Etak28

#61

hey i was wondering if you have the option between two different part # of injectors?

do you have to get the rx7 460cc red tops part number 195500-2010?


or can you get the rx7 460cc red tops below
86-87 13B NT low square center 460cc red 195500-1350

the first are described as having a high rounded center and are what many of you guys use for this 5sfte project
and the second are as it says low square center....

or does anyone have any? or any suggestions on where to get them

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Muggs

#62

I believe the 1350's require a resistor. the 2010's are plug and play.

Etak28

#63

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QUOTE (Muggs @ Oct 21, 2008 - 11:33 PM)

>I believe the 1350's require a resistor. the 2010's are plug and play.

if this is correct, how hard is the resistor to find/do?

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LewFX

#64

you can take off the harness and plug in the ends to the inside of the injector connectors, just get the right ones and its plug and play

Etak28

#65

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QUOTE (LewFX @ Oct 22, 2008 - 12:45 AM)

>you can take off the harness and plug in the ends to the inside of the injector connectors, just get the right ones and its plug and play

so ur sayin i should get the 195500-2010 and not mess with ones that need resistors... k

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Etak28

#66

can any one verify that these are the correct 195500-2010 injectors for my car based off looks?
even tho i kno the high impedance 1350's look very similar

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presure2

#67

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QUOTE (Etak28 @ Oct 25, 2008 - 2:10 AM)

>can any one verify that these are the correct 195500-2010 injectors for my car based off looks?
even tho i kno the high impedance 1350's look very similar

they look like em, but hard to say without being able to see the pt #.

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Etak28

#68

so i have a question...

i have the oil running thru my turbo but the turbo is not hooked up to my intercooler piping yet and i was just checking if it was working, however, i do have a hole where the wastegate will go and no dp yet.........

here's the question, is it bad if the turbo isn't spinning???????????????/

or is it because of the hole after the manifold but before the turbo at the wastegate adapter because there is no wastegate there yet?

im not panicing but im thinkin its bc of the hole or because a lack of back pressure.

any help???

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Etak28

#69

^^^^^^^^^^^ anyone?

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DEATH

#70

The escaping exhaust gases have two exits on your current setup - out the probably large hole for the WG or across the turbine blades which will require some of it's energy to be partially transformed into rotational energy on the Turbo shaft. Which way do you think they will go?
I would think a properly lubricated and free spinning Turbo would spin some tho - it is in the direct exhaust stream after all.

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Etak28

#71

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QUOTE (DEATH @ Oct 27, 2008 - 3:45 PM)

>The escaping exhaust gases have two exits on your current setup - out the probably large hole for the WG or across the turbine blades which will require some of it's energy to be partially transformed into rotational energy on the Turbo shaft. Which way do you think they will go?
I would think a properly lubricated and free spinning Turbo would spin some tho - it is in the direct exhaust stream after all.

thats what i would think, a little spin....SOMETHING....

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6strngs

#72

you have the the very large hole in the adaptor for an external wastegate which would allow most, if not all the air to escape. Not only that, but you also have a hole for an internal wastegate in the turbo (which becomes blocked off when you get the downpipe) which would probably allow any other air to escape. I also assume you are just cranking the engine over, not actually starting it, which means your rpm would be less than 500 rpm which means you have very little air coming through in the first place.

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Etak28

#73

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QUOTE (6strngs @ Oct 27, 2008 - 11:17 PM)

>you have the the very large hole in the adaptor for an external wastegate which would allow most, if not all the air to escape. Not only that, but you also have a hole for an internal wastegate in the turbo (which becomes blocked off when you get the downpipe) which would probably allow any other air to escape. I also assume you are just cranking the engine over, not actually starting it, which means your rpm would be less than 500 rpm which means you have very little air coming through in the first place.

yea thats what i was figuring... u kno it works tho right man?

oh yea and one more general question,,, for the downpipe i will need 3 bungs correct? 2 for the original sensors and 1 for my wideband.

i assume 3 since i believe you have to use the original two and im using a wideband


just correct me if im wrong

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6strngs

#74

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QUOTE (Etak28 @ Oct 27, 2008 - 8:58 PM)

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QUOTE (6strngs @ Oct 27, 2008 - 11:17 PM)

>you have the the very large hole in the adaptor for an external wastegate which would allow most, if not all the air to escape. Not only that, but you also have a hole for an internal wastegate in the turbo (which becomes blocked off when you get the downpipe) which would probably allow any other air to escape. I also assume you are just cranking the engine over, not actually starting it, which means your rpm would be less than 500 rpm which means you have very little air coming through in the first place.

