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>>5/24/11 this thread was edited, with updated pics and added extra information for those beams swappers!!!!

anything you see in red, its very important to pay notice to, it will save you money in the long run...


Also this is not the bible of the Beams swap, others have attempted this swap and have good experience with it. No this swap is not going to give you 600 hp >
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GOOD LUCK!!!


Ok, before anyone asks, it wont go in until December, how much i paid, plenty bucks...

I will keep my fingers crossed until then, cuz i wont have warranty, but its supposed to be low mileage engine between 20 - 35 k miles. Seller forgot to ship the ecu, but will ship it on monday..

i have a question for Turnip and 2bcelica batman or rusty. I have a couple of cables that need ID

With any swap make sure you are getting what you are buying, ask for pictures to the seller, you dont understand how important this is because, you will be misled into buying crap!!!!





>>that little thing you see there is the vvti sensor, this is the most common broken sensor and its expensive, about 300 usd...>>





>>See how clean the engine looks from inside, this attests to the low mileage claim, well most of the time>>



>>Another big issue, as this is missing the OEM box and the MAF, two items very important to keep the air flow regulated.>>



>>This next picture and the previous one, shows something important, the Bpipe, your swap must have one, or make it from scratch, good thing to also get the axles, you see, mine were cut, although you can use the 5sfe axles, the beams axles are beefier. >>










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The OEM fuse box, very important because you want that EA1 plug intact!!!
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>>And please, the most important, GET THE ECU, they forgot to send mine.>>




the first one, is this cable located at the exit of the TPS sensor i asume, its three cables black red and white.



on the harness this one is located here kind of goes to the back, dunno


the other one, is another cable that goes parallel to the AFM sensor, its cut so dont know what it is, it looks like another set of 3 cables... this one goes to the front...




of course cut under the fuse bay harness, but i assume this are for foglights and headlights.



Unknown sensor, but i have a plug that fits, and is not one of the any ones that have been cut. located on the intake, so must be some sort of vacuum sensor



an extra vvti solenoid, cuz the original is broken.... hope its not a pain to replace this bastard...



I got the B pipe, but the flex section, is very flexy, as i remember my 5sfe one was a little stiffy. so i dunno.

All you beams swappers are welcome to put your input...

This post has been edited by njccmd2002: May 26, 2011 - 2:22 AM

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nice... that will be a nice swap! hope it goes well. what is the warranty like? from whom did you purchase?

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First 3S-GE BEAMS vert ever? Can't wait for the swap.

'97 ST\ Eibach \ KYB \ Kenwood \ Alpine \ Cusco \ OEM+[sold 10/18]'93 MX-5LE
outsider has the vert.

Japanese star motors

i aint the first..

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that was very kind of you to send me a message. congrates I knew you'd pick this engine. nice to see people going for something different than the typical 3S-GTE swap.
Wheres your AFM did you get one??

I dont know if it'll help or confuse you even more but I have the 3S-GE (3gen) wiring diagram if you want it. (PM me your email) maybe useful for the headlights etc since the gen3 3sge is 4 wires for the TPS.

I know a couple of SS-III BEAMS owners which I can get into contact if you require some help.


so whats the plan??? figure everthing out now wiring etc, then maintance cambelt etc then ready for december swap.

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I just spent 20 minutes looking all around mine and the wires that you show cut in the small wire loom I do not believe to be part of the stock harness. Every wire on my harness was in the main bundle and there was no separate wires in loom running parallel to the main harness. Plus I looked around everywhere for that those wire colors together and could not find them going to any plug.

Hope that helps.
thanks guys, unless its some kind of alarm system, have no clue, perhaps looking at the wiring diagram will help. oh well, right now it will collect dust.

Ill take beter pics and ask in the beams forums later on the week

i guess i will be the first vert, since outsider is a hatch, however there are some 5th gen verts running around

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awesome! can't wait to see the swap!

*1997 Celica ST - 3SGE Greytop BEAMS*1977 Celica RA29 - Classic Cruiser*2005 Matrix AWD - dedded but still hanging around like a ghost2019 Rav4 XLE Premium - Sports mode is fun.
Nice Noberto !

that loom with the 3 wires is not stock, just lose it. That vsv should just plug into the harness over there, look for a matching plug.

if you have any questions about wiring, let me know.

my st205 swapandour Beams swap
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QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Sep 18, 2009 - 8:42 AM) *
>thanks guys, unless its some kind of alarm system, have no clue, perhaps looking at the wiring diagram will help. oh well, right now it will collect dust.

Ill take beter pics and ask in the beams forums later on the week

i guess i will be the first vert, since outsider is a hatch, however there are some 5th gen verts running around


Peel back that loom and lets take a look at the wire a little closer. Lets find out that the previous owner had the night pager electronic blow-off valve speaker setup on his ride. LOL

This post has been edited by turnip: Sep 18, 2009 - 9:11 AM
lol, i went back and your guys are right, i lost those two wires, they are nothing. haha,guess i was too exited yesterday


so far all seems complete until i get the ecu.

now the litlle vacuum hose on the intake, i could not find the place to plug it.

and what about the b-pipe, it does not seem as sturdy as my sfe one, seems like it could be broken


I am already looking at getting another car while this is in the works thats why i cant do it until december. I cant be walking...

or at least until i can save some money so i can rent a car for a week....

