Smaay

#1

I finished Erynn's car last night. havent had a chance to drive it yet. Ill take pictures tonight when i get it home. but it basically looks exactly like mine but a 7A-FE instead of the 5S-FE.

So here is the big question. how much demand is there for a turbo kit? I can re-produce this kit fairly easy. kit will include manifold with lifetime warrenty, Garrett turbo, intercooler, polished aluminium piping, BOV, FMU for fuel, and all fittings and lines for oil. the only thing that the end user will have to do is drop the small oil pan and have the bung welded into it.













This post has been edited by Smaay: Aug 27, 2010 - 8:46 AM

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SwissFerdi

#2

Well, I think demand will depend on price. I for one am still interested in doing a 7A-FTE setup, pending that I find all the parts at a reasonable price to make the expense worthwhile versus an engine swap.

So, in other words, sell a good kit and I'll buy it.

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Smaay

#3

price i was thinking was going to be in the 2500 range. Yes i know you can get a 3S-GTE for that price, but you still have to so all the fab work to install it. But it takes exactly 24 hours to build the kit, so for labor and parts, thats very resonable

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RvA944

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QUOTE (SwissFerdi @ Jun 24, 2010 - 11:29 AM)

>Well, I think demand will depend on price. I for one am still interested in doing a 7A-FTE setup, pending that I find all the parts at a reasonable price to make the expense worthwhile versus an engine swap.

So, in other words, sell a good kit and I'll buy it.

I've got a 7 and was thinking about a engine swap, but this might be even better. What kind of results are you expecting from adding the turbo?

I'd go for a turbo kit. +1

Best,

Roger

cheela

#5

how much would it be pushing?

I know it's just a 7A but, numbers might sway some members.

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Chhaos

#6

I would definitely be up for one assuming the price isn't too bad. Would also have to see some numbers.

Smaay

#7

of course ill get this baby dynoed sometime, but im expecting a 75+ HP increase. i still have to figure out the best management.

This post has been edited by Smaay: Jun 24, 2010 - 10:53 PM

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2celicas2love

#8

its done?!?!?! !!!!:D !!!! can't wait!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Smaay

#9

well it looks like using the stock green top 5S-FE injectors work really well. im only making about 5 psi but it scoots. i also dropped in a 7th gen GT-S fuel pump. not sure if they are diferent. if i must then ill upgrade to a walboro 255

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SwissFerdi

#10

So those are stock injectors available on any USDM 5S-FE?

This post has been edited by SwissFerdi: Jun 25, 2010 - 7:29 PM

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2celicas2love

#11

O M G

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Smaay

#12

yes stock USDM 5S-FE injectors, well 97 GT i should say, i dont know if the camry has different ones or the 5th gen 5S-FE does

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presure2

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QUOTE (Smaay @ Jun 25, 2010 - 7:24 PM)

>well it looks like using the stock green top 5S-FE injectors work really well. im only making about 5 psi but it scoots. i also dropped in a 7th gen GT-S fuel pump. not sure if they are diferent. if i must then ill upgrade to a walboro 255

5s injectors? arnt they only like 220cc? i would imagine those would really only work as a temporary thing.. they wont have much headroom above ~140-50whp. (im not a fan of higher than 1:1 FMU's)
i'd at least want some supra 315s in there, which are only good for ~190-200whp.
the smaller walbro would be a good choice for most 7a guys i would imagine.

looks good mang, but dont expect big sales from the 7a guys.
everyone says "im in!!" till they have to pony up. lol
what are the specs on the turbo?

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Smaay

#14

the turbo is a T3 super 60 with a 48 housing. free-revving it makes 3 lbs of boost. its very responsive. Thanks for the heads up on the Supra 310's are those the yello tops? right now there is no management, im using a checkvalve to fool the MAP sensor, and the A/Fs are actually in pretty good shape. going into boost its in the 12's and the more boost the lower they get.

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yarik83

#15

I second what pressure2 said. Yes everyone would not mind a turbo.. but then when you start mentioning that kit costs this much and it will be that much to install it.... people go from yeah to meh because most people here cant even afford to buy wiper blades on their cars. That is partly why so many people on this site do not have a turbo or engine swap done.

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SwissFerdi

#16

^ PessiRusski!

But yarly. I'd rather just source parts cheaply, like an older turbo with the possibility of being reman'd.

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Espo

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QUOTE (Chhaos @ Jun 24, 2010 - 12:55 PM)

>I would definitely be up for one assuming the price isn't too bad. Would also have to see some numbers.

