, do it, and buy a 3rd gen setup, you wont be dissapointed.
if your on a tight budget, and want to build your own setup, the 5sfte is a very viable option IMO.



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Apreciate that long and very informative response. It sounds to me like there both winners lol. I'm just not sure which I would want. I guess that's up to me. Again thank you for the detailed response. I think I'm just going to save and save until I have the money to choose which one I want. Again thanks for te very detailed response.
ok so we've been driving the car ~3 months or so, no real updates, everything has been smooth as butter with the car.
i did manage to spend a couple hrs in the garage on thursday, so i made a new 3" intake for the car.







ill clean up the welds, and have it powdercoated next week sometime.

compared to the 5sfte intake from back in the day, this one looks very boring..lol ill have to figure somthing out to spice it up abit, maybe a painted on TRD logo or somthing...any ideas?

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Sure red is nice for a valve cover, and chrome is nice for ic piping like every other modifier. But if it was me ill be doing this




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yea, the color its going to be powdercoated is very similar to the color of the TRD strut bar.

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they sell the trd stickers in any color, i painted mine red with white trd logo.



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QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Sep 25, 2010 - 11:04 PM) *
>they sell the trd stickers in any color, i painted mine red with white trd logo.



yea, i could do stickers, but i like the idea of painting it if i do go that route.

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Hey, that engine is in my Celica now. ha. anyways maybe get the intake done in black, and then with the Red White and Black TRD emblem painted on, kinda like the emblem thats on the TRD oil cap. I think thats the one im thinking of.
yea, i've decided to have the intake coated a charcoal color, similar to the TRD bar, im still not 100% on what to do with it after that tho..lol

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