sweet pics, but you already knew that.

Well done guys, looks amazing.

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nice pics jimbo!

looks like shannons getting the hang of her camara!

The blocks really completed the look. Nice job guys.

Thanks guys, I also need to give credit to Erik supersprynt bc I took the pics and he did some work on them in photoshop. Thanks a lot Erik.

This post has been edited by _Jim_: Jan 26, 2009 - 7:34 AM

Very excellent!

No problem - I kinda like the soapy-ness looks kinda neat.

sweeeet

Now how about some videos?

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you have stolen my color, but you havent dissopointed it thats for sure...lookin great man..really lookin forward to vids aswell..i wanna see this beast in action....longer vids would be nice as well

I DEMAND DYNO RESULTS OR BAN!!!!!!!!!

Ok, so I went to the Dyno last night....and I forgot a disk to take home the runfiles. Stevenson will be going back to the Dyno shop on tuesday to pick them up, because the shop is about 10 minutes from his house. So for now, I will just type in the numbers until I can post up the Chart.

16.7psi---------288whp and 252ftlbs
18.5psi---------315whp and 289ftlbs
21.0psi---------330whp and 309ftlbs

As I have said MANY times in the past and in this thread......The CT20B will in fact make more power above 18psi using 93 octane and WI, and it did. I had 0 knock at these boost levels, and I monitored them through the use of Detonation cans, that I built the morning of the dyno. Everyone who thought differently didn't know, and were just repeating what they had heard, and it becomes telephone, and after enough people start repeating it, false statements become facts, and then after a while it seems to be etched in stone, and never bothered with again.....Same goes for this situation, there WAS no real life experiences with a GEN3 and boost levels beyond 17psi with WI on 93 octane. I was willing to be proven wrong, but that's just it......PROVEN....not discouraged not to try. And when I got to the dyno, I had one goal, and that was to monitor knock.....And there was NONE. The car was just as happy at 12psi as it was at 21. Remember, this is a totally stock GEN3 3sgte swap with simple bolt-ons. Bolt ons being Intake, exhaust, FCD, and Water Injection. I am very pleased how this went, and as I said before, I will post up the chart at a later time, when me and Stevenson meet up again. GEN3 FTW

NICE!!!
congrats jim, all the hard work has paid off!
im just happy to be able to say i had a hand in it!

cant wait to see the charts and runfiles!!!!!

best part, dude...










THERE IS STILL MORE IN IT, NOW WE NEED TO DIAL IN THOSE CAMS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

HAHAHAHHA, I was waiting for someone to bring up the cam gears, saying thats the only reason I made that kind of power LOLOLOL. Your right. I have the Cam gears installed straight up (in the same location as stock cam gears), so there is DEFINITELY quite a bit more power to pull out of it. My goal last night was to lock down the FCD, and monitor knock as I turned the boost up. So my next trip to the dyno will be adjusting the cam gears.

I also want to due a few pulls on the Dyno the next time I go back with the WI unplugged and start all over from 16psi. I want to do this for 2 reasons. One being I want to see how much power the WI added due to its intercooling effect, and 2 at what PSI I start to see knock...so I know how far (if any) I am relying on the WI for knock protection.

The Dyno is VERYYYYYYYYY addicting.

That phone call made my fukin night hahaha. congrats man!

This post has been edited by SeverX13: Feb 7, 2009 - 11:48 AM

a little teaser

Thanks for that Stevenson

This was on what kind of dyno?

dynojet 224

Congrads Jim. Thats some nice power.

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Dont take this the wrong way, but keep in mind that a few of us have been around the block for a while now. If we have an opinion on something, it is based on fact, and not just hearsay.

Cant wait to see the run files!

awesome results jim...im glad you pulled that much power out of it...now crank it up to 25psi and lay down 360..hahahha...enjoy it man..it must be a blast to drive around

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Thanks man, I am very pleased.

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No, I respect solid proven Information. I dont care whether it comes from someone who has been around forever, or if it comes from Someone who just joined the site. Solid Proven information doesnt change no matter the amount of years this person has been "around" And this is a perfect example. I can look up the same limited Information as you concerning the GEN3. And all the failures I saw were without WI.......and Some had GREAT success at 20psi without WI (most are around 2005). It was kind of hit or miss there. And that is where the "rumor" that you cant push these turbos past 18psi. So like I said ealier....Rumor turned into "fact" and then became etched in stone, and repeated for years to come.

I knew anything Below 25psi of Boost pressure is safe for the GEN3 pistons.......So the only problem with boosting above 18psi is Heat, causing Knock. So I drew my own conclusion that knock must be around 20psi without WI, so I didnt see any reason why I couldnt do 20psi safely with WI. So I had a plan, I had my Det cans, and all was done on the dyno....And came away with new found PROOF (not hear say) proving that the GEN3 is VERY capable of making safe power above 20psi with WI. So Like I said, I respect and follow PROVEN results, and dont bother listening to hear say, and try not to repeat it.

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OMFG yes, its a blast.

how much was the cost as an overall project?

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The cost of the swap with the Clip, Motor, Eurou lip, LSD trans, Hood, bumper, performance parts, Maintance parts, paint, etc came out to around 5000. Then I sold the old motor, the AWD trans the old non-LSD, Extra mounts, shifter cables ETC. which totaled about 2000. So all in all, it was about 3000 to upgrade to a GEN3 3sgte with LSD E153, and GT4 coversion. All in all, it was DEFFINITLY worth it.

Congrats Jimmy...I'm so happy for you

Jim.... ATS, Hux, Califcarm, etc.. already did what you did. You're acting like you broke some new ground or did something thats never been done before. It has.
What we (or I) were saying is to becareful, because that much boost on pump gas is a bad idea with the ct20b.

Anyway, I dont want to start a huge debate here. So congrants and lets just leave it at that.

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I never claimed to be the first. And I posted/talked about HUX's runs all the time, and I always refer to Califarm. You are wrong that it is unsafe to run that amount of boost, show me proof. Dustin just got off the dyno, and he had very similar results without WI, except he saw knock around 20-21psi. So running my setup with WI and 0 counts of knock detected through the factory ECU, 0 knock detected on the dyno, and 0 knock picked up through the Detonation cans, and AF ratios were under 10.5 all the way to redline....So what is unsafe. I would have the exact same readings across the board if I ran 12 psi....And that is clearly not unsafe, so why would 21psi unsafe, if I may not even be seeing knock there without WI.....And I know for a fact I am not getting ANY knock at 21psi with the WI.

Dyno is one thing, the street is another.
I've made plenty of pulls on the dyno that later knocked on the street under the same boost setting.
All Im saying is to get a turboxs knocklite and remember that this is a peashooter factory turbo thats being pushed to its limits.

Yes I know that a car can still detonate when leaving the dyno.....however unlikly in these conditons, it may still be a possibilty. Its not like I dont have a Knock detection/prevention system in the car.

I took the car home that night from leaving the dyno with the Detonation cans in place. I had Joe listen the whole ride up the highway and still encountered 0 knock. I will leave them in the car and will listen from time to time for an entire year.....at all different temperatures and weather conditions......which is far better than a Knock light that probably wont read knock any sooner than the Stock ECU will. And if the stock ECU senses knock the ECU will pull timing, which I will feel. Dont be so worried/skeptical.......like I said, I am not going about this blindly.

This post has been edited by _Jim_: Feb 7, 2009 - 5:16 PM