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jim, you must have been WASTED last night.

D, the ATS cam gears are pretty sweet, and were EASY to install. we'll see how well they work here at the dyno in a few weeks.

we REALLY wanted to get the 205 at least in the bay yesterday, but, with the clutch disk issue we ran into, i just couldnt see taking the chance.
the problem is that it seems to me like the springs are "pushing" theyre way out of the disk, the little metal tabs that keep the springs in place are quite deformed, and some of them are actually breaking off in little peices on the ends.

shannon, post the pics i had you take yesterday of the disk, maybe some of the guys will have an opinion on how that disk looks.

from what ive read it seems like this is a somewhat "common" issue with the spec disks, which is kind of a bummer.

like i told jim "its up to you if you want to reuse it, but do you really want to take the chance?" IMO its just not worth it.
theyre sending pics over to spec, to see what they have to say about it, i could very well just be being overly carefull, but i figure its always better to be on the safe side when it comes to that kind of stuff.

so, we just worked on getting all the 205 work buttoned up so that they can bring the motor and car up to me to finish up for them.
its just much easier doing the work up here, where i have everything i need at hand.
j & j and crew got alot done with the space and tools they had available, but with Jenn getting ready to have the baby, we just cant be traveling down to nj for the next couple weekends to give the guys a hand wrapping things up, so they are bringing the car and the motors up to me, and we'll be finishing things up here.
jim and i worked up a deal for the 2nd gen motor that was in the car, which i will be getting in exchange for the work we will be doing to his car and shannons 5sfte powered monster over the next few months.
look for a few more additions to the infamous "shannons 3s swap nightmare" post i made a while back about this setup once i get the motor here and start tearing into that thing.
what a mess.
im just glad that will be over for jim, this 3rd gen setup is gonna be much better in every way. and, its a WRC edition motor to boot, which is cool, even if it is just for bragging rights!! BWAHAHAHAHA

What did your research uncover about the standard ST205 and the WRC ST205, Jim?

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The WRC and the standard ST205 are identical in almost every way except for the fact the WRC has a lot more goodies on it. A WRC came with factory water injection, factory intercooler/heat exchanger sprayer, Antilag system, heat "protection" piece between the header and the TMIC, the hood comes stock with the hood spoiler. The Water injection, intercooler/heat exchanger sprayer, and the anti lag system all come inactive in the street version of the WRC, and only the race car had the ECU to control all of these features. But that doesn't mean we cant get them to work .

The factory water/meth injection nozzle (which looks like a GEN2 Cold Start Injector) comes Installed into the bottom of the throttle body on the WRC edition, which is going be a big help in getting my devils own kit to work on the GEN3. Manny will get a better look at it when he has the motor up there. The problem with the standard ST205 is that when trying to install the nozzle of the devils own kit, you need to install it between the intercooler and the throttle body. The problem here is that the only place to install the nozzle is about 2 inches long and is made of rubber so installing there is not an option. For my setup, with the WRC already having the CSI I have a couple of options. We can try to gut the electronics and drill out the holes of the CSI to the same size holes the devils own claims is X gph (for example 1/8" hole = 5gph's etc). Or option 2 is to completely take the CSI out, as Manny mentioned and cut a 3/8 think flange out of aluminum and drill out the 2 bolt holes and tap in the nozzle that comes with the Devils Own kit and installing it all back together with a GEN2 CSI gasket. Option 2 sounds a bit better because it will be a lot easier to change nozzles when the time comes, instead of taking out the CSI and drilling bigger holes.


The factory intercooler/heat exchanger sprayer also comes inactive on the WRC street car, but I should be able to get around that as well with very little work. The intercooler/heat exchanger sprayer is mounted on the inside of the JDM crash bar, it comes with 3 nozzles pointed at the heat exchanger all on a continuous line that runs to the window washer tank. You cant believe the amount of stuff that is on the WRC window washer fluid tank, it has more wires, pumps, hoses, etc. I believe I read somewhere that the pump for the intercooler/heat exchanger sprayer is a working pump (which also supplies fluid for the water/meth injection), and all that is required to get it working is to wire it in. Well I couldn't find information on when it comes on, how long it sprayers for, or even if it does spray with out a switch. All that I read was that it could be wired in, but made no mention of to control the spray. Realistically I will only need the intercooler/heat exchanger sprayer to work when I am at WOT and wanting to cool the intake charge as much as possible. So based on the lack of information on the factory pump, I will install a new pump in place of the factory pump and connect all the factory lines that go the intercooler/heat exchanger sprayer to the new pump. As for wiring I will tap the power source for the pump to the wire off the Devils Own kit that sends power to the water injection pump so that way I only use the intercooler/heat exchanger sprayer when needed at WOT. So basically when the water injection starts spaying at 11psi, so will the intercooler/heat exchanger sprayer.

