BonzaiCelica

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QUOTE (eldrewado @ Apr 12, 2012 - 1:02 AM)

>wow so much information to absorb
i have a 5sfe 99 gt. im trying to determine whether or not the stock header is be better for cruising or fast takeoffs or is it a middle ground or does it just suck. i want to replace my first cat with a new one possibly hi flow but get rid of the second since the computer doesn't know its there anyway. if i do get an aftermarket header, do they all delete the first cat? im also trying to shed a little weight. im hoping that an aftermarket header will weigh significantly less than the stock cast iron one. any input on that? who has dyno charts to prove gains with their header?

the header design thats sold on ebay for the 5sfe isn't the greatest. It abruptly goes from 4 to 1 in a matter of 6-8 inches. It needs to be a gradual design. So not very much hp with that header, but better than oem for sure.

on another note, take a look at this 1996 ITR bpipe setup. Better and smoother flowing than the 3sge beams motor:



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richee3

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Alright, I need everyone's advice. I know literally nothing about aftermarket exhausts in terms of which are the freest flowing, loudest, etc. I've been running the factory 2" GT exhaust with my BEAMS for nearly a year now, with the exhaust reduced right after the B pipe. It's time to upgrade. I'm still deciding between the stock 2.25" exhaust for the BEAMS or going with 2.5". My main focus isn't power, it's volume. I want this to be as quiet as possible. I'm currently looking at a Magnaflow high flow cat and a Vibrant Performance ultra quiet resonator ( http://vibrantperformance.com/catalog/inde...=1022_1033_1055 ) with either a Flowmaster 40 series or a Vibrant Performance flat black Streetpower muffler ( http://vibrantperformance.com/catalog/inde...=1022_1031_1109 ). Any insight as to which I would be better off with? Once again, my primary goal is as quiet as possible. bloodMoney has advised me to get a second resonator installed if I still want it quieter.

This post has been edited by richee3: May 19, 2012 - 2:41 PM

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BonzaiCelica

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great choice for the vibrant resonator, and any magnaflow or flowmaster oem canister style muffler will be suffice enough. If you decide to fit the high flow catalytic converter it won't be loud. It'd just be a waste of money putting on two resonator.

Well assuming most exhaust shops do crush bent piping. You can get 2.25 inch (oem piping) over the rear subframe.

what do you mean volume??!

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richee3

#394

I like my car quiet Anything louder than stock is too loud, which is why I kept the GT 2" system in the first place. I believe this is far too restrictive and causing some minor issues with the BEAMS, so I need something larger but I'd like it to be as quiet as possible.

Oh, and my local exhaust shop does mandrel bending

This post has been edited by richee3: May 21, 2012 - 9:49 AM

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jimmykay

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Richee, Actually, I have pretty much the exhaust that you're looking at.

ebay 5sfe header, 2.5" pipe, magnaflow hi-flow cat, Vibrant ultra-quiet resonator, and magnaflow muffler.

Its not quiet, louder than stock for sure, but sounds good. However, lately I think I may have torn my flex pipe or something because its gotten relatively loud up front.

I've been thinking about putting my stock header back on in preparation for selling/trading the car so that I could then sell the header and my short ram intake to someone here for cheap.

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RabidTRD

#396

I've got a Tanabe Medallion G-Power JASMA header and a 2.25" exhaust that goes into a Vibrant Performance ultra-quiet resonator and Vibrant Performance straight through muffler. Working on getting the down pipe made because the headers angle funny at the flange at the bottom. (They're designed for the 2.0 3S-GE motor originally, but fit perfect on the 5S-FE [btw all the S motors have the same specs for exhaust header mounts] and give added tube length for longer draw and higher performance.)

