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I think it also all comes back to the love & enthusiasm one has for their car. I think Evo's are pretty amazing, BUT I'd take a GT-4 over one anyday. Throw some power mods against it and it'll be loads sexier, and possibly just as fast.

From what I've heard though, In stock form an EVO (even from around the time of my GT4) has 280BHP with only 7PSI, whereas our 3S-GTE is only putting out 250BHP with 14psi

Their 4WD is just as advanced as ours too

Not to mention they have a smaller wheelbase and track and are lighter by about 200kgs (which is 2 fat fu*ks in the back seat)

probably 7PSI on a broken turbo. lol.
stock boost in the evo's average from 11 to 16 psi. i think the evo 9 is a bit higher but non of my friends have a 9. the evo 3 seems to be less common than the newer ones so use about 15PSI as your average for stock boost on an evo. the evo 7 also weighs about the same amount as a GTfour. they have active(electronic) differentials. well electronically managed is the better term. so that makes their 4wd system technologically light years ahead of ours. But don't be dismayed. Mechanical grip is just as good and in my opinion even better than the electronic stuff. you just have to have the right components properly set up. With the right suspension and diff settings only tyre grip should be the limiting factor in handling on a GT four.

This post has been edited by 6gtfour: Sep 15, 2009 - 9:10 PM

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I was gonna say, isn't the GT-4's AWD system pretty stone-age...no differential, as far as I know? They guy above me ninja'd me though.

Oh i forgot to ask earlier Jim and I'm too lazy to check through all 14 pgs again dunno if it was mentioned but what was the ambient (atmospheric) temperature on the day the car was dyno tested? and also out of curiosity what type of engine oil gearbox oil, radiator coolant, intercooler coolant, and brake fluid do you use? also curious if you use the stock radiator cap or upgraded to the 1.3Bar and what diameter wheels you use 16,17 or 18 inch.

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mechanical rear, viscous center, open diff up front.

It's not fair to compare any EVO after 1998 to a GT4.

actually it's Torsen rear (torque sensing), open front and i'm not sure what the center differential actually is. my gosh i can't believe i've gotten that rusty lol.

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Stock for stock yes but that's why we're here.... to level the playing field and personally i intend to have an unfair advantage as often as possible.

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if it makes you feel better i will have the same setup jim has in an awd drive setup before the end of the year i plant to produce 350awhp at around 17-18 psi

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and will also tell you as a fact.... evo XIII will not keep up with my car in stock form and i can pull on a IX untill my third gear

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you are expecting to safely produce around 540 horsepower (flywheel) with 550cc injectors on 93 octane fuel/with WI? at ONLY 18PSI? on the efficiency of the factory turbo's compressor? I'll have to see that first to believe it. But my initial thoughts are NO WAY JOSE. lol

Sorry for hijacking your thread Jim, lets take it here (gt4 vs evo)

This post has been edited by delusionz: Sep 17, 2009 - 9:36 AM

sorry i meant jims new setup lol i dont want to clutter up jims thread...but if he wants he can explain my setup and power lol

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ohhhh whew you had me worried for a moment. well good luck i I don't think Jim's gonna explain your setup cause he's holding up on posting more info on the car till his new setup is done. Anyway i can tell you that i'm not going to even change the oil in mine till you guys are finished with your setups and give us the 411.
i guess now that we've (ok mostly it's my fault lol) cluttered jim's thread i'll have to go back and find my actual question to Him and repost it after this. hmmmm....

This post has been edited by 6gtfour: Sep 17, 2009 - 5:50 PM

Update?

Great numbers

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Ok jim christmas is gone (season's greetings by the way) and it's time to get the wheels cranking in celicaland again. what is the status with pipe's 4wheel drive celica project?

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Check Pipes' thread for that.

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showto...0&start=240

Pipes car will be down here soon enough. He is collecting parts he needs as we speak, and once he has all parts in his possession he will making the trip. I am currently getting everything ready in my garage to help another member of this site to help swap his car.


