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Smaay
#61
I have also been watching all the traffic on MR2oc. what i want to know is what 2GR is the best to use? RAV4? all the talk about immobilizers gets me concerned. also what about he wiring? what is involved for body harness?
2001 Celica GT-S Turbo1997 Supra TT 6speed1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap1990 Celica All-Trac
bloodMoney
#62
The thing that we need to contend with is the lack of vertical clearance in the celica engine bay. If the MZ barely clears the hood, what's to say that the taller GR will fit? can someone get some measurements of the motors for some benchmarking?

I'm itching to do this swap hardcore, but there is still a lot that needs to be addressed before I can take on a project like this. As my 6g is my DD, I can't do the necessary research required to answer my own questions, let alone the ones in this thread.
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mandrek
#63
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QUOTE (SupraKid @ Mar 11, 2011 - 2:56 AM) *
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QUOTE (95CelicaST @ Mar 10, 2011 - 10:55 PM) *
>1uz - heavy, and slower. ~170whp and 230ish torque on a 1uz (I dynoed two sc400's on Saturday). The 2gr has that beat by over 100whp. Its got more torque too, I just can't remember exact numbers.

Just because it has two more pistons doesn't mean its better. Research is your friend.

Obviously something was up with those, as the 1uzs stock should make at LEAST 200whp stock. And if you were to invest in a vvti then youd make the same amount if not more than a 2g, not to mention the sky is the limit with those engines. In a celica it wouldnt be practical but if your just talking engines then IMO the 1uz would be above the 2g.

Also if you have a dyno sheet of a stock 2gr doing 270whp+ id love to see it.

ask and you shall recive!!!

only mods done are the ones nessisary to do the swap.. IE: full exahust, and intake.. oh and eliminating the slush-box
this is one of toyot's best flowing motors in the head/intake manifold, toyota sqeezed the hell out of its ability to breath with a sevierly restrictive exhaust. that coupled with a very heavy slushbox = the rated HP that this motor gets when in "true" stock form...
again, this is ONLY with "mods" that it takes to do the swap.. NOTHING els.. biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

oh and gouky's VERY in-depth thread
2grfe swap thread
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mandrek
#64
oops. did not see that FORGMANN had already posted the sheet..
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mr220v
#65
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QUOTE (Smaay @ Sep 7, 2011 - 2:14 PM) *
>I have also been watching all the traffic on MR2oc. what i want to know is what 2GR is the best to use? RAV4? all the talk about immobilizers gets me concerned. also what about he wiring? what is involved for body harness?


I have wired for about a dozen of these in mr2's. All of my harnesses have been based off of the 2plug harnesses for use with the nonimmobilized rav4 ecu. The 2plug camry engine harnesses are ok to use with the rav4 ecu. For the basic motor, you can use just about any 2gr you can get your hands on.
Smaay
#66
^^^ thanks for the response, now how much different will the wiring be in a 6th gen. there are big differences between ODB1 SW20s and ODB2 celicas. plus CA smog BS! i couldnt have any CEL on. i know that in toyotas the 2GR is only mated to an auto, but what about the lotus evora? its a 6 speed manual. so thats my loophole for mounting it to a manual tranny
2001 Celica GT-S Turbo1997 Supra TT 6speed1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap1990 Celica All-Trac
mr220v
#67
The automatic tranny codes kill the rav4 ecu for California. That and the stock 2gr exhaust manifold interferes with the clutch slave cylinder, so you're stuck with headers, another problem for CA.

You could potentially use evora exhaust parts and the evora ecu, only problem is that those ecu's are all immobilized.

This is definitely an area where toyota is inferior. I've done a number of swaps with Chevys. The ecu's are open, so all I have to do is plug my laptop with tuning software into the obd2 ports, access the ecu, and uncheck the box for security (and rear o2's and evap and automatic). With Toyota, you would think you were trying to access some military secret. The dealer can't even disable security.

This post has been edited by mr220v: Sep 8, 2011 - 12:28 PM
mandrek
#68
i know that connor just got cal/smog leagal.. im not sure that it was a 2grfe though..

Edit: its a 1mzfe.. never mind....


Smaay do you not have family in florida or alabama, or any of the other very relaxed emissions states that could "own" the car for you?

This post has been edited by mandrek: Sep 8, 2011 - 2:47 PM
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njccmd2002
#69
Let's keep the discussion alive guys. I want to see this happen. Why is not someone on top of this....
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mi645
#70
i work on 2gr-fe all the time at work and 1gr-fe on tacomas and a bunch of other motors, the 2gr is very powerful and torquey, reliable of course, doesnt sound great stock on camrys etc, lol but yeah its reliable i havent had issues with it, and only thing i see normal mait water pumps leak here and there but thats prev, maint. great idea for that motor but its big, and where would u just find a motor? its fairly new on newwer cars
njccmd2002
#71
the problem with this swap, is no one is done it or tried on a celica. The motors are plenty on ebay, and yards now. people wreck cars every day. its a matter of grabbing the balls to do it. but no one seems interested here. I guess its the cost.
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Special_Edy
#73
The cost is prohibitive, but I think about the 2gr every day.
No one knows for certain if a 1gr crank will fit in a 2gr, there you would have the potential for 4 liters fwd.