My co-worker is going to help me re-route it under the axle. Idc about mandrel bent exhaust because the exhaust isn't hitting the inside wall of the pipe... the whole idea of Mandrel bending isn't that special. It's like the idea of intakes making a huge difference. You wont feel a difference. The only thing I can see that mandrel bending is good for is keeping rust away from the folds/nooks in the exhaust. I may still buy a mandrel bent section of pipe though, simply because it looks clean and nice haha. It's going to get painted in ceramic exhaust paint anyway.

This post has been edited by RabidTRD: May 25, 2012 - 12:08 AM

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richee3

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QUOTE (jimmykay @ May 24, 2012 - 10:59 AM)

>Richee, Actually, I have pretty much the exhaust that you're looking at.

ebay 5sfe header, 2.5" pipe, magnaflow hi-flow cat, Vibrant ultra-quiet resonator, and magnaflow muffler.

Its not quiet, louder than stock for sure, but sounds good. However, lately I think I may have torn my flex pipe or something because its gotten relatively loud up front.

I've been thinking about putting my stock header back on in preparation for selling/trading the car so that I could then sell the header and my short ram intake to someone here for cheap.

Hmm... I was hoping to hear a little better than that. I've accepted that my setup will be louder than stock but I'm hoping it will only be marginally louder. I've heard bloodMoney's Flowmaster 40 series and it's pretty quiet, but it's still on stock piping. Why are you selling the car?



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QUOTE (RabidTRD @ May 25, 2012 - 12:05 AM)

>[btw all the S motors have the same specs for exhaust header mounts]

I'm going to have to respectfully disagree BEAMS headers are not interchangeable with any other engine. They have to be as difficult as possible in every way they can


Would both of you guys say that the Ultra Quiet resonator is a good investment?

This post has been edited by richee3: May 26, 2012 - 1:39 PM

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BonzaiCelica

#398

yea vibrant or magnaflow 14 inch resonator either or!!!

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xxgetbackupxx

#399

So...after reading all of this,I have a7afe and I'm going to buy headers off of Ebay, and go with 2.50 piping magnaflow cat, and possibly dynomax muffler. I'm looking not get become a bumble bee, there are enough of those in fl. Any recommendations on if this would sound good? Looking for a deep tone. Had dynomax before and loved the sound on both corollas I used to have. Also what size cat cause when I look to do buy there are so many different lengths or does it matter how long u need it?

Syaoran

#400

I know it's all subjective but I find dynomax mufflers loud and tinny.

Borlas are deep and loud.

Magnaflow are deep and low, not loud... I love Magnaflow mufflers, especially their stock-looking oval ones.

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jimmykay

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QUOTE (richee3 @ May 26, 2012 - 1:35 PM)

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QUOTE (jimmykay @ May 24, 2012 - 10:59 AM)

>Richee, Actually, I have pretty much the exhaust that you're looking at.

ebay 5sfe header, 2.5" pipe, magnaflow hi-flow cat, Vibrant ultra-quiet resonator, and magnaflow muffler.

Its not quiet, louder than stock for sure, but sounds good. However, lately I think I may have torn my flex pipe or something because its gotten relatively loud up front.

I've been thinking about putting my stock header back on in preparation for selling/trading the car so that I could then sell the header and my short ram intake to someone here for cheap.

Hmm... I was hoping to hear a little better than that. I've accepted that my setup will be louder than stock but I'm hoping it will only be marginally louder. I've heard bloodMoney's Flowmaster 40 series and it's pretty quiet, but it's still on stock piping. Why are you selling the car?

I'm selling it because I need a functional back seat. Getting 2 car seats back there is tight. Plus she's just starting to feel tired and big ticket maintenance costs (timing belt + shocks + etc.) are going to quickly go above the value of the car.

I'm sure it would be quieter without the header on (adding back in the additional cat), but some of the volume may just come from the larger pipe diameter that I am running. if i had the same setup with 2.25" or 2", it may be quieter.

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Temporary-Failur...