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Beaaaaaammmmsss! thumbsup.gif

◊◊◊My F/S Thread!◊◊◊QUOTE(14:19:21) Daniel: That was a JDM hole in the side of the box too. There was so much JDM trapped inside that box that they couldn't contain it, so they had to put a JDM hole in the box to let the JDM out.QUOTEFerdi says (11:29)No, it looks like a hooker put her acid vag on your hood. Acid vag = bigger problem than a few dings.
The engine looks cherry thumbsup.gif

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Nice.
Good luck with the swap, it's a fun experience. If you need anything, feel free to Pm me.

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hmm very nice. i wasnt sure which one you were going to get, im sure there are much more redtops out there than trying to find v6 from a camry.

this one isnt automatic is it? i think i remembering you posting up on the beams-redtop forums saying you were going to get an automatic one. I do see shift cables, but i dont kow the difference between automatic and manual shift cables. eh sucks your warranty will run out, Hope everything runs smoothly with install!!

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no, this is a manual with lsd, around february i will buy an automatic, cuz they are cheap, sell off the parts and keep the block as a replacement..

yeah, crazy, but its not easy to get parts for these anyways, i could always swap the engine while i fix....

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Wait, you actually want an automatic?

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nah, i want to buy an auto engine for spare parts. I love manuals!!

Ill keep my s54 and the auto engine block for a rainy day, the rest will be sold for parts!

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QUOTE (njccmd2002 @ Sep 19, 2009 - 1:12 AM) *
>nah, i want to buy an auto engine for spare parts. I love manuals!!

Ill keep my s54 and the auto engine block for a rainy day, the rest will be sold for parts!

just FYI, there is no such thing as an "auto engine"
its the tranny that is auto or manual.
the only thing that changes on the engine between auto or manual is that a manual tranny uses a flywheel bolted to the motor, an auto uses a flex plate and torque converter.

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yeah what i meant by auto engine is "it comes with all the auto accessories", but the engine block pretty much standard.

I should have said an auto swap. But that will be when i have this engine bolted down.

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I was gonna say, I'd have to kill if this was bolted to an automatic.

However, that raises a question for me...were any JDM Celicas ever automatic? I would think there would be a lot less demand for automatics in the rest of the world compared to America.

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yes. The beams came as an auto too.

my st205 swapandour Beams swap
I kind of answered my own question, since Vince did a manual swap on his vert.

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my ecu finally came, finally. Is there a way to test ECU, i hate to not know if it works.

however, one big problem

The vvti sensor they sent me is not the right one, it came from a blacktop altezza engine, and have no use for it,

but my seller will send me one, so he says!!!

some pics, you can tell the difference...


from altezza



comparing both, the one with the broken plug is the original beams readtop.








Clearly see the difference, and will not work.

This post has been edited by njccmd2002: May 26, 2011 - 12:50 AM

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what engine is it down to the T?

I still own my celica, but i'm parting it out and junking it.. Or selling as a whole. Have a honda prelude now :(
^^^ huh? what do you mean?

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as in make sure it works??

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well, no really updates but i have been looking around the previous posts from turnip and 2bcelica and help from Batman, it seems the swap is easier than most other swaps.

This will be the slowest swap ever, its being done by me. Since its a low miles engine, i will swap first and then change the pumps and belts and stuff couple of miles down the road. first i got to make sure it runs.

I am a learner with pictures, so i will post every pic that i get so that everyone benefits, this swap is a good alternative to a turbo and looks close like OEM, as well.

I will start backwards, start with the wiring first and im tempted to run the amp wire through the firewall, might as well since ill have it all naked. I will change all the wiring loom, so i will have chance to do this....

here is what i learned today..


so far if im not wrong here are few of the steps right?

again the credits go to my friends, this is nothing i invented

extend the maf wires

on EA1

bridge together pins 4 and 17
bridge together pins 2 and 12 (not confirmed)

move white plug (pin #18) to dark grey plug into (pin # 17)

For Cruise dark grey interior harness (pin #10) tap into blue/white stripe wire from the ECU

For SRS run a wire from EA1 through the engine harness (or body) to the light grey interior plug (pin #5)

this is basically, i have seen the wiring diagrams and seems ok. guess its almost plug and play...

the ignitor (now i know what it is) on this pic dissapear, so less weight



the fuel filter right?




the charcoal canister, LOL i finally found it



and the famous EA1 plug so that everybody knows.




another view, this is where i would tap in to run the srs wire.



i will post more things as i go understanding.

This post has been edited by njccmd2002: May 26, 2011 - 12:19 AM

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yay !

unplug EA1 from the top pf the fuse/relay box (white wires) and plug into yours.

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^^^ I am making progress biggrin.gif , as soon as i get 6strings harness i will work on this one

BTW sent you a pm

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