The Death of the Celica may mark a new era of toaster vehicles as sales of the Celica slow. This is possibly due to the low price of the Z and the Celica's approching cost of the Z. Initially, Celica sales were up almost 230% from the 6G but sales have reportedly deteriorated.

The death of the Honda Prelude may of influenced Toyota's decision to eliminate the Celica for the 8th generation (in U.S. anyway). What will replace it? Most likely the xC...Toyota Caldina. (or the Corolla hatchback)

More as more develops...

-Nate >>

(I really really hope this ISN'T true)

what pisses me off the most is the fact there still will be celica's just not here in the US.

This post has been edited by Benevolence: Nov 29, 2003 - 4:19 PM

Hopefully its not true.

BS.

Toyota thrives on the Celica. If something gets changed, it'll be a renamed Celica.. kind of like the Integra to RSX type thing.

damn that sucks.. but for some strange reason i don't care... seeing as i might not ever get a new celica.. my next care will for sure be a big more powerful care... but yea it will be sad to see the longest selling car in amreica die..

What pisses me off is that 3 months ago I heard this from a Toyota exec and no one believed me. Now a magazine publishes the crap 3 months after I knew it was going to be true and now everyone believes it. Kind of funny how that happens...actually I even got b!tched at by Nate telling me I was wrong and sales are so high and will keep growing that they will never stop producing the Celica anytime soon. Oh well, just glad that in the end, I didn't b!tch back when it happened and now I can just laugh I guess. The only thing I have to say is...I told ya so! 3 months ago!

if it goes down like that, then i think its crap. i always like the style/look of the prelude (i dont know about the specs, but i know its pretty good) and those went down...and now the celica?! whack. oh and how could they possibly hatchback the new corollas???? like a focus or something?! i dunno imo they just wouldnt look right as hatch since the body shape is different.

Caldina is the Matrix, which will have a 3sgte

2005 Toyota Celica: Significant update with freshened styling and mechanical changes.

thats from motortrend.com... lets hope that this no 8th gen. deal isnt true... I find it odd that if the celica is such a loosing proposition, that they would even bother to freshen the current generation, ya know? The sport compact market is flourishing right now, so isn't it dumb for toyota to turn its back on it now? just my 2 cents...

motortrend article

sounds to me like toyota is running out the celica... that car has been on the market for a little over 5 years... if there isnt a 06 prototype 8gc... then id say they will probably let it die... which is a real shame, theyre too family focused, they completely forgot about the enthusiast.

they need to bring back the gt-four celica, it would save everything. a competitive price to compete with subaru and mitsubishi, get back in the rally scene and own the world.

It's true, they're gonna replace it with that Caldina/Scion thing...not sure, looks like a Matrix. Comes in a GT-FOUR version.

-awdturbo+Nov 30, 2003 - 6:06 PM

similar styling to the GTi! german rip-off... but i like!! 2 thumbs up, toyota may sound like theyre retarted, but they always pull something out

hey i love the look of that corolla t-sport.. wont' mind having one of those parked infront of the house... but has anyone looked at toyotas web site? the added the 2zz-ge to the corolla for next year it's the xrs

I know snadman but I wasn't really bitchin at you. It was more like a small debate. I didn't want you to take it personally mang! You should know that I don't wanna be mean about it. Hey if i'm wrong im wrong. I'm only human. I've been wrong in the past and ill be wrong in the future. Yea you say something an "exec" says but it just seemed unbelievable at the time. Plus, your story seemed very unlikely. You gotta admit, if you REALLY read it. It DID seem like there were big holes in it. You don't need to laugh...I never laughed at you. Bitch? how did I bitch? just a friendly debate about it. You stated your facts, and I stated mine. I don't see any problem with that. People like to see two sides and then see the outcome. Hey as I said before, if I offended you...well.......sorry! LOL

-Nate >>

Whatever, I ain't really offended just something that made me laugh inside is all. Pissed me off at first but I'm gladthat my earlier comments didn't turn out to be false and that I was right. It's all good in the hood Nate...props to the actual magazine support of what I just heard verbally. I'm glad that Toyota is shifting it's weight, it needs to do soemthing.

-snadman+Dec 1, 2003 - 4:11 PM

-boosted_K2+Dec 1, 2003 - 5:47 PM

Toyota is making great strides and progres with hybrid technology. The new Prius is awesome. I've heard of that theory of the fuelcell/hydrogen etc...So far the only vehicle that has come forward with this technology is Honda with the Honda Dualnote. A quasi-NSX that rates around 400-500HP with 40-50MPG.