#402

I received my ST202 from shop. I have 2.5" pipe, Catco cat and two custom made mufflers. I told to the company which made exhaust system that I want quite silence and low sound. They managed to make system which is perfect for my ears: Sounds
I have C-one replica rear skirt which is for ST205. Exhaust tip is meant to be used in Audi A4

richee3

#403

Finally got mine on. 2.5" Magnaflow cat, Vibrant Ultra Quiet Resonator, and Vibrant Street Power flat black muffler. It's all filthy in the pictures, but meh. Given where I drive the car, it's literally not worth my time to clean.





Couple of quick videos, taking it easy on the car. Using a crappy point and shoot so it didn't quite capture how deep the sound actually is, but I'm too lazy to go try again.

http://s228.photobucket.com/albums/ee257/r...ent=file-20.mp4
http://s228.photobucket.com/albums/ee257/r...ent=file-21.mp4

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RabidTRD

#404

Manifold back 2.25 piping through a Vibrant Performance Ultra Quiet (MSRP: $107.95) resonator to the Vibrant Performance TPV Universal Muffler w/ 4" Round Angle Cut Tip (2.5" inlet - 23" long)(MSRP: $176.95)









http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Gu3jy2E9eQ...mp;feature=plcp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VA9HBiZAMg...;feature=relmfu

This post has been edited by RabidTRD: Oct 17, 2012 - 12:15 PM

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BonzaiCelica

#405

are you sure its not going to get crushed richee. I was wondering how you were able to route the exhaust piping through with little angles. I feel as if your control arms are eventually going to damage the exhaust.

nice work rabidtrd. still looks weird. I was considering getting that vibrant race series muffler. Its cheap and sounds good. Just not content with the size. The canister looks like the hks hi power muffler. I plan on getting the apexi n1 muffler 60mm inlet and 90mm tip.

btw rabid put your exhaust information here on your post(even though its on youtube description)...

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richee3

#406

I actually have several inches of room. The camera angle is misleading and makes it appear as though my exhaust is nearly touching the control arms. The exhaust is much closer to the chassis than the control arms. I'll try to grab a couple of better pictures later.

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RabidTRD

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QUOTE (BonzaiCelica @ Oct 17, 2012 - 2:32 AM)

>are you sure its not going to get crushed richee. I was wondering how you were able to route the exhaust piping through with little angles. I feel as if your control arms are eventually going to damage the exhaust.

nice work rabidtrd. still looks weird. I was considering getting that vibrant race series muffler. Its cheap and sounds good. Just not content with the size. The canister looks like the hks hi power muffler. I plan on getting the apexi n1 muffler 60mm inlet and 90mm tip.

btw rabid put your exhaust information here on your post(even though its on youtube description)...

Lol I actually kind of like how it looks. At first, I was like... ehhh... but it's grown on me. It's awesome because when I drive by high walls entering the highway, it bounces sound right off the wall back to me. It's also fun because it's aimed at pedestrians.

I updated it with size specs, and MSRP

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Antz5SFE

#408

$700 for a stainless steel mandrel bent header back too much? have a muffler & cat. & the header is already installed on the car. anyone know any good exhaust shops around philly that are cheaper?

BonzaiCelica

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QUOTE (Antz5SFE @ Jan 14, 2013 - 12:42 PM)

>$700 for a stainless steel mandrel bent header back too much? have a muffler & cat. & the header is already installed on the car. anyone know any good exhaust shops around philly that are cheaper?

for a 5sfe or 7afe?? so you have a 5sfe ebay header and they want to charge you 700 for a b-pipe to muffler piping only?????? thats a lot. look online for the cost of materials and you'll get an idea of pricing. mandrel bend is more but that much is a bit high i'd say.

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fl0ss

#410

>>>>BUMP>>>>

Hope im not late to the party.

I'm looking at upgrading my exhaust and found a header on ebay http://www.ebay.com/itm/M2-PERFORMANCE-TOY...234&vxp=mtr

looks decent enough, but i got to looking at my exhaust...

Manifold-->Flex pipe-->cat-->small muffler(resonator?)-->muffler

I am wondering how critical having that flex pipe is and if not having one will have a negative impact on a new exhaust?