This.

Plus possible installation instructions and I'm in when I have cash for it. I'd prefer to do it myself...learn something lol

zonz540

#18

Id be interested in an exhaust manifold, if it wont break the bank... Other than that, id prob go along with presure2 and say that with the 5s injectors, youre not going to get much out of your setup. Its hardly worth $2500 to hit 150hp when you could source your own stuff and get close to 200, if not more.
And as for the Supra injectors, the yellow and black topped ones are low impedance, the lime green topped ones are high impedance. Youll need to make a resistor pack for the low impedance ones on a 7a.

Smaay

#19

guys im not done yet. this is all still prototype. im sure ill get 200 HP out of this when im done. what year and model are the lime green?

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Smaay

#20

nevermind just looked it up, 7M-GE injectors. they are all over Ebay, so ill try a set of those. the only problem with getting bigger injectors is that need management for idle.

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presure2

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QUOTE (Smaay @ Jun 26, 2010 - 11:00 PM)

>nevermind just looked it up, 7M-GE injectors. they are all over Ebay, so ill try a set of those. the only problem with getting bigger injectors is that need management for idle.

i think i still have a set of the lime top 315s from my early setup, if you want em.
i can understand why you'd be inclined to do it with the FMU and the 5s injectors to keep it simple and keep the price down, but IMO thats setting up for disaster for the kids who buy the kit and get a little testy with the boost. whats the rate on the FMU your using?
another way you could try it would be a 2 bar map, and say..290 or so cc injectors.
kinda like what the mr2 guys used to call the "magic triangle" (ct-26, 315cc injectors, 2 bar map, no tuning)
if you sized the turbo right, and found the right size injector for the 7a, that would be prolly cheaper in the long run, and more reliable.

on the good side, i like the way everything looks in the bay, im used to seeing steffs tiny T2052, so the T3 looks HUGE in comparison..lol looking at the wheel sizes, they looked to be matched decently well (60 trim compressor wheel, 68 trim exhaust wheel), so even though they are a on the larger side for a lower reving motor like the 7a, it should still be decently responsive.
get this thing strapped down to the rollers man!

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Smaay

#22

we did some more tweaking over the weekend. Pressure i do like your idea of the 315's and 3S-GTE MAP sensor. right now im testing teh waters back on the stock injectors and the FMU. the 5S-FE injectors ran a little too rich with the FMU (which is 12:1) the big difference is when i installed the walboro 255. it wasnt the volume that we were lacking but the pressure. once the pressure increased things started to look better. ill have more updates tonight.

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zonz540

#23

I have a few extra 315 cc injectors as well. Im looking to throw a T25 on my 7A here soon, but im waiting on an AEM FIC and an exhaust manifold. Keep us posted on the progress of the build. Im interested on how well itll run with the injectors and your trim of compressor wheel.

Smaay

#24

well the stock 7A injectors are just waay too small. gonna try a few different ideas. will post updates soon

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zonz540

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QUOTE (zonz540 @ Jun 28, 2010 - 4:50 PM)

>I have a few extra 315 cc injectors as well. Im looking to throw a T25 on my 7A here soon, but im waiting on an AEM FIC and an exhaust manifold. Keep us posted on the progress of the build. Im interested on how well itll run with the injectors and your trim of compressor wheel.

Sorry, i meant the 315 cc's

celica74

#26

Ive got the lime green tops in my car N/A (dont ask why, still having trouble putting turbo on). Once the 02s heat up idea isnt too bad with them in. Although you do get 26mpg highway, and 19 city. Once i get my manifold turbo will go on. Ill let you guys know.
And btw, I sourced all my parts, and ive barely spent more then 1200 so far, thats everything but a manifold

Idle**

zonz540

#27

Big difference in mileage...

celica74

#28

yea, stock is 34, 28. but thats what i get for going from 180cc to 315cc injectors. just got my manifold ordered. Once i get it i have to go some welding for wastegate and o2 senser. Then putting everything on and the mpg should be about the same or a little better. Im wondering what i should do for tuning. I dont wanna spend $400 for a stand alone like the emanage.

zonz540

#29

I found an AEM F/IC for $200 locally. I hear they do the job well. You can get them for ~$300 on ebay.
Have you considered a wideband? That would also help you to know where you stand with those injectors and the rest of the kit.

Smaay

#30

yes i highly recommend the AEM UEGO

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