you expect us to see that tiny dyno sheet

you no I try to be so helpful and try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt but you hit a nerve by saying something is wrong with having Manny do my work.

Before I read that I was cool. Sorry but that I can't swallow to easy.

This post has been edited by supershannon77: Oct 7, 2008 - 9:21 PM

i love the way you talk shannon why cant people just talk logic like you ?? i myself dont care what everyone else have have on here i was just tryin to state to everyone and to let everyone know that yes a wrc st205 turbo has a steel turbine..and of course i would love for pressure to work on my car, but see we up north dont have that luxury to do so or everyone else. and yes we all love the way you post all of yah cool stuff on the forums and yes my bad for not having a better picture of the dyno sheet and yeah maybe ill prove yah wrong..but yes i didnt want the anti-lag cause like i said i use my car as a daily driver and yeah it does rune turbos and yes i am just a person who doesnt have all the money in the world to just buy turbos...and i dont have any other cars...and yes i do help everyone with there set up, what i know..but i dont have time to do all that stuff. if the car was there i would be able to help them out. like you Manny Jim Dustin Steff....
ooh yeah did i ever post it on here over and over that i was going to post my sheet i just did since people are so much in a rush there u go..sorry its so small. but yeah ill do it again when i have time..remember when i have time. ill do it just for yah to see..so please dont hate me we are all family and help each other out here..i dont put anyone down on here..i dont say im the best i dont say that i know everything i just say..please do not put me down cause im not a friend and cause i dont post everything i have.. trust me i do have all of that..and yes i do give props to people that do give there ideas out.. ooh yeah i dont have anything to be amazed about i just have a car that is dead and waiting to be alive....thats not amasing its pretting sad to me...

so if yah want delete what i said and what i posted on this tread cause i maybe, just runed it for yah...so please do get mad and just rag on me for your right of mind cause if you see me i do have the things to prove it..alot of love to both of yah 6gc onwers you and jim...!!!!

I never said I didnt believe you..I just feel like you are putting both Jim and I down for having Manny do our work...so I responded the only way I could...Jim and I dont have money to be throwing around either believe me...we were just lucky to have Manny help us when our tire fell off at the csp meet a few years ago since then we became good friends...Jim also was doing all the work on this swap but him and Manny worked out a deal so Manny took over..I think its better bc he will be able to do it better then we ever could.

Again I really dont want to be negative or didnt want to be I am sorry but I felt personally attacked.

sorry I blew up to that extent..

ooo and can you explain this "i love the way you talk shannon why cant people just talk logic like you ?? " was that sarcastic..what do you mean by it?

im over this if you are

oo one last thing...not trying to be mean but I found it kinda funny...why is your photo bucket account name missanne0422 lol didnt expect that... gf I am guessing.

This post has been edited by supershannon77: Oct 7, 2008 - 10:09 PM

yes of courselike you she helps me out like that too...and she has all my picutres and my camra

This post has been edited by RUNNIN-LOW: Oct 7, 2008 - 10:10 PM

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Jim has done a lot of homework, that's why he can tell with one pic. I remember seeing pics of your motor when you were asking questions about plugs and things, I didn't see any WRC things in those pics, but maybe I was wrong.

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I have respect your you for finishing your own swap but I distinctly remember you brought your car to a local tuner shop to have the swap done for you and after too much time there you took the car back with problems, and they're out of business now or something.

Not everyone has time to do their own swap as I'm sure you probably didn't (hence you bringing it somewhere to get swapped). Jim is having presure2 do his swap. I can't stress enough how much Jim has learned about his motor and the entire process. Jim also trusts Manny's judgement and experience (for some reason ) and I basicly see it as a friend helping a friend.

put this aguement to bed, it's dumb.
Running-low, can you post up better pics of your motor/set up, that would end this real easy.

Hey no worries. He's serious. John has a WRC just had to do a lot of stripping down. I can understand where he is coming from because if you order just the motor set like I did you will get a bunch of crushed and dented parts, so being that it is a WRC making it uber rarehe had to settle for less. But its cool. My 2nd gen runs harder than his does. LOL LMAO. lol..... JK bro. Well good luck with the build Jim and Shannon. O btw what is exactly happening to the 2nd gen? Is it going to Manny or is Shannon just going to scrap the 5sfTe and go 3s?

haha sorry batman but that wasnt my car man..i was helping my buddy out... like you said i was a friend helping a friend, is that dumb...so yeah im not going to even start this again im tired of it..manny is cool and yeah that cool they made a deal so yeah keep it cool gosh i feel like im raggin on everyone..

and yeah when you saw those pictures i had everything done to it and what i didnt want off of it.. so yeah ..i didnt have time to finish my swap thats why it took me over 4 months to do it..with research and all i finished it when my buddy was movin out...

