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QUOTE (jmeyer @ Feb 20, 2011 - 4:31 PM) *
>Looks amazing man, Its pretty impressive what EE's can do with a welder and a little imagination lol.




And money... hahaha, although this project hasn't gotten to out of hand yet. biggrin.gif

-93 Rx7, Turbo 6.1L v8, 725rwhp/760rwtq-95 Celica GT Rally Car - 3sge/AWD-10 F150Always buying stock wheels... PM me if interested in selling.
looking good despite the setbacks dude, keep it up!

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Well I got the two carrier bearings done and mounted in the car. However i'm rethinking the rear part of the driveshaft. I was planning on keeping with the angle of the transmission. I realized though that the shaft has a C.V. joint in the middle. This way I can raise the rear subframe up a little higher if I want.

As of right now I have everything lined up, but the subframe does seem to sit kinda low.

-93 Rx7, Turbo 6.1L v8, 725rwhp/760rwtq-95 Celica GT Rally Car - 3sge/AWD-10 F150Always buying stock wheels... PM me if interested in selling.
if you raise it, make sure to leave some playing room, as the engine will move along with the trans and the CV in the shaft is there to allow this movement.
who sold you the junk man?You really need to warn if there is a con amoung us,ive ran a brick and motar business for over 10 years and you simply dont sell junk... please put a feedback down so noone else gets ripped off,,btw nice fab skills,,ever heard of a isuzu impulse rs?i have 3 of them
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QUOTE (Culpable04 @ Mar 1, 2011 - 12:38 PM) *
>if you raise it, make sure to leave some playing room, as the engine will move along with the trans and the CV in the shaft is there to allow this movement.




Not exactly true. The driveshaft is fixed on that end, the spline connection and U joint on the transmission will take care of the movement of the engine. I'm pretty sure the CV joint is there to account for the angle difference that the rear subframe needs to be.

-93 Rx7, Turbo 6.1L v8, 725rwhp/760rwtq-95 Celica GT Rally Car - 3sge/AWD-10 F150Always buying stock wheels... PM me if interested in selling.
This it the 'GT4' driveshaft _Jim_ sent me versus the real one. The longer one is the actual GT4 shaft. Anyone looking to do this swap don't buy a damn thing from him you'll be lucky if you get anything, if you do itll probably wrong or broken.



These are the awesome axles he sent me.






Anyways, i'm still debating what I want to do with the front mounts. The rear mounts are made and tacked in. Doesn't look like much but lining everything up and getting everything in the exact location is the tough part. Everything has to be checked angles. I think I spent 2 hours just getting the rear subframe in the exact location it needed to be in.




Mounts just tacked in..










This post has been edited by czwalga: Mar 5, 2011 - 8:26 PM

-93 Rx7, Turbo 6.1L v8, 725rwhp/760rwtq-95 Celica GT Rally Car - 3sge/AWD-10 F150Always buying stock wheels... PM me if interested in selling.
i love checking the progress on this thread. great work thumbsup.gif
Very nice love the progress.

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I could have had the AWD 'done' today, however I ran out of welding gas. I have the front mounts built and ready to go just tacked into place.

I have a few hours of welding to do though; all the driveshaft mounts, rear mounts, new pieces of the cage, front mounts. Once I have all that welded I'll start working on the fuel cell mounts. They require that the fuel cell has a bulkhead between it and the passenger compartment. All fuel and brake lines will be routed inside the car, as they will probably last 12 seconds if routed in the stock location.

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AWD subframe tied into the cage. I'm not thrilled with how it looks, but oh well. It works.










Re-made the roof bars for more head clearance.




Start of the fuel cell bulkhead. Everything has to be sealed from the passenger compartment. Using a surge tank that's why I have two fuel pumps. The area with the tank and pumps sits about an inch lower since the pumps should be below the fuel cell.

The cell also has to be FIA FT3 approved, which basically means not cheap.




This post has been edited by czwalga: Mar 13, 2011 - 5:19 PM

-93 Rx7, Turbo 6.1L v8, 725rwhp/760rwtq-95 Celica GT Rally Car - 3sge/AWD-10 F150Always buying stock wheels... PM me if interested in selling.
Damn dude you have some skills that I wish I had or had the garage to do it in. My dd is a 03 toyota matrix if I had the time and money I want to first change it to and awd standard then maybe a 2gr smile.gif lol keep up the great work on all of your cars

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whats your estimate on the weight of the rollcage? it looks beefy, but heavy
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QUOTE (enderswift @ Mar 13, 2011 - 11:17 PM) *
>whats your estimate on the weight of the rollcage? it looks beefy, but heavy





The tube is ~1.5lbs a foot. I have about 120 feet of tube. So 175i'sh lbs. About 100 of those feet are required just to get log booked.

This post has been edited by czwalga: Mar 14, 2011 - 8:08 AM

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My hotbits rally suspension. 40 point rebound adjustments, 30 point compression adjustment.

Only 4 times what I paid for the car haha...





-93 Rx7, Turbo 6.1L v8, 725rwhp/760rwtq-95 Celica GT Rally Car - 3sge/AWD-10 F150Always buying stock wheels... PM me if interested in selling.
Ehh ****ty pics I just snapped with my phone...

