Cool, so we are all on the same page.
Now enough of this topic..lol

come on jim, post the chart already!!!

we want more vids!!!

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WOW...I say...that's not bad...i usually hear people saying over 10k...but with the painting and all that good stuff just about 5K...give or take is impressive...i saw you having the anti-lag system on....did you leave that activated or off? maybe ill keep in contact with you...I too want to save up money and do what you do, but it seems my price might seem higher because I might need extra hands (maybe from the shop) to help with the work...congrats and i envy you for now...are you doing the awd conversion as well in the future?

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x bazillion
i want to see some speedo vids on the street.

Ok so Tuesday stevenson is gonna grab the run files since we forgot a disc...I had a hard time figuring out this scanner so I'm not sure how great they came out. We have 3 runs on each sheet one with whp and torque and then one with just whp and then one with just torque. Jim will prob post later with more details. Within the week we will try to get a better one to post in the offical dyno sheets thread.





This post has been edited by supershannon77: Feb 7, 2009 - 9:27 PM

Wow spring mod ftw. Look how solid that boost is holding.

Thanks Art, yes the Spring mod made a BIG difference.

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definetly.
dustins wasnt nearly as consistant without it.
he just left, im sure he'll post his charts when he gets home.

again, congrats jim, great work!!

Jim that freakin awesome ! You should of came up here and we could of dyno'ed together !

Great numbers !!

Thanks for the compliments everybody

I cant wait to go back to the dyno it was a great experience, and I wouldnt have changed ANYTHING about the way it went down. I got the car all setup the way I wanted, met some great people, a VERY knowledgeable dyno operator/tuner and had a great time doing it. I will head back to the dyno in the next few weeks to turn up the boost a bit more, so I know how close I am to the knock threshold. But after seeing Dustins dynos, I may not of even had knock WITHOUT the WI at 21psi. I had a short 24psi run (I abruptly let out due to a bad adjustment on the boost controller) and didnt experience ANY knock on the dyno/ through the ECU, or through the Detonation cans....and I made 340whp and 320ftlbs at 4500rpms! If I dont encounter knock until 23+psi, I wont have ANY worries keeping it at 21psi for daily use.

Once I have that out of the way, I will adjust my cam gears at 21psi to see what advantages/power I can further make.

It was a bit Eire/weird first rolling up to the dyno I must admit. It is in a VERY industrial part of Newark, and his shop CERTAINLY doesnt like a shop from the outside . So when they open the garage doors 5-6 (Honda/Integra guys) guys come walking out to see the car/move cars that were in the way. I saw them chuckling and talking to each other, and can only assume they were talking about my car. It has no FMIC so I am sure they pegged me with all show and no go, and probably guessed me at like 150whp . While I was on the dyno Stevenson and Shannon were standing with them. After my first pull on the dyno at 16 psi making 290whp one of the kids walked over to the screen and walked back to his friends saying "this car is the $hit." LOLOLOLOLOL I didnt find this out till later but I thought it was something funny to share. Even the dyno operator had a few questions for me after that. LOL

My car was the first Celica he ever had roll into his shop.....What a way to start.

Looks like we have to post up you 24 psi run so u can show off your 340whp 320ft/lbs

congrats Jim!

jim, next time you go to the dyno, have the guy start the runs a bit earlier.
have him shift to 3rd so that the run starts ~2k rpm.
you'll spool faster, and prolly make more power too.

cant wait to see the diffrence the cam gear tuning makes!

im not trying to rip and i missed it somewhere in the the thread, but why do your numbers seem so low for that boost level? im sure its turbo related. in a 7th gen celica im making 350 HP on 15 psi with a GT30R and im making about 375 at 15 psi on my GT35R

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you really should read the thread before you post.

this is on a STOCK gen 3 3sgte no aftermarket turbo.

gt30 compared to a stock ct20b...very big differents!..15psi on a gt30 is like 25 or more on a ct20b..plus 335 on a stock car..is very good..

This post has been edited by RUNNIN-LOW: Feb 10, 2009 - 3:26 PM

i agree...you gotta do a lot of tuning to get a stock up that high past the 300 number for a used engine...very well done for a stock turbo...now take good care of her and she'll last a while.

