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Topic #82573 260 posts Started by Smaay
Smaay
#151
I drove Eryns car with a 3rd gen 3S in it and it hauls ass! dont get me wrong. but this swap will cost much less than a 3S-GTE. 3MZ engines are all over car-part.com for about 1000 bucks with the wiring and ECU.

you will have to spend a little more if you go the route I did. im using a non VVT 1MZ ECU. so i have no VVT control. still making good power i think. i will make more once i figure out a way to control VVT.

i would also be making more power if i was using the S54. the E153 is such a beefy transmission it absorbs more power.

if you go with an E153, then just use ST205 engine mounts and my mount on the passenger side. use the axle carrier from the 05 Sienna. it fits perfectly

This post has been edited by Smaay: Jan 7, 2013 - 3:26 PM
2001 Celica GT-S Turbo1997 Supra TT 6speed1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap1990 Celica All-Trac
Smaay
#152
i took the V6 that was tapping apart over the weekend, it was the rod bearings. 1 and 6 were toast! luckily the crankshaft looks ok. im not sure if it was lack of oil or poor clearances? ill post pics soon.
2001 Celica GT-S Turbo1997 Supra TT 6speed1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap1990 Celica All-Trac
Syaoran
#153
Damn that sucks...

Do you plan on making headers for the V6 or are you going to keep the stock manifolds? I bet a pair of headers and a nice dual exhaust would give you nice power.
1993 Celica GT Coupe - sold1994 Celica GT Liftback
Smaay
#154
i have no plans on developing headers. the stock MT headers do a fine job. if anything ill just port match them like we do the 7th gen celicas.
2001 Celica GT-S Turbo1997 Supra TT 6speed1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap1990 Celica All-Trac
chacha
#155
have you thought about the 2GR-FSE swaps...I want to venture in that area but the wiring is what worries me and well everything else to the swap. I want to bar the darn engine so it is legit, but finding the engine is the hard thing. I have talk to you about the 3s, but maybe this is the better solution when legalizing this kind of swap into our old car...94+ engine or newer for smog legal. btw nice work.
Smaay
#156
2GR will never be legal in CA. the engine costs twice as much, and yes the wiring will be insane. im really happy with my 3MZ and once i put the SC on it, ill be done.
2001 Celica GT-S Turbo1997 Supra TT 6speed1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap1990 Celica All-Trac
trdproven
#157
how much have you spent so far including all the itty bittys?
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Smaay
#158
well since i went through a 1MZ/3MZ hybrid and i rebuilt the engine, and then it started knocking and I installed the 3MZ spare i had. ill break it down if i just went with the 3MZ.

engine 700
ECU 120
harness work 400
E153 350
axles 300
fluids 50

that totals to 1920. you could save 400 of that if you use the stock GT tranny and axles. I also bought a new fidanza flywheel and SB clutch but that was my choice.

add another 1500 or so for the 1MZ and 3MZ and parts for the rebuild. but for a person wanting to do a V6 swap, unless you want to have the same setup I have, just get a 1MZ from a 5 speed solara and call it a day.

also keep in mind that i have my own fab guy to build my engine mount and Y pipe. add 400 if you want duplicates of those.
2001 Celica GT-S Turbo1997 Supra TT 6speed1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap1990 Celica All-Trac
kurt95gt
#159
This swap can be done right for 2000-2500 easy of ypu just want to do the stock swap an if ypu gpt yhe topls the mounts ate easy to make
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chacha
#160
i hope you keep making parts for the future and especially idea about the best SC on the 3mz...
Special_Edy
#161
Since you have all these toyota motors around, is there anyway you could compare an S series head with an MZ series head, or the deck on the block?
Id be interested to see how well they match up, a 1MZ-GTE would be pretty badass. Maybe its feasible to shave a cylinder off the head if the bore spacing and waterjackets match up. Ive seen someone weld two v8 heads together for a straight 6 before, so anything is possible.

This post has been edited by Special_Edy: Jan 25, 2013 - 1:06 PM
PizzaGuy01
#162
Any recommendations for a specific mz block for reliability/ease of swap for my daily college/pizza driver? Lexus or Toyota block make much difference?
95CelicaST
#163
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QUOTE (PizzaGuy01 @ Jan 28, 2013 - 6:03 PM) *
>Any recommendations for a specific mz block for reliability/ease of swap for my daily college/pizza driver? Lexus or Toyota block make much difference?


They're the exact same. A 1MZ from a 94 Camry is the same 1MZ from a 94 ES300... and so on.
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Smaay
#164
to make the swap the easiest, i suggest getting a 1MZ out of a 5 speed car. that way you are not dealing with ECU issues chasing Auto codes
2001 Celica GT-S Turbo1997 Supra TT 6speed1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap1990 Celica All-Trac
95CelicaST
#165
Agreed. 97+ ANYTHING Toyota/Lexus that has a V6 minus SC300.
1991 MR2 - T-tops - Crimson Red - Gen3 3SGTE - Lots of moneyI'm not really an asshole, but I play one on the internet.**** Photobucket
Syaoran
#166
Smaay I need a little info to see if it's worth venturing into it. It's in relation to the coilpacks on the 1MZ-FE.