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Very nice progress, i like the roll cage tie ins to the sub frame
Wow, that cage is so awesome! I cannot wait to see this thing ready to go.

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Got the fuel cell mounted in the car. Still have a little work to do on it, but it's in there.

Have a separate area for the surge tank and fuel pumps. I dont have the top of the fuel cell bolted on in the pics, also don't have the AN bulkheads installed.







-93 Rx7, Turbo 6.1L v8, 725rwhp/760rwtq-95 Celica GT Rally Car - 3sge/AWD-10 F150Always buying stock wheels... PM me if interested in selling.
Looks great so far!!

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QUOTE (presure2 @ Mar 21, 2011 - 8:12 PM) *
>Looks great so far!!




Thanks!


I'm so behind though haha. My group got mandatory OT months ago, so I haven't been working as much during the week. I decided i'm no longer working more than 8 hours for the next few weeks so I can hopefully get this thing on the road soon.

-93 Rx7, Turbo 6.1L v8, 725rwhp/760rwtq-95 Celica GT Rally Car - 3sge/AWD-10 F150Always buying stock wheels... PM me if interested in selling.
I was doing a little more reasearch as I'm still confused about some of the differences between the GT4 and GT models. Judging by my failures with the stock GT4 gas tank ive been looking at pictures and I never was able to figure out why I was having so much trouble getting it to fit.

Don't get me wrong, I could make it fit, but didnt 'fit' like it should. It end up sitting too low especially for rally and I ultimately ended up with a fuel cell. But to anyone in the future doing this swap you pretty much can't use any pictures as baseline of where anything should sit. I'm pretty sure the entire GT4 frame sits higher in the rear, judging by the pics it looks like it does as well. However i've never seen an actual GT4 hatch so correct me if i'm wrong.

This is all kind of rambling, but to anyone actuallying thinking of doing this it could be good information. So the bottom line, I believe main frame rails running to the rear are higher on the y plane than it seems versus our cars.


Looking at this picture it seems like it has the same frame rails in the same location. Then add the subframe mount 3-4 inches below. If you do that on our cars the subframe sits extremely low.




Looking at this one it seems as if the gas tank just fits perfectly. Well I mocked everything up and the filler tube doesnt make it to where it should be without cutting out material. Along with the fact it seems to sit really low.




You can see this looks like it sits much higher than our cars.

-93 Rx7, Turbo 6.1L v8, 725rwhp/760rwtq-95 Celica GT Rally Car - 3sge/AWD-10 F150Always buying stock wheels... PM me if interested in selling.
GT4 rear part of the chasis does sit higher than GTs, there was a post a few years back where they had the actual measurements, the rear seat is higher so less head room on the back, all to compensate for the room taken by the AWD components.

the " easiest " way of doing this is to source the rear floor pan of a GT4 and weld it in on a GT frame. there was a guy somewhere in Europe who took this approach. you have to basically undo the chassis, and re do it using the GT4 rear portion. not something I would attempt, but for those who have the skills to pull it off safely, it's a factory like build.

PS. let me know when you get that sensor

This post has been edited by Culpable04: Apr 5, 2011 - 11:06 AM
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QUOTE (Culpable04 @ Apr 5, 2011 - 12:05 PM) *
>GT4 rear part of the chasis does sit higher than GTs, there was a post a few years back where they had the actual measurements, the rear seat is higher so less head room on the back, all to compensate for the room taken by the AWD components.

the " easiest " way of doing this is to source the rear floor pan of a GT4 and weld it in on a GT frame. there was a guy somewhere in Europe who took this approach. you have to basically undo the chassis, and re do it using the GT4 rear portion. not something I would attempt, but for those who have the skills to pull it off safely, it's a factory like build.

PS. let me know when you get that sensor




Well that would make sense. Just by looking at it though you would think those frame rails are in the same location.



Good thing that sensor didnt come last friday. I didnt get my mail friday afternoon. Friday night someone blasted my mailbox going 35+mph hahaha. Was in like 20 pieces all over my front yard. I'll let you know when I get it. Thanks.

-93 Rx7, Turbo 6.1L v8, 725rwhp/760rwtq-95 Celica GT Rally Car - 3sge/AWD-10 F150Always buying stock wheels... PM me if interested in selling.
Thanks to my parents who came over and painted the cage haha. They're doing their best to try and help me get this thing done on time.


Pics of the awd mounts etc....






















Clutch rubbing on inside of the bellhousing.

-93 Rx7, Turbo 6.1L v8, 725rwhp/760rwtq-95 Celica GT Rally Car - 3sge/AWD-10 F150Always buying stock wheels... PM me if interested in selling.
Well nothing too exciting with the celica. Engine is back in; have to do a lot of stuff thats not really picture worthy right now.


However, I did take the rx7 out today finally nice enough.






-93 Rx7, Turbo 6.1L v8, 725rwhp/760rwtq-95 Celica GT Rally Car - 3sge/AWD-10 F150Always buying stock wheels... PM me if interested in selling.
Sooooooooooo badass!

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Very interesting topic man, lots of mecanics, nice to see and nice to read. Keep on the good job thumbsup.gif

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