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Well no Chacha, it is 100% stock with 0 tuning. Anyone who swaps in a GEN# with intake, exhaust, FCD, and WI will see 320+whp above 19psi. I dont want to take credit away from how AMAZING that is, or lie and say otherwise.....because that is a beautiful thing. This setup is 100% stock GEN3 with the above listed mods. GEN3 FTW.

damn man nice numbers
some questions tho
a stock 3rd gen makes 250bhp, what psi is that at?
what is FCD?
and is a FMIC not necessary if you have WI?

I dont know for sure, but I want to say the stock GEN3 came with 12psi. A FCD = Fuel Cut Defender. When the factory ECU sees 18+ psi, it shuts the car down. With an Active Clamp FCD (which it MUST be an active clamp stlye FCD for GEN3's), you can clamp the voltage for 17-18psi, so the Ecu never sees More pressure than 17-18psi, even tho you are running more......Like in my case, 21psi. You can get away with this on a GEN3 because at 17psi, the stock injectors go 100% duty and dump all the fuel it has....about 340-350whp worth of it .

You do not ever NEED to go FMIC, in fact.....I wont be. The biggest problem with the stock setup above 300whp is the pump. The stock pump flows about 7gpm, I bought an upgraded pump that flows 20gpm that I still need to put in. The upgraded pump puts the coolant into a turbulent state, which the stock pump just can not do. When liquid under goes turbulent flow it is at its highest ability to transfer heat. Next step will be to upgrade the Heat exchanger to a bigger unit. You can go WELL above 400whp efficiently with an upgraded pump like I have, a Larger heat exchanger, and the stock TMIC.

hahaha...i stand corrected...in the future, ill probably be asking you questions if you don't mind...i hope to someday do what you do...first money...then talk

thats why i said it might be turbo related. yes i missed it that he was on the stock turbo. i wasnt trying to rip or bag on the project. its very impressive, especially on my 2nd favorite car in the world. the Supra being #1

man i just read this whole thread.....i can't wait to swap when the time comes.....congrats again Jim...and can't wait to see what the new upgrades bring

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Thanks for the compliments Ian.

LOLOLOL, I cant wait for the new update either Ian, STILL waiting on a few parts.....as seems to have been the story for the past few months now. Well all in due time I suppose.

I never got around to posting my 24psi dyno run, as I never got the chance to upload it:



As the graph shows, even with the addition of my helper spring, I still wasn't able to hold 24.6psi to redline (fell to 21psi by 6000rpms). I Could tighten the spring, and this would allow me to hold any boost pressure that I desire, but a side affect is it also raises your "lowest" boost setting. If I had the time, I would have liked to tighten the helper spring and try a "high boost" run, but my soul purpose was to get the FCD dialed in, and set the boost to the pressure that I wanted to run on the street.....and there is only so much you can do in an hour LOL.

The run ended early here (about 6000rpms) due to boost cut, as this was the first pull I did above the factory 18psi Boost cut, and my FCD still needed to be dialed in. I just thought I would throw this up to show the advantages of water injection (WI). As you can see, even running just washer fluid on pump gas allowed me to take the stock GEN3 setup above 24psi with no signs on Knock. Which is the main reason I feel safe running 21psi daily.

There was still a lot left in this setup, as my cam gears were installed straight up at the time, and my AFRS were still in the mid 10's even at 340+whp. The GEN3 is an amazing platform to start with as it accepts mods like no other.

My car has gone through another massive transformation, but I will touch more on that when its all completed.

good stuff jimbo.
cant wait to see the new setup up and runnin!

LOLOLOL ME EITHER, These part delays are KILLING ME!

I cant wait to see this thing again in person when its running. especially when its all finished!! Give me a call sometime and keep my updated haha. btw, my celica is going to be moving along pretty quickly with the plans i told u about a month ago

finally taking the plunge and upgrading to a real ebay turbo, huh jim?

heck no Jim can't not try and be like me I rock the ebay turbo....he would be a damn follower! lol

Can't wait for ur car to be running so u will be willing to go to local car shows again with me!

Nice numbers! So, without WI, at what PSI would you feel safe to run on street and pump gas? What kind of HP without WI and at what PSI would it be?

Could you send me some pics of your detonations cans? I want to build some but I don't know where to tap the hose end? On the block? On the head? Plz, gimme some info on this! PM me so there will not be any hijack on this thread!

Again : WOW!

Sam