This post has been edited by RUNNIN-LOW: Oct 7, 2008 - 10:33 PM

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I'm not saying he doesn't have a wrc, I just want to see the pics.

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so it was someone elses st205 motor you were asking about ?

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so it was a wrc motor (wasn't your car) and now it's in your car ?

I'm curious about this...

The questions were for his buddies 2nd gen swap. People were getting confused with Johns 3rd gen. Johnny boy has a 3rd gen his buddie with swap issues has a 2nd gen.

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I am keeping my 5sfTe..haha I am in love with it ...but Manny has big plans for the 3s...his wifes car is the 5sfte he has his own gt that I believe he is putting the 2nd gen in.

Nice!!! I hope goes well for Manny. I can't wait to see what he put into it.

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I was refering to these posts
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=47883
http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=49068

I don't remeber reading any about 2nd gen swaps, only the 3rd gen.

again, this entire thing is dumb. I just read though a bunch of his old posts and there is no mention of a WRC motor, until this thread. I'm not saying he doesn't have a wrc motor but anyone can say anything and when you can't suppy any pics/proof of anything to back it up, people get suspicious.

John has a wrc.

John's buddy had issues with his gen2 3s.

RSmotors took the work, but didn't finish it, and they messed it up.

John had a issue with his 3rd gen because he used a 2nd gen "something" but then got everything cleared and now running good.

John made 304whp.

I've seen and met John. If you guys want to do more research on John. I'm sure ScrowcrowX aka Karl can give it to you, Karl is a god at MR2oc.

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I don't know why you guys are arguing over who has a wrc or not. I mean, who cares? Its still a 3rd gen motor, and doesn't make any more power. It just has a few extra things that are not even functional.

Btw running-low, a ct26 manifold will not fit a 3rd gen motor.

ITS OK!!! arguing just brings us all closer together...i bet if we all was to stand here and talk this wouldnt even be a issue hahah ..but we all live far far apart from each and if we ever meet we can all sit and laugh about this...ooh yeah lagos your right or should i go back and re edit my post..haha j/k man its all cool now..no worry

back on topic.

we got jims new clutch disk in last week, and wow, what a diffrence between the 2.

the new disk is an ACT stage 3 disk, 6 puck sprung hub.

his old disk was a spec stage 2 or 3, i cant remember at the moment.

some pics, and notes about the 2 as we go.

first, the 2 disks, flywheel side up.



first, the obvious.
the ACT disks springs are much larger, and the 6 pad disk, VS the specs smaller springs, and segmented disk.

now the problem i had with the spec disk.
this is a close up of a spring on the flywheel side.
notice how the little tabs that hold the spring in place are VERY worn, and are breaking off in little peices...this is the better of the 2 sides, wait till you see the other side.
this clutch only has a couple thousand miles on it, tops.
IMO those springs were on theyre way to poping right out.
i will be sending these pics over to spec as well, to see what they have to say.



now a pic of the ACT spring (flywheel side) for refrence.
notice how the "tabs" are much thicker, and seem to be made in a much stronger fashion in general.



now the PP side.
first, the 2 disks together.



now a closeup of a spring on the pressure plate side.
again notice the damage to the spring "tab"



the ACT version:



and one more pic of the spec disk, just for the hell of it.



now that we have just about everything we need, im starting to tear into everything and get it all preped to go into the bay.
i will have to drill and tap 2 holes for the shifter arm in the LSD tranny jim got, the mounting bosses are there, but no holes, so i will do that tommorow, and continue with the other engine bay, and motor prep stuff i have left to do till the flywheel is done on monday or tuesday, and if all goes as planned the motor will go in next weekend as long as jenn dont have the baby before then!!

Thank you - that post illustrates a point I was making to someone the other day better than words can describe.

that clutch had less than 3000 miles on it

a few more pics..

so the tranny is converted to FWD, the arm with the 2 bolts in it is the 2 bolt holes i had to drill and tap.
i used the stock 10X1.25 thread bolts that were in the tranny in the RWD position, so no worries about it not being strong enough or whatever.



and the shifter cable bracket and speed sensor installed.



now a couple cool pics.
since jim has the WRC, which comes from the factory with a water injection system, (not active however) we decided it would be best to just use that location for the WI kit that jim already has installed.
we toyed with the idea of using the factory injector, but with jims plans, it will be much easier to control the amount of fluid injected with the aftermarket setup.
however, just a few notes and pics of the factory setup, as an FYI for future searches.

for all you 2nd gen guys, this will look very familiar.
it appears to me that this wi system uses the same "injector" as the 2nd gen cold start injector, and it is installed in the same location as the CSI is on the 2nd gen.
it uses the same style c-clip for the plug, and has the same banjo bolt setup, but insead of going to the fuel rail, it attaches to a normal "Vacume" style line, which runs thru the fender to the WW fluid tank.
cool stuff. a couple pics of the injector, beside the aftermarket setup:



and a couple of the nozzles:





tonight, imma go out to the garage, and get the ball joint off the car, that got destroyed when the wheel fell off the car at CSP 06.
the bolts that hold the ball joint to the arm rubbed on the ground when the wheel fell off, and it basicly ground the head off...ill prolly end up just cutting the damn thing off. lol
pics of that, and the machined flywheel later.