As far as the antilag system goes, I am not going to fool around with that for now because I really don't have a need for it. The pea shooter ct20b spools plenty fast on its own and doesn't need any help. I have some ideas for the antilag, but they aren't going to come into play until I am ready to upgrade to a bigger turbo. And no not all all antilag systems will destory turbos. Many EVO's use antilag and hold up just fine turbo/motor. I will do more research on this to see what makes the EVO antilag system less harsh compared to other systems. I obviously cannot use the antilag system like the WRC race car had, but with the plumbing in place, I do have a few options. Just need time, and a bigger turbo to make it all worth considering. In due time.

This post has been edited by _Jim_: Sep 22, 2008 - 7:51 PM

You write too much Jim. I don't even want to read that, I'll just ask Manny later...

where are the pictures!?!

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LOLOL I suppose you are right, that is a lot to take in. I went into detail because not everyone has the advantage to "just ask Manny" LOLOL. I took a bunch of pictures on Shannon's phone but apparently I saved them to the phone and not the sim car, so she has to locate some "cord" or something to put it on the computer.

Um Jim First off it wasn't a phone..you use a phone to make phone calls it was a camera ..a digital camera and yea u saved it to the camera bc I had the card in my computer at that time...since i never directly connect my camera to my computer I have to figure out were I put it...so I hope tonight I can find it...but yea the swap is pretty cool I'm just sitting back and watching them work but yea they are making process and spending lots of money.

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GF's are great at finding your every flaw

ok, so, jim and shannon came up last weekend, and dropped off the motors, and chassis to me.

we've been waiting on a clutch disk, and have ordered some new OEM parts for the car and motor, and hopfully will be getting things up and running here real soon.

in the meantime, i had jimbo bring me up some reflective heat tape, to wrap the bottom of his intercooler with, much like Dustin did on his 205 swap and the UK guys like to do.

a couple pics:

the stuff we used. we got it from www.summitracing.com . IIRC it was ~51$, for a 4'X3' peice, which is PLEANTY to do the IC twice, and still have lots left over for god knows what! lol



the IC before:




starting the first layer:




2nd layer:







we also picked them up an oil filter sandwich plate from www.twosrus.com , because with the 205 IC and associated lines, ect, there really isnt enough room for the oil pressure sender where most people normally put it.

just as an FYI, the oil filter threads are 3/4-16.



more to come soon!

Damn - nice wrap job Pressure. I love these EC swap threads

ooh yeah to add to _jim_ wrc set up..the wrc motor comes with steel turbines 74080 which in the stock non-wrc st205 they come with ceramic turbine 74040. thats why the wrc has the anti-lag system the turbo itself can handle much more then a ceramic ct20b. just my little add on to this post..

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even the WRC version that came from the factory will not be able to handle the anti lag system that is installed in the wrc 205. hence why TTE replaced the turbos after every rally.

the steel wheeled 20b's are definetly alot less likley to shatter than the ceramic ones with higher than normal boost.

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yes of course. your right the wrc version steel turbine 20b wont be able to handle the anti-lag system for long..but it would be able to handle more then a ceramic turbine 20b. im guessing thats why they put the 74080 steel turbine 20b into the wrc version st205. but with a big pocket or sponsors you can blow threw anything and not worry. so the point of me adding on to jims wrc motor is that it comes with a steel turbine ct20b..not a non-wrc ceramic ct20b.
people will argue that the steel turbine is better and others would say the ceramic turbine is better. but who really know. all i know and have read on, is that the steel turbine ct20b can handle more abuse then the ceramic one. but correct me if im wrong.

and yes exactly what i was going to say...that they do replace the turbo after ever race..haha i didnt see your edit

This post has been edited by RUNNIN-LOW: Oct 6, 2008 - 10:51 AM

more pics pics pics!!! Finally

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^ We will put the steel wheel to the test and see what it thinks of 21psi

haha at 20 psi i got 304 to the wheel and 286lb of touque..with devil/meth injection..fuel pressure reg and the power fc..tune at 93oc havent tried it with race gas but yeah that was my sheets. ive heard that its really stresses the turbo at that psi, but some mr2 guys have been doing 20psi daily and have no problems. so yeah yours might be close to that or maybe more depends on the tuner and you have cam. but yeah your motor looks sexy i remember mine when i had it out like that and replacing everything. good luck with the tune..and install

Yea MANY mr2's have been pushing 20 on ct20b's daily, so I am not worried. You are running meth injection currently? I would like to see your setup and where you installed the nozzle, I have the factory water injection to work with so im set, but I would like to see where you installed your nozzle. I wont be getting it tuned, there is no need. At 17 psi it dumps all the fuel it has anyway. I would like to see your dyno sheet.

This post has been edited by _Jim_: Oct 6, 2008 - 8:47 PM

alright ill post it up tomorrow..i have a wrc too but i trashed the stock water injection set up i didnt like where it was or how it was..the nozzle is drilled in like 5 to 8 inches away from my throttle body on the ic pipe. ill take pictures tomorrow and post up my sheet tomorrow after i gt off work tomorrow

If the picture of the GEN3 is the one you have in your profile, you do not have a WRC.

Did you guys powercoat that intake manifold, valve cover and heat shield?
Im impressed. Motor looks great and a color choice for the coating is excellent.
Props for doing things right.