yea thats what i was figuring... u kno it works tho right man?

oh yea and one more general question,,, for the downpipe i will need 3 bungs correct? 2 for the original sensors and 1 for my wideband.

i assume 3 since i believe you have to use the original two and im using a wideband


just correct me if im wrong

well, I never used it on a car, but the turbine spins by finger and it's completely rebuilt so I'd be very surprised if it didn't. and yeah, you'll need 3 o2 bungs. one of the stock ones requires the two-bolt flange, which you can get from koracing.net

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Etak28

#75

thanks again man

so how do you adjust timing on our car for tuning purposes? also what are you guys running through the rpms?

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Etak28

#76

dont fret guys, not that you were, but the turbooooooo works! i covered up the holes and it's all good now.

also oil is running through finally so everything is golden now.. pictures will come this weekend of the setup


now here is my list of things to do

--Fix oil pan leaks by getting new gasket-tomorrow
--Get dp with 3 bungs -get quote tomorrow
-------buy injectors
-------buy lc-1 kit for my prosport afr gauge

finish wiring and hooking up wastegate, bov, turbo timer, manual boost controller, and then the lc1 kit/gauges


ill keep ya posted!

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6G94celica

#77

hey man like i said hit me up when your working on it, ill come out there and help. i think i got some vac lines at home but there red and silver.

Etak28

#78

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QUOTE (6G94celica @ Nov 4, 2008 - 8:19 PM)

>hey man like i said hit me up when your working on it, ill come out there and help. i think i got some vac lines at home but there red and silver.

ya bro no doubt i will soon. just ordering a bunch of stuff right now tho

hey i have two more questions

1. Where did you run the hose that normally went into the bottom of the intake, i believe it's the tps

2. If you don't have an intake running off the turbo right away, what do you do with that line that goes from the valve cover to the intake??


I kno what to do with the Intake Air Sensor, however, those two lines^^^^^^^^ I'm not exactly sure. Help?

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presure2

#79

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QUOTE (Etak28 @ Nov 5, 2008 - 6:31 PM)

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QUOTE (6G94celica @ Nov 4, 2008 - 8:19 PM)

>hey man like i said hit me up when your working on it, ill come out there and help. i think i got some vac lines at home but there red and silver.

ya bro no doubt i will soon. just ordering a bunch of stuff right now tho

hey i have two more questions

1. Where did you run the hose that normally went into the bottom of the intake, i believe it's the tps

2. If you don't have an intake running off the turbo right away, what do you do with that line that goes from the valve cover to the intake??
thats not the TPS, TPS is short for throttle position sensor.

its an air bypass hose, just cap it.

if you dont hook that hose up to some sort of intake, pre turbo, your car is going to smoke like crazy.


I kno what to do with the Intake Air Sensor, however, those two lines^^^^^^^^ I'm not exactly sure. Help?

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Etak28

#80

thanks manny

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Etak28

#81

here's some teaser pics of my setup--- haven't updated in a while, but everything is done except i need my downpipe made and a little wastegate bend... and tune












I Do have a question tho. What is the stock injector size for our 5sfe? I need to know what I pulled out for my tuning software, and for some reason i cant find it anywhere...

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Etak28

#82

k so from what i gathered from bccentaur3, 5sfe stock injectors are 213cc

going with that!

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6strngs

#83

these aren't the finished pics are they? I still see you need an intake, wastegate, downpipe, and oil filter relocation.

the oil lines look great though. and it's good to see my turbo will be put to good use . you have the top part of that T-fitting for the oil feed line blocked off, right?

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Etak28

#84

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QUOTE (6strngs @ Dec 2, 2008 - 2:42 AM)

>these aren't the finished pics are they? I still see you need an intake, wastegate, downpipe, and oil filter relocation.

the oil lines look great though. and it's good to see my turbo will be put to good use . you have the top part of that T-fitting for the oil feed line blocked off, right?

no they're not the finished pics. everything is done that u just asked about cept the wg and dp.


i'm having a problem tho, possibly with the 2 bar. It seems the 2 bar isn't reading anything but 1.35. when the 2 bar is plugged in im having huge idle problems and continuous idle surge from 500-800 rpms. when the 2 bar is unplugged it idles fine because it seems the computer is guessing that i should be around .85.

why is the 2 bar staying continuous at 1.35??? is the 2 bar broken? is there a way to manipulate it?

note that this is not under boost. I'm trying to tune it to make it drivable so i can get the dp made. i changed the settings for the injectors and am just trying to get the map to work.

i guess another thing i'm asking is, should a 2 bar be any different than a 1 bar in a stock setup. let's say i just swapped the map sensors on a stock car, would anything change? and if so how do i compensate for those changes?