He bought the black front half cut off me, and Me, Joey, and Shannon will be giving him a hand installing this motor in his car over the next few weeks. He has scored himself an amazing motor....ONLY 50K MILES!!! It is by far the cleanest setup I have ever seen, and he will agree. He wont be using the GT4 front end, so this is up for sale to anyone that is interested. PM me for pricing.

Again, once my buddies car is swapped, Pipes will make the trip down here...and we will be giving Pipes a hand with his new setup. After Pipes, I can give my car some of the attention it deserves. Between Shannons car, buying selling motors/clips, helping friends, working, and maintaining a personal life...It has been a busy time for me, and I have only been really buying parts for my car. I now have ALMOST everything I need to be 100% finished with it. I will be pulling it into the garage, and I will be installing/setting up the parts I currently have....and will finish the car off in the Spring. I havent given up on her yet, so stay tuned.

Is the receiver of the 3S signed up here?

Can't wait for your car's progress guy.

This post has been edited by SwissFerdi: Dec 27, 2009 - 9:34 PM

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Yes, the member who bought this front half cut off me is a well known and valued member of this site...and has been for years. I dont know if he is wanting to let anyone know of his build until he is done, so I we leave him nameless at this point. When he reads this, he can feel free to chime in if he feels like doing so.

Trust me Ferdi, neither can I. I have been planning, buying, sourcing, reaching, discussing, reading, and changing plans for a rather long time now...and I am glad I have now locked in a build that I can start working on. Like I said, I have almost everything I need to complete my build, and the last few remaining parts I will be buying after the winter. I hope to have the car ready for the Spring...and Hope to have it ready for the Dragon Run in May. Either way Me, Shannon, my brother Joe, and about 10 other friends and family members will be making the trip...and so should you guys.

my car will be the receiver of such a clean engine, as Jim posted, I have no intention of changing the exterior of my car so the GT-4 front end conversion is up for grabs, either pm jim or me for details on that.

when time is right, I'll make a separate thread for this project, for now, let's stick to jim's project which is one of a kind.

^ NICE! Good pickup man.

I assure you jim, for the sake of the future of the world... I will attend the Dragon Run. there will be boost.

whats that thing you call the "helper spring mod"?

stiffer spring to keep the WG shut at higher boost?

How is this done?

great project btw!

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Thank you very much. Here is my write up on the Helper Spring Mod

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Hey thanks for making my research easy with those photos. detaling the DEI part number for the heat shielding.

Anyway here's a serious question. The DEI product description is very specific in saying that the heat shielding can handle 400 degrees F direct heat and can reflect up to 1000 degrees F....
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DEI-010412/
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However on the same summit racing website there's another adhesive heat insualtor from Thermo Tec that's almost the same thing that claims up to 2000 degrees F heat sheilding capability.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/THE-13590/
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Did you guys come across this one and if so why choose the one that handles 400 to 1000 degrees over one that can sheild up to 2000 degrees?
The DEI is in fact both cheaper and larger than the Thermo Tec since it cost $51 for a 48" by 36" sheet where as the Thermo Tec costs $61 for a 48" by 24" sheet.
But after taking some measurements The 24 inch width is still wide enough to fully cover the base of the intercooler and the Thermo Tec is the same 48 inch lenght as the DEI so you can do the same double layer arrangement.
So my final thoughts are that for 11 dollars more Thermo Tec wins hands down with a double layered possibly insulating capability of around 4000 degrees F where the DEI although $11 cheaper only gives you 800 to 2000 degrees F heat insulation capability when applied in a double layer.
Any thoughts on this?

since nobody replied I called DEI today and they actually recommend their floor and tunnel shield for this type of application. They recommend it because the type we've discussed so far is only reflective but not insulative to heat. the floor and tunnel shield does both up to 1700 degrees F and it's adhesive just like the other types and only 3/16ths of an inch thick. they do cost $62 for a 21 X 48 inch peice but I still think it's reasonable. this is the link here
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/DEI-050502/