Also anyone have a M2 header? Any good or no?

Tigawoods

#411

this will probably happen to your header if you dont have a flex pipe

This was my old M2 header. I got a new one. Its not the greatest but there really arent any other options for our cars


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fl0ss

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QUOTE (Tigawoods @ May 18, 2013 - 7:50 PM)

>this will probably happen to your header if you dont have a flex pipe

This was my old M2 header. I got a new one. Its not the greatest but there really arent any other options for our cars

Noted. Appreciate the response.

Syaoran

#413

The celica has so much space for exhaust components on the bottom that I'm dumbfounded that nobody who complains about loudness has ever thought of putting 2 long resonators in there and a muffler at the end.

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Tigawoods

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QUOTE (Syaoran @ May 19, 2013 - 12:33 AM)

>The celica has so much space for exhaust components on the bottom that I'm dumbfounded that nobody who complains about loudness has ever thought of putting 2 long resonators in there and a muffler at the end.

Agreed.

to add to that I forgot I had an pic of the new setup.
so much space for another resonator




This post has been edited by Tigawoods: May 19, 2013 - 12:40 AM

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ILoveMySilly97

#415

Exhaust seems to be my next project. Since I'm currently done with my body stuff.

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ricochet1490

#416

I was scared to go under the sub frame for ground clearance reasons.... Ever hit the pipe yet?

Syaoran

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QUOTE (Tigawoods @ May 19, 2013 - 1:40 AM)

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QUOTE (Syaoran @ May 19, 2013 - 12:33 AM)

>The celica has so much space for exhaust components on the bottom that I'm dumbfounded that nobody who complains about loudness has ever thought of putting 2 long resonators in there and a muffler at the end.

Agreed.

to add to that I forgot I had an pic of the new setup.
so much space for another resonator

There's so much space that I'm sure you could fit a bottle style vibrant resonator after the ultra quiet there. Thanks for the pic, it precisely shows what I mean

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Tigawoods

#418

yeah there arent many full underside shots around of our cars. I am, going to try and get a better shot when I go align the car

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QUOTE (ricochet1490 @ May 19, 2013 - 10:22 AM)

>I was scared to go under the sub frame for ground clearance reasons.... Ever hit the pipe yet?

not yet. the old setup sagged a little bit and that one did hit sometimes.
There is about 8 inches of clearance

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RabidTRD

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QUOTE (Tigawoods @ May 19, 2013 - 6:10 PM)

>yeah there arent many full underside shots around of our cars. I am, going to try and get a better shot when I go align the car

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QUOTE (ricochet1490 @ May 19, 2013 - 10:22 AM)

>I was scared to go under the sub frame for ground clearance reasons.... Ever hit the pipe yet?

not yet. the old setup sagged a little bit and that one did hit sometimes.
There is about 8 inches of clearance

You sit a lot higher than I do. My frame at that point only sits about 8" or less. Pipe is 2.25+/- off the ground and scrapes going out of angled driveways.

Thinking about tucking mine some more, but would rather pay someone. I hate doing exhaust work... mainly because today, I put an exhaust on a Subaru Legacy Outback and it reminded me how much it sucks lol. Nothing like being on your back for hours holding up heavy pipes and trying to tighten bolts.

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rentaspace

#420

My setup is 2.25" piping from the cat back. Not sure what the resonator brand is, but the tip was just the 'stock' one for Kirawee Mufflers.
If anyone has watched Mighty Car Mods that's where they went for the Volkswagen Polo episode

For me, the tip made all the difference, my friend got the exact same setup on his car, but got a single to dual pipe tip, and his sounds a lot higher pitched then mine. At idle mine sounds like its purring and when I accelerate it's not over-the-top loud, but its not quite either.





The whole setup cost me $250 for the piping, muffler/resonator (not sure which it is; I would assume resonator) and the labor to install it.

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