This post has been edited by Etak28: Dec 2, 2008 - 9:04 PM

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6strngs

#85

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QUOTE (Etak28 @ Dec 2, 2008 - 3:58 PM)

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QUOTE (6strngs @ Dec 2, 2008 - 2:42 AM)

>these aren't the finished pics are they? I still see you need an intake, wastegate, downpipe, and oil filter relocation.

the oil lines look great though. and it's good to see my turbo will be put to good use . you have the top part of that T-fitting for the oil feed line blocked off, right?

no they're not the finished pics. everything is done that u just asked about cept the wg and dp.


i'm having a problem tho, possibly with the 2 bar. It seems the 2 bar isn't reading anything but 1.35. when the 2 bar is plugged in im having huge idle problems and continuous idle surge from 500-800 rpms. when the 2 bar is unplugged it idles fine because it seems the computer is guessing that i should be around .85.

why is the 2 bar staying continuous at 1.35??? is the 2 bar broken? is there a way to manipulate it?

note that this is not under boost. I'm trying to tune it to make it drivable so i can get the dp made. i changed the settings for the injectors and am just trying to get the map to work.

i guess another thing i'm asking is, should a 2 bar be any different than a 1 bar in a stock setup. let's say i just swapped the map sensors on a stock car, would anything change? and if so how do i compensate for those changes?

sounds like the MAP sensor might be broken. though you say if you unplug it alltogether, the car runs better? that'd odd because if I ever unpluged mine, the car would not run right at all. it would start, barely, and die after a second or two. The difference is, your car is OBDII, so the computer probably substitutes an approximate value if it becomes unplugged.

as for using a 1-bar, it'll work fine for anything up to 0 PSI... in other words, normal running when your manifold is under vacuum, it's fine. but any sort of pressure (boost) and the car will run like crap cause the sensor can't sense boost because it only goes up to 1 bar, on an absolute scale... where 1 bar simply means just atmospheric pressure of 14.7 PSI, which we usually consider 0 PSI and pressures less than atmospheric to be vacuum.

anyway, what are you using to tune?

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Etak28

#86

well that sucks. im using emanage blue to tune.

and yea that is what was happening. when the 2 bar was plugged in it was at constant 1.35 but when i unplugged it the car idled great at a guessed value.


This post has been edited by Etak28: Dec 3, 2008 - 2:56 PM

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RUNNIN-LOW

#87

ok the map sensor isnt broken i was runing it in my car before i sent it out. it was working fine..so your sayin when you have the both map sensor off the car idles fine?? that is weird cause all of our cars just die right away or it idles for a min or two then dies??? so the car idles kinda hard huh have u tried and boost the baby at all or drivin the car??

Etak28

#88

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QUOTE (RUNNIN-LOW @ Dec 3, 2008 - 4:12 PM)

>ok the map sensor isnt broken i was runing it in my car before i sent it out. it was working fine..so your sayin when you have the both map sensor off the car idles fine?? that is weird cause all of our cars just die right away or it idles for a min or two then dies??? so the car idles kinda hard huh have u tried and boost the baby at all or drivin the car??

when the map sensor is in, it's like it doesn't read anything, it just stays at a constant value. im not boosting yet just trying to get the car drivable to go to a shop quick. my car seems to guess the value when it's unplugged, but when the map is plugged in idle surge and everything about idle is horrible.

if its not the map sensor, what is wrong???

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bccentaur3

#89

Hey, John runninglow my buddy called me and told me about this. I really don't believe its your map. I think it would be because you don't have your downpipe connected. With the DP not connected that means your O2 isn't in. When the o2 sensor isn't in, your ecu isn't reading right. If you had a wideband you'll see that your afrs will bounce up and down.

But you don't have a wideband to read afrs because your dp isn't in nor is your o2.

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Muggs

#90

Have you installed larger injectors yet? My car would barely idle with the 2 bar MAP and stock injectors, but when I installed the 460s it improved dramatically.