Also, my favorite part about this swap is that the S in ST204/ST202/ST205 stands for S-series engine and the AT-200 has an A-series block so a 2gr equipped celica would be a GRT-204 or GRT-205
Box
#74
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QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Dec 19, 2013 - 2:42 AM) *
>the problem with this swap, is no one is done it or tried on a celica. The motors are plenty on ebay, and yards now. people wreck cars every day. its a matter of grabbing the balls to do it. but no one seems interested here. I guess its the cost.

Just a matter of wiring and the cost associated with that. Will it be worthwhile going through the hassle versus just dropping in a 1MZ/3MZ hybrid? Though haven't those with MR2's done this now? So one should more or less be able to take what they've done and apply it to the Celica.

Why don't you do it? tongue.gif
2001 Miata LS 5-speed
kurt95gt
#75
If I had the money frown.gif
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njccmd2002
#76
290 HP, N/a on a celica, its worthwhile, and the swap is a couple pounds lighter than the 3sgte...

i have too much on my plate, atm. beleive me if i did not have a tore car in my garage, i would totally do it...
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Smaay
#77
the 2GR is a kick ass engine, when the cost of them gets down to 700 like a 3MZ then ill attempt one. until then, ill keep my 240 torque 3MZ
2001 Celica GT-S Turbo1997 Supra TT 6speed1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap1990 Celica All-Trac
Rusty
#78
Blade Masters have the 2GR's here.

There was a NZ'er with a 2GR SW20 MR2, in the end making 208.7rwKW, since sold.
ST202 SS-II CELICA threadNew Zealand members check inSticky thread's: How to contribute and troubleshoot.
Box
#79
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QUOTE (Smaay @ Dec 19, 2013 - 8:12 PM) *
>...when the cost of them gets down to 700 like a 3MZ then ill attempt one...

Said Mr. MKIV Supra Turbo. tongue.gif

This post has been edited by Box: Dec 20, 2013 - 12:09 AM
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njccmd2002
#80
i guess we will all have to wait for chris to do it...
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yellowchinaman
#81
Hmm... I wonder if there is enough room for turbo charging this?
Box
#82
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QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Dec 19, 2013 - 11:32 PM) *
>i guess we will all have to wait for chris to do it...

I mean for what this all might cost though there a lot of cars you can buy with lots of established potential, they're also pushed and not pulled. If the 2GR is as much of a pain as it looks to be, I don't see it being worth the hassle over the 1MZ/3MZ. Yes I'd much rather have the 2GR given similar challenges, but is it worth all the extra trouble? I'd love to see a 2GR Celica, so more power(he he, see what I did there?) to anyone that wants to go out and do it.
2001 Miata LS 5-speed
bloodMoney
#83
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QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Dec 20, 2013 - 1:32 AM) *
>i guess we will all have to wait for chris to do it...


I'll do it. I already have the motor and the trans.... Now if only some douche in a BMW didn't wreck Abby, we might be able to get somewhere....

I've got a few ideas on how to get over the hood clearance issues while minimizing the aesthetic impact to the vehicle, but I need to test fit everything before I go broadcasting whiteboard ideas.

Meanwhile, I'm still trying to settle with the insurance company, so I need to see where the funding falls after that.

This post has been edited by bloodMoney: Dec 20, 2013 - 2:45 PM
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richee3
#84
I should hopefully have an empty engine bay for you soon. thumbsup.gif
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Smaay
#85
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QUOTE (Box @ Dec 19, 2013 - 9:09 PM) *
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QUOTE (Smaay @ Dec 19, 2013 - 8:12 PM) *
>...when the cost of them gets down to 700 like a 3MZ then ill attempt one...

Said Mr. MKIV Supra Turbo. tongue.gif


which is exactly why i have no money
2001 Celica GT-S Turbo1997 Supra TT 6speed1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap1990 Celica All-Trac
CAcelica29
#86
in all fairness the supra will come before the celica in my house too....when i get a supra ^^^^^^
njccmd2002
#87
been rounding up some information about this swap, the cost may be prohibitive, but damn, those mr2 videos are awesome.

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Smaay
#88
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QUOTE (Success21 @ Jan 28, 2011 - 11:15 AM) *
>This might be kind of newb question but what if you ran a standalone could you bypass the immobilizer? I know its alot of money for a standalone but it be worth it so you don't have all that trouble and you can get a newer motor?



remember the immobilizer is built into the ECU, the engine has nothing to do with it.

Now if you can get the 2GR to work on 1MZ electronics, that would be sweet. Like the 3MZ, the 2GR is a DBW engine so it needs a DBW gas pedal and a bunch more wiring.
2001 Celica GT-S Turbo1997 Supra TT 6speed1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap1990 Celica All-Trac
playr158
#89
200hp.....I don't know if this is enough for the swap + AWD kindasad.gif
Box
#90
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QUOTE (playr158 @ Apr 24, 2014 - 12:20 PM) *
>200hp.....I don't know if this is enough for the swap + AWD kindasad.gif

The ST165 was 190 turbocharged AWD and the ST185 was 200hp turbocharged AWD.

Lots of AWD cars with less power even...
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