-Nate >>

Yea no prob snadman =)

-Nate >>

Well it looks like Toyota has lost my faith. Guess I'll just keep my 6gc until it dies. Stupid Toyota...

Hello STi....

Hey guys I shouldn't worry much.
You see Toyota is suffering from poor management. They lack of style and imagination. They just prefer to have simple cars, best overall but number one at nothing. Just for the history, one of the worst decisions i ever saw was to try to sell the Supra at Corvette price. Of course they failed and in the end they have stopped the whole production of the Supra.
And also the the 6 generation Celica in the US is bull$hit. Unthinkable to have the Celica SSii in every other country with 170-180 bhp and 125 bhp in the US. Nowonder the Hondas are laughing at you. Believe me they are not that cocky where i come from. They try to compete with the SS II but when the almighty GT4 comes into the picture they just put their tails between their legs and dissappear. Only Evos and STIs are a match where i come from and because of the higher weight of the GT4, Custom duties were a few thousand s more than the EVOs and the STIs.
Probably the best solution for an 8th gen Celica would be a car that is more ergonomic ie the RX8 with its 4 doors.
The Caldina GT4 as it is presented will not do. We get such crap already from those oversized SUVs.
I am very dissapointed with Toyota because the prefer to be known for the Corolla and not for the Celica.

MY hopes are high though. the involvement with formula 1 has to have a positive effect. Otherwise, why the hell are they competeing in races if they dont produce any race cars?

Oh well, we will just have to weight and see. whatever the case we will adapt.

This post has been edited by neoklis: Dec 4, 2003 - 8:53 AM

-neoklis+Dec 4, 2003 - 8:44 AM

as much as I would hate to see the end of the celica if all toyota could put out is more crap like the 7th gen then I wont loose any sleep over it.. personally I think if all they can could come out with would be a 8th gen built on the 7th gen platform then it would probalby be a favor to just end the celica line.

*in case you couldn't tell I hate the 7gc*

But if they came back the "S" series for the 8th gen then depending on how it looked I would probaby yank out my 3s and plant it in there.

BTW isnt there a version of the is300 that came with the 5sfe or 3sge motor? dont think it was USspec but overseas somewhere?

-NEVERSTOP+Dec 4, 2003 - 9:04 AM

Man, I lost all faith in toyota..... Toyota is replacing the celica with the caldina which is suppose to be a third Scion car. What kinda retarded name is that? I didn't believe until i saw this:

I personally think Toyota missed the mark with the 7th gen Celica. Sure the performance of the GTS was marginally better than a 6Gc and the price was lower, however the formula was changing and Toyota pulled a reactive move. In the previous years, high RPM engines came in favor, so Toyota dropped the promise of high torque dropping the high displacement and not offering a turbo.

Toyota had the engine to become a killer in the market if they desired, but they refuse to be leaders in the market. ST215... Instead they followed to where the market was, not where it will be. It was a great hockey player who said you go to where the puck will be, not were the puck is. If you go to where the puck is, it will be gone by the time you get there. TRD superchargers are a quick fix to power problems but they are crude and not optimal. They are like the 4-barrel carbs of the 60's.


My forecast of were I would like Toyota to take the Celica in 2006/2007:

Combine the roots of the Celica with the near past of the Celica. Lightweight car (2700 lbs) 4 cylinder engine, rwd. GT with a 2.4 lt. NA engine 160 HP(can you say 2Z-FE???), GTS with a 240 HP 2.4 lt engine(8 psi on a 2Z-fe engine). This would not be that difficult, and would add a small premium to the GT level car switching to RWD, and the GTS would be less than an RX-8 but much faster. It could use standard components from the Camry, and would not require the high tech-solutions and problems of the 2ZZ-GE.

Am I a fool, or it this a solution that is too simple?
?

This post has been edited by GeEkBoY: Dec 5, 2003 - 12:28 AM

if the caldina has a 3sgte. I'd have one.... maybe

The celica always cycles. I bet anything they keep up the patent on the name.... (just like they did after the death of the 6th gen.)

geekboy, maybe those could have some ge head, instead of the fe head, I say ban the fe in any toyota sports car.

granted, my gt is enjoyable,but, I'd rather have something with a ge head