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QUOTE (richee3 @ Sep 19, 2018 - 1:34 PM)
>I can understand why so many people are still upset about it, but the mkIV crowd still expects it to have 800 hp with the potential for about a trillion so they arent even giving this car a chance.
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QUOTE (NgoFcukinWay @ Sep 19, 2018 - 2:28 PM)
>MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeee
eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeehhhhhhhhhhhhhh....
I rest my case.
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QUOTE (narly_charley @ Sep 19, 2018 - 2:04 PM)
>I'm still upset that they teamed up with BMW. Not a Toyota in my mind...
I was at the start as well. I still see BMW's as unreliable but at the same time, BMW builds a great chassis (and we all know Toyota desperately needs to learn a thing or two in that department these days) and BMW is the only logical choice to go to for a straight six. Look at it this way- this car is already rumored to cost $60,000+ USD and has taken YEARS to get this close to production and that's with BMW's help. If Toyota had to develop a new engine from scratch, an engine that would be used in this car and this car alone, imagine the cost and time it would take. We'd nearly never see another Supra. (Not that it seems that BMW helped speed up the process...) But the B58 engine has proved to be pretty reliable so far with decent power potential. We'll see how high mileage examples do, and I'd be worried to drive one of these out of warranty but the Supra will come with Toyota's warranty. I don't believe maintenance can be ignored or put off as with every other Toyota but taken care of, I don't think this will be the worst car Toyota has ever produced. Everything I've ever read about the BMW/Toyota collab says they started off together then went their own separate ways with each car, and only came back together at the very end, supporting Akio Toyoda's claims that "there's a lot more Toyota in this car than people think." I've read that the BMW-Toyota partnership benefits BMW by getting to use Toyota's hybrid technology and Toyota gets to build a better chassis, which will make Toyota more exciting than the appliances they've made over the last decade. The A90 may have a BMW engine but one of the articles above states Toyota electronics, which was one of my big concerns.
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QUOTE (cheela @ Sep 19, 2018 - 2:42 PM)
>At least it's return to performance and fun with the 86 and A90
I'd rather have them making more sports cars then more sedan and crossover variants.
This. The JZA80 may have punched outside of it's weight class to take on Corvettes, 911's, even the GTR, but the fact is that it was marketed more against the Z32. It just happened to have much more capability than Toyota liked to pretend. Although I tend to agree with the masses that I'm a little disappointed that the A90 no longer competes with these cars, I can't say I'm surprised either. Toyota has no interest in competing with themselves with the RC-F and LC500, even though those are at a different price point than the A90 is rumored to be. But they can't have their $60k car embarrassing the $90k+ LC500 (even though it's going to anyway- even the name LC is LUXURY coupe, not BARC- badass race coupe.) My hope is that the rumored price point is incorrect because $60k puts this car into C7 Vette and M3 territory, and lined up perfectly with the Cayman they are marketing this against. If that's the case, the car simply won't sell well because there's too much competition at that price range, meaning most people will walk away from the Supra and move onto something else, which will kill production after only a few years. Wait... that sounds familiar... almost like some other car Toyota used to build...
Interesting read on the B58 rumored to power the A90. Definitely has some pros and cons.
http://youwheel.com/home/2016/03/27/detail...ylinder-engine/From the release of the FT1 concept I have not been a fan of the A90. Hated the looks then, hate the look now. I had a feeling it would be a lame 370Z competitor for $60k, not cool. However, now that Toyota is leaking little teasers, telling us it handles like a Cayman, letting people get pictures of the engine bay so some have taken educated guesses that it's powered by a B58, and they actually
encourage people to swap 2JZ's into it and even built the four cylinder to be cheaper and intentionally easy to swap a 2JZ into, that's just awesome. It sounds like Toyota has listened to us after all. They built a car with reinforcements for aftermarket wings, pre drilled for splitters, engine good enough for those that don't want to modify the car, handles exactly how we asked them to make it handle, and made it easy to put a 2JZ into on purpose. What isn't to love there? I'll sum up the highlights- very mod friendly, great handling, put a 2JZ in it. And I strongly suspect from little hints given here and there that they may have even built a test mule with a 2JZ in it just to make sure it doesn't ruin the handling of the car. You know for sure they out one in it at some point to ensure it's not difficult to swap, the way they specifically say buy the cheaper 4 cylinder for swapping legendary Toyota engines into.
I may still have the unpopular opinion here, but I don't care. I think this car will be a huge hit, price tag aside. They literally gave us everything a Supra used to be with some improvements, and since they can't legally put 2JZ's in it themselves, they intentionally made a cheaper model that's easy to swap. Everyone wins.
but I guess auto trans has been getting better and better these days. just not as fun as a manual.