Thanks Art, but no. It is actually autozone High Temp paint, there highest rated paint "2000*" Yea I liked the color because it wasn't so much "bling", it was more of a clean looking install.

Looks really good for rattle can.

Thanks man I took my time, like I said from the start, I am in no rush with this project. All is looking good so far, it is only a matter of time now. I ordered the new ACT disc, and took off the pieces I needed off my old tranny and will be shipping it off to Manny tomorrow. It should be fun. o0o0o0o0o and you should come to Island dragway with us on the weekend of November 8. Anyone that is local and looking to get some 1/4 mile runs in should come, or anyone looking to just bug out for weekend should come. Thanks again Art

haha im surprise that you say that jim.. you only see one side of the car and not a up close picture of the motor. how can you tell if its not a wrc or not.. not to say that your the only one that has the wrc on here but yes i do have one..and from the picture you cant tell nothing from it....ill show you pictures of the dyno sheets and my motor but yeah please do not say i dont have a wrc motor..or a 3rd gen. cause if any other person looks at your motor and mine they wont be able to tell the differents...just ask all the minnesota people on this site and all the mr2oc guys they know i do...so dont doubt me just cause i dont post fancy things like you guys do..

LOLOLOL I must have struck a nerve, LOLOLOLOL well there is ONE HUGE way of telling whether or not you have a WRC or not......and that is the heat shield. The heat shield on the wrc and the standard ST205 are very different. By looking at your profile, you have the standard st205 heat shield.....or so it seems from the picture. If it is just the angle of the camera, then I am wrong LOL it happens, trust me. If you could post up a couple of pictures of your motor, it will be very easy to tell if you have a WRC or not. Im not saying I am the only one with a WRC LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL because I could care less.

haha you didnt strike a nerve or anything..its just funny that when someone points out things..haha ive had my motor for a little longer then a year now and i know whats wrong and good about it. i dont like the anti-lag system cause it blows turbos and i use my car for daily driving i dont need it to super spool everytime i do something wierd and end up getting my car stolen from the little car theives around here. i never had the stock heat shield cause when i got the bare motor it was crushed from shipping so i had to get a stock 205 one. also im surprise you even notice the heat shield cause i did too. thats good you care less cause i care less too..and please dont say i use these excuses to cover up anything cause if you was my buddies you would have been there when i got my motor. sorry i dont have people like you guys that know everything.. all i know is that i work on my motor myself and figure out things on my own. i just dont send it out and then read about my motor and bust people out when they dont say the right thing...so please dont take this to the heart we are all 6gc owners here and know our own motors....we know what we can do and what we cant. some people just dont have the time, money, and thing to show everyone what they can get and brag about it.

so yeah just wait for my new tread to open and then youll see all the stuff i have on my motor but till then my bad for messen up your tread....thanks anyways

The factory anti-lag is not activated. You can still have the tubes and everything in place and not affect drive abilty. Just a little FYI. So you put the stock st205 heat shield over the WRC exhaust manifold and anti-lag tubes?

i remove the anti-lag manifold i didnt want it!! i got a stock ct26 manifold FYI so yeah im so surprise did i push a button or something on you too???so sorry... didnt mean to push those buttons....im sorry i forgot to explain everything i do to my own motor..maybe i had to just send it out and let someone else do it../shrug

well ill edit this cause you know i dont need everyone on my case..i know if you need someone to get your motor done right..i know pressure is the man and all but yeah please dont get one my case and try to put me down.

This post has been edited by RUNNIN-LOW: Oct 7, 2008 - 8:51 PM

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There is nothing wrong with having Manny do work for us....so many members here have or would have him help if they had a chance..Whats wrong with having him work on it when we no he is gonna get it done faster and he is gonna get it done right...and he teaches us everything..he has thought us so much.

With reading this post over and over something just doesnt seem right...I mean where are the dyno sheets and the pictures...you keep saying over and over your gonna post them so then just post them...See thats why you have a problem with us(Me Manny Jim Dustin Steff) who ever else..bc we dont sit here talking we just do...in no way do any of us brag we are just happy with what we have and we like to help other members out so we post up complete details of our set ups and how we went about doing it.

You didnt want the anitlag manifold? Why not?

I am personally offend bc you make it out to be bad to have someone help you with your setup...in that case every member here who has asked for help is not as capable as you are..and I guess you are better then the rest and that's why you don't post up your threads on everything you do..bc the threads of your setup are to good for the members here to learn off of.

In no way am I jealous of ur setup or amazed by it...I enjoy reading about real people who think of different things to make there celica stand out...it might be with a turbo .. or ...with a paint job .. or ...with a radio .. or ...with doing something different with the lights..I enjoy reading that thread and getting a good feeling while reading it bc you can tell how proud the member is for doing something to there car.

You may or may not have a wrc to be honest I don't care it doesn't change what I have it doesnt make my car less of a car nor does it make Jim's but you just enjoy driving you wrc...Because your the only person that has to enjoy your car...to me I still feel like your trying to convince yourself that you have something amazing that your driving. Just be happy with what you got.