How many pins do the plugs to these have? I want to know if they have inbuilt igniters or if they're just coils. Also, how long do the boots for the plugs measure in inches?
1993 Celica GT Coupe - sold1994 Celica GT Liftback
Smaay
#167
the igniter is an external box just like the 5S. the coils i believe are only 2 wire and they are wasted spark meaning 1 coil feeds 2 cylinders. This is for the non VVT 1MZ

the VVT 1MZ and 3MZ are 4 wire i believe just like a 1ZZ or 2ZZ. they have the igniter built in i think.

you can see here the 2 wire plug on the side and the spark plug wire that runs around to the back 3 plugs.
2001 Celica GT-S Turbo1997 Supra TT 6speed1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap1990 Celica All-Trac
Syaoran
#168
So these are just coils... hmm.

I'm going to run a wasted spark setup for now but I wanted to clean the bay up a little. I was thinking these would look cleaner. I could use these but Id rather use some with inbuilt igniters because it's better, noise-wise (less noise inside the megasquirt with the bip373s) and less heat as well.

Are the 3mz coils the same? I mean wasted spark, or individual COP?
1993 Celica GT Coupe - sold1994 Celica GT Liftback
Smaay
#169
sorry i didnt see this sooner, the 3MZ actually went to a 4 wire coil on each cylinder so now there are 6 of them.
2001 Celica GT-S Turbo1997 Supra TT 6speed1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap1990 Celica All-Trac
Syaoran
#170
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QUOTE (Smaay @ Mar 10, 2013 - 12:31 PM) *
>sorry i didnt see this sooner, the 3MZ actually went to a 4 wire coil on each cylinder so now there are 6 of them.


Oh so true COP then. Thanks for the info. Do you happen to have any of those laying around?
1993 Celica GT Coupe - sold1994 Celica GT Liftback
Smaay
#171
sorry i dont
2001 Celica GT-S Turbo1997 Supra TT 6speed1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap1990 Celica All-Trac
richee3
#172
I'd love to hear this thing. smile.gif Has there already been a video posted of the exhaust? I might've missed it.
"Employ your time in improving yourself by other men's writings, so that you shall gain easily what others labored hard for." -Socrates. Even Socrates told us touse the search button!2006 Aston Martin V8 Vantage.1998 Celica GT-BEAMSSwapped.2022 4Runner TRD Off Road Prenium.2021 GMC Sierra AT4.
BonzaiCelica
#174
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QUOTE (smkr3w @ Mar 28, 2013 - 12:47 AM) *
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QUOTE (richee3 @ Mar 27, 2013 - 9:02 AM) *
>I'd love to hear this thing. smile.gif Has there already been a video posted of the exhaust? I might've missed it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rk0XhQXD1o4...eature=youtu.be


oh yea i rem. needs to be redone without wind.
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Smaay
#175
i live in Lancaster, its always windy here. ill try to take a better video.
2001 Celica GT-S Turbo1997 Supra TT 6speed1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap1990 Celica All-Trac
mr-belowaverage
#176
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QUOTE (Smaay @ Dec 21, 2012 - 5:11 PM) *
>you will have to spend a little more if you go the route I did. im using a non VVT 1MZ ECU. so i have no VVT control. still making good power i think. i will make more once i figure out a way to control VVT.


How are you making out with the VVT? I am getting ready to drop a 3MZ into my 94 ST, and am currently sourcing the ECU. I have a ton of options, but they boil down to 1MZ with manual ecu, or 1MZ with VVT ecu, nothing with both. I'd really like to get the VVT working, but don't want to fight all the auto trans codes.

Also, how do you determine if ECU has immobilizer?

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QUOTE
>if you go with an E153, then just use ST205 engine mounts and my mount on the passenger side. use the axle carrier from the 05 Sienna. it fits perfectly


This is a fantastic tip!
Smaay
#177
Just giving an update, the car is running as strong as ever. Im chasing an AC issue. i think i have a leak somewhere.
2001 Celica GT-S Turbo1997 Supra TT 6speed1997 Celica 3MZ/1MZ swap1990 Celica All-Trac
Box
#178
UV dye and a black light. wink.gif
2001 Miata LS 5-speed
Box
#179
>.>

This post has been edited by Box: Jun 24, 2013 - 12:04 PM
2001 Miata LS 5-speed
richee3
#180
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QUOTE (Smaay @ Jun 24, 2013 - 10:36 AM) *
>Just giving an update, the car is running as strong as ever. Im chasing an AC issue. i think i have a leak somewhere.

That crap blows... Hopefully it's just an old O ring somewhere. I managed to crack one of my hard lines in one of the times I pulled my motor, then I made the mistake of trying to replace them with the motor in the car. I got it finished, but it would've been a lot easier with an empty engine bay. Then again, if it's something I've done, you've done it ten times and you're a hundred times better at it. smile.gif
"Employ your time in improving yourself by other men's writings, so that you shall gain easily what others labored hard for." -Socrates. Even Socrates told us touse the search button!2006 Aston Martin V8 Vantage.1998 Celica GT-BEAMSSwapped.2022 4Runner TRD Off Road Prenium.2021 GMC Sierra AT4.
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