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Hella nice work - looks stock as hell - just like I like it!
You should see the hack job an older member and I did on his MR2T e153 waaaay back in the day - disgraceful but functional. he didn't care tho I guess - that's just not how I like to work.

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No sh*t - pretty ingenious of them. Toyota always does cool little stuff like that when they upgrade things - makes it cheaper on them and useful for us as well when we mod stuff.

Keep up the good work and the updates - you guys seem to always be one step ahead of me which helps me when the time comes. My e153 should be on it's way right now as a matter of fact. Still got to sort the spacer thing out tho.

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yea, jims car is an oddball in the fact that with the setup that was in there, he has no spacers, and ::knocks on wood:: never had an axle problem.
im just hoping it continues to work as well with the new setup.

another update,

dustin and steff came by yesterday, and since dustin is the wiring king of JDM guy, he REPINNED the body harness to accept the 205 EA1 plug, which is an awesome thing, since that also includes the intercooler pump wiring ect.
i cant stress how cool this is.
he also did a wire or 2 for one of the interior plugs.

heres a pic of the 205 EA-1 plug, installed in the car:



iirc the pins to the far left are the IC pump and FP stuff, all the others have been pinned in from the stock wiring harness.

jim owes D big time for that one..lol

we also ended up getting another pressure plate.
the spec one got all rusted from getting wet on the ride up here, and to be honest, after the whole spec fiasco, im just glad jim had the money to afford a new PP
so, we got him the ACT HD PP, to go with his ACT disk, and got him an OEM throw out bearing:

sorry for the blurry pic:


now for a change of pace for a sec, a little exterior.
jim is a HUGE fan of the forgmann lip for the '4, so when he saw one on ebay a few weeks ago,he jumped on it.
unfortunately, it was located in hong kong, and in order to ship it, it had to be cut in half.
he still bought it, and had it shipped here.
when i got it, my mouth dropped. it looked like the guy who owned it, hit everything but the lottery with it, it had cracks and splits all over it, both corners that wrap into the fenderwells were cracked, and were being held in place by electrical tape.
a few pics of the lip when i got it:







between the previous damage, and the thing being cut in half, i was a little worried about how it would look, and more importantly fit once it was fixed.
so, i took it into work, and had our best guy work on it.
i think he did a pretty damn good job, the pics tell the whole story.













thats with nothing holding it on, just placed on the car, thats it.

the motor goes in this weekend!

Wow...Manny awesome they did an awesome job on the lip..you would never no the damage by the looks of it...Jim is going to be so happy when he gets home tomorrow.

I cant wait to see the finally job...Jim is really excited!!!!

We love you guys THANK YOU!!!!!!!

good Job with the lip..that came out well...just my personal oppinion ( i know it doesnt mean much) but i think that the gt-four front end looks best left alone...but i dont believe i have seen this lip before so im excited to see what the end result will look like....great thread and amazing work so far guys and girls...keep it up...0h and jim awesome write up on the difference between the base st205 and the WRC..i have been wondering the differences for a while now...Good luck and keep us updated!

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i tend to not be a fan of lips, i was just amazed at the fitment of it, especially after the damage it had.
more pics coming in a few

just a quick pic for jim, this is the WI nozzle installed in the factory WRC WI location.



i also installed the PS stuff out of the 205, so now that should be all set, installed the new throttle cable as well, and all the brackets on the tranny ect.
in a bit im going out to get the motor off the stand to do the rear main, and install the clutch, and joe is gonna come by a little later to help install the tranny (damnit that e153 is heavy compared to the s54!!) and then the motor goes in!

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Good job......you guys think you can teach me some stuff? Lip repair.....and most importantly that water injection? Let me know

the lip was done at my work. (maaco in fall river)
as for the WI, there are a few great threads that explain how and why we use it, here are a couple links.

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=44470&hl= a great post by lagos on how he installed WI on his 2nd gen 3s.

http://www.6gc.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=44675&hl= my post about my install.

a better thing to do would be to research over on mr2oc, search by user name "califarm"
hes had some amazing posts about what he has done with WI, using washer fluid, then straight methanol for LOTS more power over the stock setup.